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Why women criticise sexualised character designs | OT3 | "make her look more...corpulent, more stuffed where the eyes can't escape."
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if it sells they will. It would be another big exclusive to show of.
They'll probably do just this. Promote their game AND pour gasoline on a manufactured culture war that'll give the game more attention? You can practically see the dollar signs in their eyes.
It's gonna be such a shit show, I can already see it.
Literally. Really gonna make the whole initiative look like a joke, and they won't give a shit.
They are making a big strategic push for regions outside of the traditional NA/EU/JPN for console growth with ShiftUp, a strategic partnership with NC Soft, and so on.
SIE isn't going to treat Eve like a first party character, that's not going to happen. She doesn't belong to them. Stellar Blade is not going to have an impact outside of this year, which is being generous of if the game even is talked about much in a month.
A Stellar Blade GAAS project is a different story, but even then there will be limits to how it will impact anything.
A Stellar Blade GAAS project is a different story, but even then there will be limits to how it will impact anything.
What Star Rail players hoped she would look like
What she is probably going to look like most of the time:
View: https://twitter.com/honkaistarrail/status/1782620789990416531
Nice not sexualized, not gendered Tekkaman armor though.
What she is probably going to look like most of the time:
View: https://twitter.com/honkaistarrail/status/1782620789990416531
Nice not sexualized, not gendered Tekkaman armor though.
What Star Rail players hoped she would look like
What she is probably going to look like most of the time:
View: https://twitter.com/honkaistarrail/status/1782620789990416531
Nice not sexualized, not gendered Tekkaman armor though.
*lesbian boos*
Cowards couldn't put a hunky woman as the pilot.
Legit i dont expect it to be talked about when it releases beside some stupid comments about how it got "robbed" when GOTY talks happen at the end of the year (there is no way it will ever be considered), and of course when any sales numbers appear and grifters try to make stupid tweets and videos claiming the "woke has begun to be destroyed" or some shit
I did start awhile back haha! 🥰 I should pick it up again when Destiny Final Shape dies down since I'm gonna need another GaaS title to fill the space.
To be fair, most people thought Sam (the HSR robot being discussed above) was actually his own character and not like a robot suit for a girl. There was so much doom and gloom on the leaks subreddit when the leakers started talking about Firefly's existence. So many people got ultra baited into believing we'd get a badass mecha as a playable character for a whole year, only for the Firefly bait and switch.
I guess there's still Screwllum for the people who want a robot husbando, except we don't even know when he's releasing and whether he's actually 4* or 5*.
I guess there's still Screwllum for the people who want a robot husbando, except we don't even know when he's releasing and whether he's actually 4* or 5*.
Not sure if you meant our currency as in the Yen or Dollar, but the Yen is more than the Won and less than the Dollar and currently at its weakest wrt to both in the past five years.
I agree with your surmising of the situation. And I also think it reeks of Sony's continued actions. You wouldn't negotiate a contract, in their dominant position, that would wave away right to action or inaction to prevent potential damage, of consumer perception of brand (and) trust, from a partnership. They're going all in on the game, regardless of who it steps on.
Edit, currency clarification.
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Ah, I meant the Dollar. But, thanks for confirming all of that for me.
I'm so glad I gave up on HSR pretty early, or I would've been super pissed if we found out about a badass mech, only for it to turn out to be an utterly generic teenage anime girl. I'm so shockingly worn out on gacha games and their utter fixation on "collect all the cute girls!!!!!!!!!!" as their primary focus.
Could never have happened anyway, as it wasn't published by Sony. It wasn't even exclusive.
Cute! I always wanted to try out a midlander, but they don't have the right face options for me.I did start awhile back haha! 🥰 I should pick it up again when Destiny Final Shape dies down since I'm gonna need another GaaS title to fill the space.
I actually have a cat girl because they're one of the ones that gave me an option to have a scar over the right eye. It's ridiculous that options like that are set per face and per race.
What Star Rail players hoped she would look like
What she is probably going to look like most of the time:
View: https://twitter.com/honkaistarrail/status/1782620789990416531
Nice not sexualized, not gendered Tekkaman armor though.
We were robbed. All the cool robots turned into anime girls. I'm so mad. Unless you mean her design isn't overly sexulized, then I agree but I'd rather have my robot husband.
Boothill? I just know him from HSR fanart I'm sorry if he's not.
He's cool too, and def a future pull for me, but Sam was a cool actual robot. I should've known better tbh. I get why people like her but Firefly is textbook waifubait that I hate in gacha.
oh you were posting FF14 glamours and nobody posted SEXY BUNNY LADIES?
Fine, I'll do it...
that's pretty fucking sexy you have to admit.
That looks really cool.
Ya'll are making me actually want to update my glamour plates in FF14 now. :)
I actually have a problem going into Dawntrail that I main Ninja... so you'd think I'd have lots of glamour for Viper.
But the moment I saw the frog suit in a story cutscene back when I started in ShB, I knew that only a heroic frog ninja could save the world.
So all my scouting gear is all be-frogged and I'd have to de-glamour crystal it all. Too much work!
I really wish they could update the glamour system to work more like other MMOs, and return my inventory space to me.
I actually have a problem going into Dawntrail that I main Ninja... so you'd think I'd have lots of glamour for Viper.
But the moment I saw the frog suit in a story cutscene back when I started in ShB, I knew that only a heroic frog ninja could save the world.
So all my scouting gear is all be-frogged and I'd have to de-glamour crystal it all. Too much work!
I really wish they could update the glamour system to work more like other MMOs, and return my inventory space to me.
I used to play gacha and I feel like yeah it's p much inescapable for female gacha characters designed in that way until I quit them and now I'm free for over 2-3 years.
What Star Rail players hoped she would look like
What she is probably going to look like most of the time:
View: https://twitter.com/honkaistarrail/status/1782620789990416531
Nice not sexualized, not gendered Tekkaman armor though.
Yeah I wouldnt have gotten my hopes up, I love MiHoYo designs, but I don't think it's a stretch to say they fit a pretty tight "mould".
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I actually just checked, as I haven't kept up much with Star Rail (as I did Genshin) but wow... I was sad to be right lol
Honkai: Star Rail All Characters List
A complete list of all playable characters in Honkai: Star Rail.
This drives me nuts, they're REALLY good designs, but really start to bleed together too.
(off topic, I like that a company as big as Mihoyo still hasn't changed the original Twitter icon even for ZZZ)
I hate it so much. Like I get it ya'll thrive off fanservice, I just want equal fanservice. Nobody's losing anything, etc. I know ita foolish hope tho.
I believe in the 2.3 SU expansion bringing us Screwllum. Only 4.5 hours to finding out!
Personally, I am fine with Firefly turning out to be the same person as Sam. But I would have preferred if Firefly is just a dream world projection, and you actually run around and fight as the mecha. It fits her back story in a lot of ways, like her being tied to a cold chamber because of her being an artificial super soldier suffering from a (rather interesting in mechanics, even if the effect is generic [1]) science-fiction illness. But no, Mihoyo made a cute girl model and cannot have her only visible in the Penacony dreamscape.
I'm mostly on the other side, where I think it would be better if Mihoyo toned down the fanservice on the female characters. But a lot. Firefly is fine. She has a pretty cute dress that fits her namesake. Most of the others... not so much. The worst offenders are the Luofu women. Please stop putting vaguely dress shaped underwear with random cutouts on them.
[1] The game calls it Entropy Loss Syndrome. Its cause is this: One of the planets in this setting needed to fight off a monster insect invasion. Their solution was to mass produce super soldiers in powered armor, like Firefly. They super enhancement works as follows. They can move at super speeds because the super "steals" time from their future, giving them more time to react in the present. But as the future arrives, the stolen moments cause them to move more and more slowly because the time is missing, making them unable to function outside the armor.
Safe bet that Screwllum has been pushed back with his kit overhauled at this point. The Simulated Universe update coming in 2.3 isn't a new campaign mode anyway, the developer radio thing from a couple days ago indicated that it's a major overhaul to regular SU instead. So Screwllum is likely coming much later in the patch cycle with a new SU campaign.
I don't have that much of an issue with Firefly either, they really sold her through the story. I think she's the most hyped character ever since Kafka. I don't plan on pulling for her though because I'm not a fan of hypercarry team setups in general, though I heard she's supposed to be break effect focused now? My major focus now is follow-up attacks and DoT setups, not sure if I really want to invest in a break effect team yet.
On the note of the next new character after Firefly...
I really, REALLY dislike the Xianzhou/Luofu dress code. Sure, Ruan Mei and Jade are highly implied to have their origins tied to that faction, but I doubt either of them have actually been on a Xianzhou ship in a long ass time.
I remember Chinese players actually complained about this in regards to Ruan Mei's design, because they were expecting badass female scientist since she's one of the major people behind the Simulated Universe project and that she's a Genius Society member which is a different faction entirely, but her design is almost indistinguishable from all of the other Xianzhou women. And now we have Jade who is a fucking IPC Stoneheart.
I don't really have an issue with most of the female characters in HSR, just the very concept of the Xianzhou dress code making almost all female characters with ties to that faction very samey design-wise.
(I'm still pulling for Jade anyway because I really enjoy the concept of FuA and the IPC as a whole seems to be themed around it, and I also pulled Ruan Mei and plan to go for Screwllum simply because of their role in the Simulated Universe project.)
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If Wu Kong actually releases and is great then it probably will put a wrench into any chances SB has.
Chuds were also hyping up HL to be goty last year, but that was early before all the major studio releases. By the end of the year, it was barely a footnote, and chuds long stopped caring about it and that's with it being one of the highest selling games of the year.
Meanwhile Limbus Company has been feeding me this Season.
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The best part is all of their move sets are ridiculously great.
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Edgar Family Chief Butler Ryoshu
Edgar Family Butler Ishmael
The best part is all of their move sets are ridiculously great.
That's a Project Moon game, right? They're the dev who gave into Korea's gamergate and fired a woman when a characters costume was deemed "not hot enough", despite it not being her design, and used a tweet she retweeted that was against women being filmed without consent as "evidence" she was a feminist who needed to be fired.
Have they walked that all back?
Have they walked that all back?
Of course they haven't (publicly) walked it back, almost no game company (indie or otherwise) of any size in SK is going to do that because the misogynists have nothing better to do and the social/political climate doesn't help. Yes, the woman contract artist that was being harassed is no longer working with the company. It was initially reported as a firing per Project Moon's president and then walked back. (Probably because he fucked up bigtime from a legal perspective, a union was involved. Also you don't really "fire" a contractor but I'm no expert on SK labor laws.) It fucking sucks and I will forever detest the company's president for it. The tweet the misogynistic netizen mob used as a "gotcha" was deleted and made when the artist was still a teenager. Way before she worked with Project Moon. I've talked about this before in the thread, the situation was fucked six ways to Sunday and primary sources (in English) are almost non-existent.
No, what's going on in South Korea is not equivalent to Gamergate because that's incredibly Anglosphere centric and ignoring the cultural issues fanning the flames of what's going on over there. Of course that doesn't mean it isn't fucking bad, because it apparently very much is so and driven by misogyny at many levels of society including politicians such as the President and his party.
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Yep, I think there was a thread on here when the current President of South Korea won office. Anti-feminism was part of his platform and the platform of his party, which naturally is hard right.
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President. South Korea has a presidential system. The president holds executive power and is both head of state and head of government. South Korea does not have a prime minister.
This is the topic on Jade's reveal: https://www.douban.com/group/topic/304984208
And this is the topic on Ruan Mei's reveal: https://www.douban.com/group/topic/297065761
The reactions are... quite different. Almost all the posts about Ruan Mei criticize her costume for being disgusting sexy underwear. Particular attention is paid to the sheer black silk on her belly. By contrast, most of the posts about Jade praise her for being a beautiful older sister in a pretty dress. Some of the posts criticize the black lace bra, but they are usually embedded in in a post that overall likes the dress despite the flaws. It is not because they are different sets of users either. The top voted post said "翡翠姐好看捏，mhy明明能正常做衣服" ("Jade is so nice looking. Mihoyo can design normal looking dress after all")
There are multiple reasons for these sentiments. One is that most of the Chinese fanbase is looking at the artwork on phones, so some details are harder to notice. For example, one user confessed to not realizing Fischl had a line of sheer black silk running down her belly several years into playing Genshin.
But one big reason (and not a great one) is that Ruan Mei is wearing a Xianzhou dress, while Jade is not. The Xianzhou dresses--as well as the characters who wear them--have various details taken from traditional Chinese culture that makes them quite obvious to Chinese users. The most commonly shared element seems to be the button connecting two sides of the torso. In Ruan Mei's artwork, it is that horizontal gold colored thing above her belly. But there are various other elements, mostly in the details and patterns on their dresses, like the spirals that represent clouds and waves on a lot of sleeves and trims. There are a lot of supporting elements that signal "this is a Xianzhou character". In Ruan Mei's case, there are the bamboo curtails, the cups, and (of course) the ruan. Jade does not have any of those elements. Jade is being judged as a confident exotic foreign beauty, while Ruan Mei is being judged as a woman wearing a traditional dress that has been sexualized for NEET incels.
It is certainly a double standard, and one that ought not be applied. But I wish people would stop referring to the clothes on Black Swan, Jade, etc as Xianzhou dresses just because they are all highly sexualized.
For how Chinese women (the ones who play Star Rail anyway) react to various characters, I tend to look at Douban: https://www.douban.com/group/735784/ Douban is an entertainment media site whose userbase is primarily (but not exclusively) women, and the discussion groups mainly consists of fans discussing the title, so I think it is more reliable than looking at Weibo (Chinese equivalent to Twitter) or NGA (dominated by men).
I really, REALLY dislike the Xianzhou/Luofu dress code. Sure, Ruan Mei and Jade are highly implied to have their origins tied to that faction, but I doubt either of them have actually been on a Xianzhou ship in a long ass time.
I remember Chinese players actually complained about this in regards to Ruan Mei's design, because they were expecting badass female scientist since she's one of the major people behind the Simulated Universe project and that she's a Genius Society member which is a different faction entirely, but her design is almost indistinguishable from all of the other Xianzhou women. And now we have Jade who is a fucking IPC Stoneheart.
I don't really have an issue with most of the female characters in HSR, just the very concept of the Xianzhou dress code making almost all female characters with ties to that faction very samey design-wise.
This is the topic on Jade's reveal: https://www.douban.com/group/topic/304984208
And this is the topic on Ruan Mei's reveal: https://www.douban.com/group/topic/297065761
The reactions are... quite different. Almost all the posts about Ruan Mei criticize her costume for being disgusting sexy underwear. Particular attention is paid to the sheer black silk on her belly. By contrast, most of the posts about Jade praise her for being a beautiful older sister in a pretty dress. Some of the posts criticize the black lace bra, but they are usually embedded in in a post that overall likes the dress despite the flaws. It is not because they are different sets of users either. The top voted post said "翡翠姐好看捏，mhy明明能正常做衣服" ("Jade is so nice looking. Mihoyo can design normal looking dress after all")
There are multiple reasons for these sentiments. One is that most of the Chinese fanbase is looking at the artwork on phones, so some details are harder to notice. For example, one user confessed to not realizing Fischl had a line of sheer black silk running down her belly several years into playing Genshin.
But one big reason (and not a great one) is that Ruan Mei is wearing a Xianzhou dress, while Jade is not. The Xianzhou dresses--as well as the characters who wear them--have various details taken from traditional Chinese culture that makes them quite obvious to Chinese users. The most commonly shared element seems to be the button connecting two sides of the torso. In Ruan Mei's artwork, it is that horizontal gold colored thing above her belly. But there are various other elements, mostly in the details and patterns on their dresses, like the spirals that represent clouds and waves on a lot of sleeves and trims. There are a lot of supporting elements that signal "this is a Xianzhou character". In Ruan Mei's case, there are the bamboo curtails, the cups, and (of course) the ruan. Jade does not have any of those elements. Jade is being judged as a confident exotic foreign beauty, while Ruan Mei is being judged as a woman wearing a traditional dress that has been sexualized for NEET incels.
It is certainly a double standard, and one that ought not be applied. But I wish people would stop referring to the clothes on Black Swan, Jade, etc as Xianzhou dresses just because they are all highly sexualized.
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View: https://streamable.com/b20tku
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Some armor design are fanservice, some are not~~
The faction
But then there are full armor knight
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRHXFXvgQTA
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View: https://streamable.com/b20tku
FSC style tactic RPG...
Some armor design are fanservice, some are not~~
The faction
But then there are full armor knight
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRHXFXvgQTA
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View: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2526380/Sword_of_Convallaria/
EVE has very little character development. She's a hero and wants to help people, but that's about it. Other women are 'treated' OK, in that there's no overt sexualisation or harassment aimed at them from other characters. They all have outfits/bodies like EVE though, complete with jiggle. Or they are super cutesy and childlike.
As is often the case with these games, outside of their appearance and outfits, the games are almost entirely devoid of sex as a concept. Nothing in the story or dialogue deals with sex or attraction.
A lot of death is offscreen, but a lot of quests have you coming across dead bodies. I'd say the majority of big dramatic death scenes are women, however.
It's kind of a roll of the dice when you'll get good vs bad outfits as it depends on what quests you do and where you explore etc. It took a few hours for me to get out of the default one though.
I would say by and large EVE has no agency, she does what other people tell her although it's not always men.
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The game is reviewing well which means people are going to become even more insufferable. I've already seen posts about it proving "the haters" wrong. Why do you think they hate it Kevin hmm? Why do you think that is?
https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-s...r-blade-was-unintentional-will-be-patched-out
Well if it's any consolation(?), I'm sure the chuds will be bemoaning how "Sony censorship strikes again" with this. Massive oof either way.
Well if it's any consolation(?), I'm sure the chuds will be bemoaning how "Sony censorship strikes again" with this. Massive oof either way.
As a black man myself I wouldn't touch this until it's patched out.
I still can't believe Sony chose to publish Stellar Blade. Super gross funding something like that.
It's embarrassing on so many levels. I've lost so much respect for them as a publisher over the past few years but this is by far one of the worst things they've done in ages.
Goddammit I hate the "prove the haters wrong" shit, in general but especially in gaming.
"Hey this game has some deeply problematic elements and the devs are on some real chud shit."
"YEAH WELL THE GAME HAS A 90 ON METACRITIC SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?!"
"....Okay so the well-reviewed game still has deeply problematic elements and the devs are still on chud shit? What is the disconnect here?"
"THIS GAME HAS 90 METACRITIC SO YOU'RE A LYING HATER."
"............Huh?"
Like at best it's a blatant appeal to popularity that isn't actually coherent, basically the logical equivalent of this:
And at worst it's just blatant bad faith bullying.
I saw Polygon's this morning, which I had hoped would at least honestly deal with the issue, but nope. This is as far as I can tell the sum total of the discussion therein:
Like...I feel like I'm losing grip on reality. All of the ludicrous jiggle physics and male gaze camerawork are apparently "not fan service," so it's okay! Moving on! Combat good!
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