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NexusCell

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Nov 2, 2017
855
The way I see it, with the anime market growing, the anime waifu trash "niche" will grow with it. But make no mistake, they are cutting a lot of the market with their decisions. The problem is that they don't care. SNK can make SNK HEROINES Tag Team Frenzy! the most waifu trash game in history, sell 200.000 copies, and call it one of their biggest successes.
I mean, the question becomes if "cutting their market" is actually a problem. SNK Heroines is a trashy game that I'm pretty sure SNK themselves didn't expect to sell millions of copies. If SNK heroines can sell 300,000 units (which is much higher then I expected) and satisfy SNK with its profit then there is literally no reason to care about people who would refuse to buy the game due to its sexualization. They have an audience, they can make profit off catering to that audience, and there doesn't seem to be any indication said audience is actually shrinking. Who cares if the vast majority of Resetera would refuse to by their game if the anime following scene is willing to shell out for trashy shit?
 

crienne

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Oct 25, 2017
5,242
Steam filters kind of suck sometimes, apparently. Viewed the Halloween sale page today and got this right at the top despite my filters being set up to filter AO content by default.

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Roliq

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Sep 23, 2018
6,225
WTF, that is so on your face that if you told anyone they wouldn't believe you until the see it
 
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FashionRobota

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Sep 16, 2021
78
Steam filters kind of suck sometimes, apparently. Viewed the Halloween sale page today and got this right at the top despite my filters being set up to filter AO content by default.

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One thing I noticed over the years its that steam became really REALLY lenient with porn games, at least twice a week i can scroll down on new releases and see a new one of those. And they arent afraid to show then when they go on promotions
 

Isilia

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Mar 11, 2019
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It's not even a good sale.

It's definitely not a good game.

Why

I figure there has to be millions of better ways to get that kind of porn nowadays.
 

NexusCell

Member
Nov 2, 2017
855
One thing I noticed over the years its that steam became really REALLY lenient with porn games, at least twice a week i can scroll down on new releases and see a new one of those. And they arent afraid to show then when they go on promotions
The market for porn games is actually pretty huge. I didn't realize it until watching this video, but adult erotic content makes up the top percentage of Patreon earners.
 

FashionRobota

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Sep 16, 2021
78
The market for porn games is actually pretty huge. I didn't realize it until watching this video, but adult erotic content makes up the top percentage of Patreon earners.

Theres a "meme" on furrys communitys that I seen that the easier way to make a living on digital art is to become a NSFW artist, and when you look at it some of those people making porn are making really good money on patron
 

GrandeRampel

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Jul 22, 2020
209
Bari, Italy
And notice how every non-sexualized woman and heavy, old, weird, ugly character from KOF14 has been cut (minus Antonov). No Choi, Chang, Xanadu, Goro Daimon, Tung Fu Rue, Chin, Gang Il, Yamazaki, Oswald, Sylvie Paula Paula, Mian, Najd, Nakoruru. Also no black males, so no Nelson or Bandeiras, and no pre-14 chars like Seth, Duck King, Lucky Glauber or Heavy D.

SNK are desperately trying to make KOF15 a success, and are sanding off near every possible edge in the effort, in order to make 15's bum as smooth and shiny as possible. (Not that black chars are "edges". Don't get me wrong. But they're usually lower on the popularity rung, esp. in Japan)

But... Chris and his band are right there? So there are characters who didn't appear in 14 already.
 

Dary

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Oct 27, 2017
8,427
The English Wilderness
One thing I noticed over the years its that steam became really REALLY lenient with porn games, at least twice a week i can scroll down on new releases and see a new one of those. And they arent afraid to show then when they go on promotions
Not just Steam: Humble Bundle and GOG have been pushing them of late, too. HB even had an actual charity bundle a couple of months back...
 

Sesha

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, black chars. I was specifically talking about characters that fit into a certain mold being largely excised and ignored (regardless of whether or not it's coicidental, since the end result is the same).
 

Vonocourt

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Oct 25, 2017
10,640
Not to dreg up a well-worn topic, but I started a new game on Persona 5 Royal (only got past the third dungeon when quarantine started), and I just saw the animated FMV where the MC pulls the bald guy away from the women the bald guy harasses, and there's a super creepy way they frame the woman victim's cleavage during this intense scene that you're supposed to feel uncomfortable about.

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I know all the questionable stuff around Ann and Kawakami, but I was kind of surprised they couldn't even let this one short sequence go without some titillation.
 

ratify

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Feb 18, 2021
248
SE is having a stream on Nov. 4 promoting Triangle Strategy by way of a vtuber. Here is a blurb from the announcement, "Female VTuber group "Holo Live" talent "Shirogin Noel" will appear as a guest on the official live broadcast of the tactics RPG game Triangle Strategy."

It's such an odd choice of promotion since the two styles are so wildly different. It's laughably bad. Like someone within SE was salty about not getting more sexy ladies into this game and came up with this plan as revenge or something. Is this a normal thing? It seems like a desperation move for attention but I don't follow vtubers or whatever hololive is so maybe I'm just ignorant.
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FashionRobota

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Sep 16, 2021
78
SE is having a stream on Nov. 4 promoting Triangle Strategy by way of a vtuber. Here is a blurb from the announcement, "Female VTuber group "Holo Live" talent "Shirogin Noel" will appear as a guest on the official live broadcast of the tactics RPG game Triangle Strategy."

It's such an odd choice of promotion since the two styles are so wildly different. It's laughably bad. Like someone within SE was salty about not getting more sexy ladies into this game and came up with this plan as revenge or something. Is this a normal thing? It seems like a desperation move for attention but I don't follow vtubers or whatever hololive is so maybe I'm just ignorant.
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In this case is more of a markthing thing, Hololive is pretty big in the Vtuber scene, specially in japan where they are THE vtuber talent company, and shirogane has more then 1 million subs on youtube. They have done this kinda of thing before, Kiara (a Hololive english vtuber) was the ambassador of the tales of series during the lunch period of tales of arise and some hololive vtubers were grated early acess to guity gear along with some streams
 

GrandeRampel

Member
Jul 22, 2020
209
Bari, Italy
SE is having a stream on Nov. 4 promoting Triangle Strategy by way of a vtuber. Here is a blurb from the announcement, "Female VTuber group "Holo Live" talent "Shirogin Noel" will appear as a guest on the official live broadcast of the tactics RPG game Triangle Strategy."

It's such an odd choice of promotion since the two styles are so wildly different. It's laughably bad. Like someone within SE was salty about not getting more sexy ladies into this game and came up with this plan as revenge or something. Is this a normal thing? It seems like a desperation move for attention but I don't follow vtubers or whatever hololive is so maybe I'm just ignorant.
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The bolded part is a very wrong, even if you are clearly making a joke. Truth is Vtubers are becoming more and more popular over time and collabs with them should be seen in a similar way as collabs with influencers. It has nothing to do with how revealing her avatar is (if they wanted to promote this game with scantily dressed characters, nothing was stopping them) and everything to do with Noel being very beloved and a pretty good choice for the promotion as her "character" is supposed to be a fantasy knight.

But I could see how someone who doesn't follow her and doesn't know she streams videogames could find the collab random and dumb. I'm not a big expert on Hololive or anything, it just so happens that Noel is from the 3rd generation, the only one that I actively follow. I'm actually really happy for her and hope she gets to do more collaborations and even more prestigious events in the future.

I speak from limited knowledge, and for all I know there are plenty of problematic talents in Hololive, but Noel and the others from gen 3 are all very sweet, funny and hardworking.
I absolutely reccomend them over almost any streamer I know of. Language barrier be damned, the sheer passion of their content can break it.

(LMAO, they should hire me or something. This turned into a commercial. It took having to write down a defense/explanation to realize how big of a fan I actually am. But seriously, as cringe as the praise may sound I 100% vouch for the quality of her content. Might not be for everyone, but there are worse names they could have attached their game to. Noel is good civilization)
 

Scrappy-Fan92

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Jan 14, 2021
8,954
Yeah, I'm not sure how comfortable I feel with dragging influencers, even virtual ones, for collaborating with companies.

And notice how every non-sexualized woman and heavy, old, weird, ugly character from KOF14 has been cut (minus Antonov). No Choi, Chang, Xanadu, Goro Daimon, Tung Fu Rue, Chin, Gang Il, Yamazaki, Oswald, Sylvie Paula Paula, Mian, Najd, Nakoruru. Also no black males, so no Nelson or Bandeiras, and no pre-14 chars like Seth, Duck King, Lucky Glauber or Heavy D.

SNK are desperately trying to make KOF15 a success, and are sanding off near every possible edge in the effort, in order to make 15's bum as smooth and shiny as possible. (Not that black chars are "edges". Don't get me wrong. But they're usually lower on the popularity rung, esp. in Japan)
I understand your worries (and they may very well be well-founded), but we should maybe wait a bit longer to see the rest of the base roster revealed before making any definitive statements. Unless there's a verifiable leak that's revealed everyone (and I'd prefer to not see it). I certainly hope SNK isn't trying to "sand down" anything beyond numbers since we're getting a hacksaw taken to KOFXIV's roster in exchange for rollback netcode I guess.

...Please let me not have to eat crow on this post in several months' time.
 

Larrikin

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Oct 25, 2017
2,750
I remember seeing an image from a game developer saying something like "Players say they want more female characters in games, but then there are also complaints about the sexualisation of them. Seems a bit hypocritical" but I can't find it anywhere. Trying to show a friend, does anyone have it handy?
 

Atom

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Jul 25, 2021
11,615
I remember seeing an image from a game developer saying something like "Players say they want more female characters in games, but then there are also complaints about the sexualisation of them. Seems a bit hypocritical" but I can't find it anywhere. Trying to show a friend, does anyone have it handy?

Yeah it's from a FFXV stream about Cindy. Idk if it was Tabata or the other person on the stream tho. Lemme see if I can find it.

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final fantasy type-0 has the perviest and creepiest side quests in the series

so I'm playing through FF type-0 for the first time. it's okay. kind of bad in many ways, but fighting with each of the 14 characters with their own unique fighting style is kind of fun. but wow, this game is pervy and creepy as hell so there's this lady. she's, let's say, rather voluptuous...

Its here. I hope tabata is doing better things now, especially with his discussion about the importance of inclusivity in games and dev, and the recent Paralympics game.

Edit: Doesn't look like Tabata said that quote at least.
 

crienne

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Oct 25, 2017
5,242
Customization is pretty good in Lost Ark, but there's no body sliders so you end up with scoliosis or something.

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Dice

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Oct 25, 2017
22,661
Canada
Elden Ring's Melina looks...normal. 😭 👍

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She's so pretty

Also so this floating around the web and all I could think is Steven Universe
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RecLib

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Oct 27, 2017
4,365
Elden Ring's Melina looks...normal. 😭 👍

This is mostly normal for the Souls games. There's some outliers in monster design sometimes (looking at you Quelaag), but the normal human npc women tend to be dressed in reasonable ways.

The most egregious female armor issue that I can remember is from Bluepoint's port of demons souls where they inexplicably added boobplate into the game for no reason.
 

MEGrika

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Oct 25, 2017
498
The armor sets for women continue to look as great and equal to the men in Elden Ring as they do in their other games. I'm excited to dive in. :)

 
Mar 7, 2020
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Is it the outfits and being in war or is there something else?
not too sure, but in the original Gundam the Zeon's are pretty much space nazi's that claim to want independence for the space colonist from Earth government's control. They used WMD in the beginning of the war including nukes, biologial weapons and other stuff.

The weapons they used are...space colonies. They procured the colonies by...gassing the inhabitants and killing them, then turning the space colony into WMD and dropped them on Earth.

Also...this is Zeon's flag

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RpgN

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Netherlands
not too sure, but in the original Gundam the Zeon's are pretty much space nazi's that claim to want independence for the space colonist from Earth government's control. They used WMD in the beginning of the war including nukes, biologial weapons and other stuff.

The weapons they used are...space colonies. They procured the colonies by...gassing the inhabitants and killing them, then turning the space colony into WMD and dropped them on Earth.

Also...this is Zeon's flag

I haven't watched Gundam before (though I did buy some vita games recently). From an outsider knowing nothing about the franchise, the trailer looked typical. There are often those type of games with military mixed with robot setting.

This puts things in perspective. I can definitely see the comparison now. Thanks for sharing.
 

esserius

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Oct 26, 2017
7,313
The armor sets for women continue to look as great and equal to the men in Elden Ring as they do in their other games. I'm excited to dive in. :)
Can I request that future Elden Ring posts be spoilered until the game releases? Would like to go in as blind as possible. Happy to see the armor is great!
 

Roliq

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Sep 23, 2018
6,225
Can I request that future Elden Ring posts be spoilered until the game releases? Would like to go in as blind as possible. Happy to see the armor is great!
I mean i feel this is kind of extreme i guess? Is not like people use leaked footage, it's literally the first time they released gameplay even
 

Dice

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Oct 25, 2017
22,661
Canada

Raftina

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Jun 27, 2020
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Has the thread talked about Marci, the new Dota hero that just released?
In the search function, you can limit the search parameter to just this thread (by default it is everywhere). I was not able to find any mention of her. Though admittedly you sometimes get extended discussions of a character without ever naming the character or the game.

TIL there is a Dota anime on Netflix.
 

Dragmire

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Oct 25, 2017
1,122
So Samus is trending. Yeah this type of thing will lead to a journey into the abyss but someone ripped the ZS model from Dread and we can see the comparisons:

You can find better pictures and the original source on twitter. I didn't wanna link that person since there's some NSFW stuff on their twitter.
 

Roliq

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Sep 23, 2018
6,225
The only thing i will say about it is that at least it doesn't have the ridiculous Other M heels

Also is so stupid how the localization fucked up the dialogue, making it even shitier than what already was
 
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