Same. I feel like it really encapsulates the issue in a more thorough way than the more extreme examples.
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Why women criticise sexualised character designs | OT3 | "make her look more...corpulent, more stuffed where the eyes can't escape."
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Not that this thread was on pace to hit the 20k mark anytime soon
See, I like that one because it's multi-purpose for so many games
"where else would the camera go?" is just so appropriate for so many games lol
The best part of the new thread names is that the whole forum sees it and just asks if that is a real quote. Then getting shocked someone said it.
I believe that was said in response to the criticism of Capcom sexualizing a teenager with a suggestive outfit and camera angles.
I think sexualized fighting game designs would be more ok if there was diversity to the designs.
Like Mortal Kombat still has some women in sexy outfits but they also have plenty that are not. Also helps that many are great characters instead of one dimensional fan service.
Like Mortal Kombat still has some women in sexy outfits but they also have plenty that are not. Also helps that many are great characters instead of one dimensional fan service.
I'm not in favor of quoting other users of the forum, especially as it invites cross-thread and cross-community drama. Admittedly, said thread is now ancient history by forum standards. But my point stands.
Technically, the quote is a paraphrase of paraphrase, but yeah, that's an understandable point. Though the current thread title is direct quote from a user who even (good naturedly) acknowledge it in a post here (before deleting their account later on). So if that's the drawing line, we've been in violation from day one :x
I think this is the way.
Honestly, as a casual FG fan, it's off putting how fighting games are so prone to sexualize female characters to the point of normalization inside the genre, and that's without taking in account the standard set of stats for every female character (High speed, low strenght, low HP) It's even MORE off putting when every once in a while a series appears that actually doesn't fall into this (Guilty Gear started amazingly well with May, Baiken and Justice and even kept some standards through the X and XX era despite Dizzy and Jam) until it ultimately crashes and burns (as happened to GG once it entered the Xrd era)
The ideal thing would be to have exotic non sexualized designs, but having one or two sexualized characters would not be bad if they were part of a way more diverse cast.
I tend to prefer using female characters, and with most FG it's downright embarassing to do so.
We lucked out there as the user took it in good stride. Also I'm not setting a rule per se, just sharing my opinion on the matter. Admittedly, my opinion does hold greater weight.
Just stumble upon this legit frightening post about RE4R's Ashley new outfit. I can't believe that people like this actually exists.
It reads like a troll at first but you quickly realize that this chud is 100% serious
No no no no no no.
I refuse to believe this what actually written with a straight face. I mean, what the hell.
Well, to be fair, pretty sure It was written with the most bitter and red tinted face imaginable (or orange from cheeto dust)
Seriously what the fuck is that?
Only thing about Ashley's design I take issue with is the erasure of her big ass ears. They were pretty cute and I can't think of too many characters with large ears like that.
I don't comment often to give space for women and people who are more informed/ have more thoughtful takes on the topic to share there thoughts but I just want to thank everyone who post here for making this great thread.
Ive lurked this thread for years and it's helped me reexamine how I look at video game design and the impacts design decisions have on people and culture.
Years ago I never put any thoughts into the design of Women vs Men any games and didn't notice any difference.
The Strategic Butt cover Video from Feminist Frequency was a Major eye opening moment were I Started to actively notice design Tropes and start to think why decisions are Made and the impact of them. (Can't believe that video was 2017 wow time is moving)
Im sure other Men like me who used to be Ignorant have been helped by this thread weather verbalized or not. You just need a little spark to start thinking more critically about issues and I'm confident this thread was someone's first spark like that FF video was for me.
Theres lots of ways characters design and camera angles/framing impact how we think of them subtly or not. (I'm still mad at how Michael Bay treated Megan Fox's transformers character. She was the only competent likeable person in the movie yet the camera and characters kept sexing her up for no reason. Bay has a serious problem with women in his movies in general.)
Anyways long story short I read this thread all the time And I think y'all are all doing great.
Ive lurked this thread for years and it's helped me reexamine how I look at video game design and the impacts design decisions have on people and culture.
Years ago I never put any thoughts into the design of Women vs Men any games and didn't notice any difference.
The Strategic Butt cover Video from Feminist Frequency was a Major eye opening moment were I Started to actively notice design Tropes and start to think why decisions are Made and the impact of them. (Can't believe that video was 2017 wow time is moving)
Im sure other Men like me who used to be Ignorant have been helped by this thread weather verbalized or not. You just need a little spark to start thinking more critically about issues and I'm confident this thread was someone's first spark like that FF video was for me.
Theres lots of ways characters design and camera angles/framing impact how we think of them subtly or not. (I'm still mad at how Michael Bay treated Megan Fox's transformers character. She was the only competent likeable person in the movie yet the camera and characters kept sexing her up for no reason. Bay has a serious problem with women in his movies in general.)
Anyways long story short I read this thread all the time And I think y'all are all doing great.
Just stumble upon this legit frightening post about RE4R's Ashley new outfit. I can't believe that people like this actually exists.
It reads like a troll at first but you quickly realize that this chud is 100% serious
I would say that this is some kind of joke, but I saw a similar rant before for a different remake, might have been RE2 or RE3, so I know there are people who are 100% serious about any changes that reduce their ability to be horny on the female video game characters.
Regarding stats specifically, typically that isn't how they work in modern fighting games. High speed isn't reserved exclusively for female characters, definitely not the case of most of them having low strength/low damage output, and HP values can be either balanced relative to each character's specific gameplay advantages (as with everyone in SFV and GG Strive, resulting in characters like Cammy and Akuma in the former and Millia and Chipp in the latter being made of paper) or standardized across the cast regardless of whom the player picks (as with Tekken 7 and Soul Calibur VI).
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You're right, in fact Guilty Gear itself already had a high speed low strenght character on Chipp Zanuff, i meant the trope as a whole, but it's also true that i'm kinda stuck in the past when it comes to FG.
My bad.
You get a lot of "she's stronger than she looks" characters nowadays. Not just in fighting games.
This is absolutely wild, how does someone get from point a) "I enjoy playing video games" to point b) "The sole reason to play games is to be horny!! GRRR!!!"Just stumble upon this legit frightening post about RE4R's Ashley new outfit. I can't believe that people like this actually exists.
It reads like a troll at first but you quickly realize that this chud is 100% serious
I was out for an optician's appointment a couple of weeks ago, and the elastic on my tights decided to become non-canon halfway through. Not very convenient.
I agree. I tend to call it the Catwoman problem.
Catwoman is a sexy femme fatale type character, and she's pretty great. The problem comes when the supposedly 'sexy' character stands next to your supposedly 'normal' characters and 99% of the time she's the most modest of the group. When g-strings and boob socks are standard attire how does one even stand out as 'sexy'?
So i think this can fit, so people noticed that for Resident Evil: Death Island Jill Valentine looked way younger for someone who should be in her forties
View: https://twitter.com/REBHPortal/status/1633989354942238720
So they went with "she had her aging slowed down" which for some reason also means wearing the same clothes she had 20 years ago too (complete with cleavage), a ridiculous excuse to not have an older female character
View: https://twitter.com/REBHPortal/status/1633989354942238720
So they went with "she had her aging slowed down" which for some reason also means wearing the same clothes she had 20 years ago too (complete with cleavage), a ridiculous excuse to not have an older female character
I don't consider those movies canon, and I don't think the devs do either, but it's unfortunate regardless. I wouldn't mind that trope if it let Jill be Rose's mentor, but we can't have nice things.
I so want Sarah Connor Jill but alas.
I so want Sarah Connor Jill but alas.
I mean...no one look in my closet, lol.
I think the game story goes is she got got by Wesker in
I doubt they're trying to pull that she's been aging slowly since she got infected in 1998, because they didn't set that up in the games she appeared in after that at all. (Or maybe at 40, she's finally noticing that she hadn't really been aging, but that'd be a bit dumb.)
I think I remember Umbrella's founder being all in on trying to get eternal life or some nonsense. So, I guess if they had always been "neutrally" applying that getting infected slows your aging, I could see it. The regeneration would basically make you Wolverine. But the list of people that got infected (and are still alive in-universe any number of years later) is pretty low.
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Somehow only ever happens with female characters too.
They are considered canon.
They are considered canon.
*internal screaming* Well, it's not like they matter to the mainline games. They all seem as consequential as Revelations.
Crazy how the same virus that decays your flesh & gives you an insatiable craving for brains, can also give you wrinkle free skin & perky breasts. Kinda makes you wonder why Wesker was so dead set on the zombie plan when he could've been making billions in the cosmetic industry.
Viruses are magic...
RE6s version can create literal magic...no explanation.
These creatures?
The snake that's 100 feet long and can turn invisible? used to be a single human guy
The 100 foot tall giants? also just a single human guy
The 500 foot shark? yep also a single guy
The Zombie with a fully functioning organic chainsaw hand and built in heels? also just a guy
The living colony of wasps that form a sexy female figure with a queen at the center, aslo literally just a regular GUY. (on of chris's male squadmates get's turned into sexy bee monster lady thing)
Not to mention the entire plot of RE6 and Incel Colonel Sanders having the hots for Ada wong, getting refused by her and his response was using viruses to turn people into copies of Ada wong against their will so he could have his own Ada Wong.
Notice that in every one of those example the magic virus turns them into hideous monsters. As soon as it touches Jill though, it turns her into an eternal hottie. How convenient.Viruses are magic...
RE6s version can create literal magic...no explanation.
These creatures?
The snake that's 100 feet long and can turn invisible? used to be a single human guy
The 100 foot tall giants? also just a single human guy
The 500 foot shark? yep also a single guy
The Zombie with a fully functioning organic chainsaw hand and built in heels? also just a guy
The living colony of wasps that form a sexy female figure with a queen at the center, aslo literally just a regular GUY. (on of chris's male squadmates get's turned into sexy bee monster lady thing)
Not to mention the entire plot of RE6 and Incel Colonel Sanders having the hots for Ada wong, getting refused by her and his response was using viruses to turn people into copies of Ada wong against their will so he could have his own Ada Wong.
Even with the other time they did something like this with Alexia Ashford, she ended up looking at least a BIT monstrous (though she gets more so in later forms)
And it just contradicts itself like why did the same not happen with Lisa Trevor from RE1R?
While the viruses in RE are pretty bullshit (lol RE6), they did do some basic narrative backstopping to explain the non-zombified infected.
- Lisa Trevor: Infected with the Progenitor virus (and later proto-Nemesis parasites) and who knows what else and all but kept locked in a basement.
- Albert Wesker: Infects himself with an "experimental" virus and then later killed, which apparently activated it, turning him into Neo for some reason.
- Jill Valentine: Infected with the T-virus, but soon given anti-virals before things progress too far. Later severely injured in a fall and kidnapped by Wesker in 2006. The T-virus activates again while she's in a coma but her body is able to create antibodies for it.
- Sherry Birkin: Infected with the G-virus, but soon given anti-virals before things progress too far. Develops regenerative powers afterward. Her blood is later used to engineer the C-virus (lol RE6).
- Alexia Ashford: Infects herself with the T-Veronica virus. Goes into stasis for years to "bond" with it so she doesn't end up like her father...whom she experimented on with the same virus and it did not go well.
- Steve Burnside: Infected with the T-Veronica virus. Does...not go well. Albert Wesker alludes that maybe he could be revived like he was, but he makes no more appearances.
- Alex Wesker: Infected with the same virus as Albert Wesker, but doesn't get Matrix powers due to having a degenerative disease. The virus basically kept her alive, though.
- Natalia Korda: Infected with the T-Phobos virus, which activates based on fear. Due to having deadened emotions due to trauma, it doesn't fully activate in her. Can basically sense other infected people.
- Jake Muller: Son of Albert Wesker. Basically immune to all the viruses.
- Eveline: A test-tube baby and the originator of "mold." Can control anyone infected with it. Suffers from rapid aging.
- Zoe Baker: Infected with mold and later cured. Aftereffects unknown.
- Mia Winters: Infected with mold and later cured. Aftereffects unknown.
- Ethan Winters: Is basically mold.
- Rose Winters: Is basically mold.
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I still have my Gameinformer with the RE3R cover on my table end as just kind of a coffee table decoration type thing and definitely noticed the.....'subtle' changes they made to what's essentially the exact same Jill model when screens of the movie were first shown.
People were just excited to finally have Jill in one of these, coupled with not wanting to get hit with a "you're the real perv for noticing" that I just kinda didn't bother trying to bring it up in the trailer threads or what not. Glad to see it finally get brought up here, as the CG movies are such a blip that I had since forgotten about them until this bump reminded me of it.
What baffles me is that they pretty much just reused her design from RE3 remake. Same face and the same clothes she had on in 1998. Did they not have a character designer on-hand to give Jill a new design and outfit for this movie like they did for Leon and Chris? It can't possibly the same in-game model from RE3R which would have least explained it away with laziness or a budget shortage.
I think Sherry was, like, a genetic match or something because it was her dad that infected her, but the point stands that Resident Evil's female characters are on some Logan's Run shit. Narratively I think the only exception is Ada who hasn't been touched by any virus or anything and is at least as old as Leon.
It's disappointing too because Resident Evil is one of the only long-running game franchises like this that doesn't use a sliding timeline and where the characters all supposedly age in real-time.
Claire has definitely been aging, as seen in Rev2. Also, I think Sherry is aging normally; she's just got the super-healing properties. Also Rebecca, though she's only reappeared in one of the movies, so that's fair to have forgotten.
Sherry looks her age, she's 26 in RE6.
The real issue with Sherry in RE6 is that she's needlessly sexualized. Right down to her callback outfit literally being a kid sized schoolgirl outfit since you know, nothing strange about reminding us that we first rescued her when she was 12. Oh and that business at the hospital.
Officially, as per canon info about her she "stopped aging" after a certain point. She's meant to look like 18 or somesuch. It's one of those things where Resident Evil gets kinda... skeevy.Sherry looks her age, she's 26 in RE6.
The real issue with Sherry in RE6 is that she's needlessly sexualized. Right down to her callback outfit literally being a kid sized schoolgirl outfit since you know, nothing strange about reminding us that we first rescued her when she was 12. Oh and that business at the hospital.
Can't possibly correlate a woman's attractiveness with anything other than childlike characteristics either.
Sherry looks her age, she's 26 in RE6.
The real issue with Sherry in RE6 is that she's needlessly sexualized. Right down to her callback outfit literally being a kid sized schoolgirl outfit since you know, nothing strange about reminding us that we first rescued her when she was 12. Oh and that business at the hospital.
Woah, those costumes are as bad as mods in recent RE games.
Sadly no, because these exist:
Racist and sexist. Double whammy.
Oof, yeah those are the ones actually. Especially the left one. Those and the revelations ones honestly could all be mod costumes.Sadly no, because these exist:
Racist and sexist. Double whammy.
A reminder that our introduction to Sheva isn't her face, it's instead a close up of her butt. Before RE7 Capcom was getting weirder and weirder about women in their games. Thankfully they've done a 180 since 7, Lady D notwithstanding. Granted, I don't think they expected that reaction at all.Sadly no, because these exist:
Racist and sexist. Double whammy.
D and the other girls I think were made earnestly and not with fanservice specifically in mind.
What's happened to Resident Evil in recent years is honestly one of the best arguments for remasters as long as the main teams behind modern successors are involved with them.
RE started as a Japanese take on American B-movie horror, but each game became slightly more action-oriented than the last one. The gradual creep over the course of 20-odd years meant Capcom likely hadn't realized how far newer games like Resident Evil 6 or Revelations had drifted from the PS1 games until they started working on the remasters for Resident Evil 0 and the Resident Evil 1 remakes. Some Capcom folks admitted that replaying those games and rebuilding them taught them how the older RE games worked, and they brought that knowledge into RE7 and the RE2 remake.
RE started as a Japanese take on American B-movie horror, but each game became slightly more action-oriented than the last one. The gradual creep over the course of 20-odd years meant Capcom likely hadn't realized how far newer games like Resident Evil 6 or Revelations had drifted from the PS1 games until they started working on the remasters for Resident Evil 0 and the Resident Evil 1 remakes. Some Capcom folks admitted that replaying those games and rebuilding them taught them how the older RE games worked, and they brought that knowledge into RE7 and the RE2 remake.
That's what I mean when I say I don't think they expected that reaction. But they saw the reaction and the marketing department said " 🤑" Same situation happened with battle damaged Ryu being rebranded as "Hot Ryu"
It's a spoiler if you don't want to see, but the new Ada design is something. Feels possibly more sexualized than before.