Jeez, that really encapsulates the dichotomy of how women are usually drawn vs men.
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Jeez, that really encapsulates the dichotomy of how women are usually drawn vs men.
I fully agree, and there still one more argument you can add to your list: the people making those changes are the original company that made the game in the first place. The original artists if you will. Casey Hudon which is Mass Effect creator probably worked in the Legendary Edition for a good while, and Mac Walters, who is the director, was a key developer in the trilogy, especially ME2 and ME3. So it's not like a group of strangers, or a third party as you put it, is making those changes while the original creators hide in a corner afraid to protest.
Thinking about nudity for a second, both ME2 and ME3 were released in a time where Bioware was under... scrutiny by part of the media because of the sex scenes in ME1. And you can see the result of that in how conservative, and even inconsistent, the romance scenes in ME2 and ME3 were. I remember in ME3 for example Samantha Traynor takes a shower with her underwear on. I think it was only with Dragon Age Inquisition that Bioware stopped being afraid of showing naked people again. And this is something that they could discuss changing in the LE, because I believe if they were not under preassure they might have made different creative decisions. And I guarantee that if those were the changes made to the LE, no one would be complaining about "censorship".
Nick Fury, spymaster: suspicious, choosing a target.Same energy as Black Widow from the Winter Soldier poster.
Captain America, ultimate soldier: stoic, determined, standing tall, steady advance
Black Widow, legendary professional assassin: advertising shampoo
It seems we fully agree. I'm also sure nobody would complain if that was the change they made.
Armor mod for FF12's Fran and also for Ashe
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...I'll take it.
Chainmail Armor - Party Pack v2.2
Various clothing reskins for the main party, centered around using chainmail style armor.
www.nexusmods.com
...I'll take it.
Armor mod for FF12's Fran and also for Ashe
Chainmail Armor - Party Pack v2.2
Various clothing reskins for the main party, centered around using chainmail style armor.
...I'll take it.
Surprised the mod didn't change more, or maybe they can't. Not sure what actually goes into modding it.
(Man, I'm still peeved I'm pretty peeved how the PS4 version got screwed over, only getting a patch to add one feature the XBO and Switch versions got and no 60 FPS patch).
It's usually hard to mod in additional polygons without potentially breaking things. Sometimes it's easier, but no less effective, to modify the textures of the existing model to make it appear like they're wearing more armor. In this mod's case, it's all about painting chainmail instead of skin.
But they didn't take the chance to fix the boob socks/skin tight nonsense. So it's a wash
Lmao were they jiggling in that trailer? That's actually laughable. Those designs are just...uh, not good.
Xenoblade Chronicles is a strong candidate for worst designs in modern gaming. Even the designs that aren't sexualized are completely hideous.
Honestly? Those designs are tame for the game. From what I've seen it's skeevy from top to bottom (including child characters).
I am kind of surprised that they did not cover Pyra's waist (on the sides). I know the spirit did not, but it is easier to fly under the radar with the spirit than it is with a model moving in the foreground. No, I do not think the Smash team cares about avoiding objectifying women, but they do care about the Japanese ratings board.
Idk, I haven't played the game obviously, but their designs and the other ones I have seen are just awful lol.
Like I said on the reveal thread, like their is another woman in Smash but yeah, the design is very silly and the boob socks are eye-rolling, I feel like I've been nulled somewhat from fighting games and thought it wasn't too bad at first but then really looking at it, their sillier the designs are.
Is this like how they were in Xenoblade 2 or are these toned down from there like what happened to Bayonetta?
Man they didn't even attempt to change Pyra's design at all, that's basically pantyhose to cover the legs so in a way it's even more fetish-y than normal. And their breasts are still the absurd size they always were.
It's so weird that Smash is going from Bayonetta, Zero Suit Samus and Palutena as the most sexualized characters to... this. I know that Bayonetta is the literal witch that strips to finish her enemies, but her designs look tasteful next to this crap. At least she looks like a real person and not a sex doll.
It's so weird that Smash is going from Bayonetta, Zero Suit Samus and Palutena as the most sexualized characters to... this. I know that Bayonetta is the literal witch that strips to finish her enemies, but her designs look tasteful next to this crap. At least she looks like a real person and not a sex doll.
The stockings and tights are the difference, for some reason
ZSS has an outfit with bare legs so I don't see the issue there, I guess her ass would probably be flashing the camera a little less obviously
Anytime I see designs like the XB ones, Bayonetta, 2b, etc....it just makes me appreciate ones like Ellie/Abby, Aloy, etc even more.
Sakurai basically did the bare minimum to stay within the E10+ rating. I'm pretty sure they would have gotten in unaltered if the game was T, which saddens me. Pyra in particular needed a complete redo (or at least do away with the vacuum-sealed shirt).
For Pyra: The pantyhose is is not in XB2. I am not sure which is worse. Smash technically covers more, but as Dustlander noted, the pantyhose might be a fetish focus.
For Mythra: It's a lot more toned down compared to XB2. All the black areas were basically bare skin, and she had very noticeable cleavage.
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Thanks, yeah it feels like the more I look at the designs the more I notice the issues (also is Mythra's boots robot heads, do those talk).
I feel like I can't be fully angry with the choice because it's another woman over the more obvious choice of Rex or just another man in general, but they are severe issues with that design and from what I've seen discussed here on this thread in the past, not even the worst that game has.
Feel a bit of hypocrite saying that because one of my dream characters would be Morrigan from DarkStalkers and that's a characters who design (especially in more newer art) has a ton of issues as well.
Still hoping how little Cooking Mama, Chun-Li and Jill Valentine (though I suspect Chris would be considered the true man of RE) for Smash and if they did another Pokemon rep, hoping they'd do another human like Cynthia with a twist and differences so she isn't just an copy of Red.
As far as Direct reveals go, at least there are some good designs in the Project Triangle Strategy demo:
I noticed those, they look cool. I like the knitted wool shawl with the toggle on the lady at the top? Cosy. Detail on all of them is good though. It's the kind of detail I like, they look like they wear those outfits rather than attach it with glue and hope for the best.
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The difference is that character has a long standing place in games history, there's no need to be ashamed of that
The least satisfying stuff in smash loses sight of that and feels like a cheap grab for selling that game
Like say Lara Croft, you could have her original triangle boob design and it still feels nowhere near as bad because that character has a real spot in culture
Monolith has been put on my "they aren't going to change why waste energy criticizing it" when it comes to character designs list, along with yoko taro, the people who make trails, and many others that i won't say. Though i love mythra as a character even with that design so i am happy she is included
Well, this was bound to happen. Xenoblade is definitely big enough to deserve a second rep, and Elma really needed a sequel to her game to have a shot.
The designs are bad, there's no two ways around it, but at least it's still more female representation? At least you aren't playing as REX with Pyrrha and Mythra in the background having the same design, but being literally obectified to support him.
I'm in a discord with a pretty varied group of friends who are Nintendo diehards like me and watch Directs and stuff together. About half of them are LGBTQ+ people like me.
And the reactions to the new characters were of course varied, with some happy, some annoyed, most neutral and one person that was literally exploding with joy because Pyrrha is their favorite first-party character not yet in Smash. But the one thing that brought us all together was the reaction to Rex being confirmed as not being playable.
Everyone, including those who didn't play the game (but still knew enough to understand what kind on non-character he is), said a variant of "GOOD! Screw Rex!"
If nothing else we can all be happy that one of the worst, most boring self-insert protagonist that gets an harem for no reason in the history of gaming hasn't joined the roster. For all the problems in their designs, Pyrrha and Mythra are way more interesting, especially when they aren't interacting with that waste of space. Being a final smash is more than he deserves.
Really holding out hope for Elma in the next game. Xenoblade is certainly big enough for three reps, right?
Has anyone made the "well they are not technically human women, so there is no reason they need to follow real women's anatomy" argument yet?
The designs are bad, there's no two ways around it, but at least it's still more female representation? At least you aren't playing as REX with Pyrrha and Mythra in the background having the same design, but being literally obectified to support him.
I'm in a discord with a pretty varied group of friends who are Nintendo diehards like me and watch Directs and stuff together. About half of them are LGBTQ+ people like me.
And the reactions to the new characters were of course varied, with some happy, some annoyed, most neutral and one person that was literally exploding with joy because Pyrrha is their favorite first-party character not yet in Smash. But the one thing that brought us all together was the reaction to Rex being confirmed as not being playable.
Everyone, including those who didn't play the game (but still knew enough to understand what kind on non-character he is), said a variant of "GOOD! Screw Rex!"
If nothing else we can all be happy that one of the worst, most boring self-insert protagonist that gets an harem for no reason in the history of gaming hasn't joined the roster. For all the problems in their designs, Pyrrha and Mythra are way more interesting, especially when they aren't interacting with that waste of space. Being a final smash is more than he deserves.
Really holding out hope for Elma in the next game. Xenoblade is certainly big enough for three reps, right?
Has anyone made the "well they are not technically human women, so there is no reason they need to follow real women's anatomy" argument yet?
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I feel like there is a certain template for princesses' tutors.
You. I like you. Even if I would prefer to have a playable Lusamine from Sun/Moon as it would be an interesting idea and follow the theme of "villains" added to the roster.
Or even better, no more Pokémon reps, so we agree on that front too.
I'd say it's always worth it
Looking at the costume design changes between MGS and Death Stranding, despite being by the same artist Shinkawa for many many years, are worth it
and imo, when it comes to people who won't change it's just wasted energy. I'd rather do it when it's someone like nomura who does it but can change. but when it's monolith the people who gave kos-mos this
and has continually produced that attack in every one of their games since while constantly using sexualized designs. at that point you are screaming at a brick wall and hoping the sound of your voice will knock it down, it's like asking the developers in charge of SenKag to change
Eh, I mean when they are designs that egregious, I think it's important to keep pushing back. Just me though.and imo, when it comes to people who won't change it's just wasted energy. I'd rather do it when it's someone like nomura who does it but can change. but when it's monolith the people who gave kos-mos this
and has continually produced that attack in every one of their games since while constantly using sexualized designs. at that point you are screaming at a brick wall and hoping the sound of your voice will knock it down, it's like asking the developers in charge of SK to change
and imo, when it comes to people who won't change it's just wasted energy. I'd rather do it when it's someone like nomura who does it but can change. but when it's monolith the people who gave kos-mos this
and has continually produced that attack in every one of their games since while constantly using sexualized designs. at that point you are screaming at a brick wall and hoping the sound of your voice will knock it down, it's like asking the developers in charge of SenKag to change
i'm sorry hold on a second
KOS-MOS' armor has a knife built into it specifically for cutting her top open?
the fuck?
and imo, when it comes to people who won't change it's just wasted energy. I'd rather do it when it's someone like nomura who does it but can change. but when it's monolith the people who gave kos-mos this
and has continually produced that attack in every one of their games since while constantly using sexualized designs. at that point you are screaming at a brick wall and hoping the sound of your voice will knock it down, it's like asking the developers in charge of SenKag to change
Ah yes, the old destructive cannon hidden in the breasts trick. I would pay anything to see a destructive cannon hidden in the penis as a variation. Though I worry they would probably only make something like that as a joke, while this thing with Kos-Mos is supposed to be taken seriously lmao.
Can we add her and T-elos to the ever growing pile of female characters that deserve better than their company has given them?
and when it's people who don't care or want to listen, it just better to not waste energy i mean look at de the game they released in 2020, after there was push back against sexualized designs what did we get as new armor?
they had the chance to put new non sexualized armor in the game they chose not to
It's because she has an ultimate weapon hidden there that can only be unleashed if her breasts are exposed. And obviously you will find people everywhere that will explain how deep and powerful this is for her character.
oh yes not only that but her other model t-elos has so it increases her cleavage when used by pushing her breasts together
Armor mod for FF12's Fran and also for Ashe
Chainmail Armor - Party Pack v2.2
Various clothing reskins for the main party, centered around using chainmail style armor.
...I'll take it.
Is this usable on the gamepass version? I was thinking of trying it as I never finished it after loosing my saves halfway in.
I think the designs look a bit better then the Xeno 2 looks. I would have preferred Elma as she has the better look but I do like Mythra and Pyra as charters in spite of the cringe designs.
may i introduce destroy man, literally the only male character in video games with a dick laser and nipple guns
If they really have introduced jiggle to Smash with those two then that's a bit concerning
In general this is the first time I've felt a Smash inclusion was driven almost entirely by merchandise sales. Sakurai is usually a stickler for lore but here we have Pyra and Mythra goin all-out on their own.
I mean, on the one hand it's cool to have two female characters in one, but their designs kinda weaken it. At least they went with the far superior Mythra outfit, I guess.
I will say that basically all of the early party members in the original look very silly except Nia, but I recently saw her design from later in the game and... yeah. People give Kingdom Hearts a lot of flack for its fashion but they're cohesive masterpieces compared to XB2.
In general this is the first time I've felt a Smash inclusion was driven almost entirely by merchandise sales. Sakurai is usually a stickler for lore but here we have Pyra and Mythra goin all-out on their own.
I mean, on the one hand it's cool to have two female characters in one, but their designs kinda weaken it. At least they went with the far superior Mythra outfit, I guess.
I will say that basically all of the early party members in the original look very silly except Nia, but I recently saw her design from later in the game and... yeah. People give Kingdom Hearts a lot of flack for its fashion but they're cohesive masterpieces compared to XB2.
Yea, Kairi from Kingdom Hearts looks like an all time great design compared to these tbh, lol.
Thinking about it, one of the issues with Cynthia is that Lucario is one of her mains so that'd cause problems. Misty I think could work well, instead of the switch out gimmick of the Pokemon Trainer, her two Pokemon, Staryu and Starmie are more closer to the Ice Climbers but instead their heavily focused on rush hit and run tactics and speed, acting like Ninja stars across the map with double team (though more fragile fighters to compensate) using rapid spin and tackle for close rapid attacks before quick retreats for bubblebeam limited range. Maybe add Psyduck or one of her other Pokemon in two add more gimmicks or as an Final Smash?