Will the MCU collapse under its own weight?
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If comic books and tv shows can keep going for decades upon decades then there's no reason these movies can't.
I know people have been crying about superhero fatigue for the last few years but it's not going to happen anytime soon. It will happen eventually though. Who knows when. Maybe before the next decades.
And as far as Infinity War is concerned, you only need to watch the Guardians and Avenges movies to catch up.
I know people have been crying about superhero fatigue for the last few years but it's not going to happen anytime soon. It will happen eventually though. Who knows when. Maybe before the next decades.
And as far as Infinity War is concerned, you only need to watch the Guardians and Avenges movies to catch up.
MCU WON'T necessarily collapse per se but if Marvel Studios keeps pumping out mediocre samey films over and over then I can see box office sales plummeting
I wish Marvel would just give their directors more freedom in standalone films and stop trying to add jokes everywhere
leave the snarky 'funny quips' to the Avengers films and Iron Man
I wish Marvel would just give their directors more freedom in standalone films and stop trying to add jokes everywhere
leave the snarky 'funny quips' to the Avengers films and Iron Man
Thanos was built up since the first Cap with the introduction of the Tesseract. Just think about how long ago that was relative to the conclusion being next summer. I just can't see that happening again like that.
You don't hire Taika Wahiti and then say: "make a serious Thor film."
This is not what was happening in Ragnarok.
Thor and Hela are both powerful gods in their own right. They both draw strength from "Asgard" not the Odinforce. Odin was using his own strength to imprison her, but when his strength just failed (too old, etc) that imprisonment failed.
Hela got stronger the longer she was in Asgard, which is why they had to blow up Asgard to stop her. But Hela had been active for thousands of years before that. Even at her weakest outside of Asgard she easily was powerful enough to Manhandle Thor because she was the older of the two.
Hela appeared to be WELL AWARE of just how strong she was, where her powers came from, and what things Odin said were BS and what things weren't.
Thor was still thinking his power came from the Hammer at the beginning of the film, rather than being innately within himself all along.
The last few Marvel movies have pretty blatently given their directors extreme freedom..you can't honestly look at Black Panther and Thor Ragnarok and believe that the directors felt restricted.
At this point, it's unwise to bet against the MCU.
10yrs going. 20 films in. The MCU has never been in a stronger position.
We are literally in midst of cinematic history in the making. But sure, I imagine there won't be another MCU movie on the scale of IW/A4 for at least 5yrs.
10yrs going. 20 films in. The MCU has never been in a stronger position.
We are literally in midst of cinematic history in the making. But sure, I imagine there won't be another MCU movie on the scale of IW/A4 for at least 5yrs.
On the one hand I worry about the MCU getting out of hand for non-geeks...
On the other hand, my parents who are in their 60's have seen every MCU movie and love them...
I can still remember my mom calling me after she saw Infinity War: "John, tell me Spider-Man's not dead. They just did a Spider-Man movie, Ironman has 3 movies why kill Spider-Man??" -_-
On the other hand, my parents who are in their 60's have seen every MCU movie and love them...
I can still remember my mom calling me after she saw Infinity War: "John, tell me Spider-Man's not dead. They just did a Spider-Man movie, Ironman has 3 movies why kill Spider-Man??" -_-
The topic is about wether the MCU will lose its' audience not about a collapse in the story-telling.
Becoming something that, for the most part, appeals to a small core audience, like comics, instead of having broad appeal would be a collapse.
It's true though. Venom is bad, yet entertaining. Any Marvel Studios flick that had Spider-Man in it has some pretty unmemorable, bland directing. It's almost as if they got TV directors who are easily controlled.....
I'm inclined to agree. I'm thinking there's going to be a somewhat dramatic reset of the Marvel status quo after A4, especially since Disney/Marvel own and control the Fox assets now.
The way I'm thinking, they're going to be slowly weaving Skrulls into a movie here and there following Captain Marvel with a big bang at some point for a Secret Invasion movie.
I'm sure one day it will.
I'm curious where they will go after Avengers 4. They surely can't be building up to another Thanos like villain any time soon. I'm really curious to they roadmap going forward. I think the handling of upcoming overreaching arches will determine when the MCU will start to lose steam.
I'm curious where they will go after Avengers 4. They surely can't be building up to another Thanos like villain any time soon. I'm really curious to they roadmap going forward. I think the handling of upcoming overreaching arches will determine when the MCU will start to lose steam.
I think they'll be able to keep it going for a very long time.
We're getting a Spiderman trilogy, a Dr strange trilogy, a black panther trilogy, probably at least another Thor movie, Captain Marvel is about to arrive, etc. Then there's going to be X-Men (and likely solo movies for some X-Men characters), Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, etc down the line.
There's enough that they've got set
up already to sustain for at least another decade. I think it's even big enough to survive any individual character leaving for any reason.
I'd love to see the contracts that they're offering for new cast members. Probably lots of cameos negotiated ahead of time, and tbh with their advances in CGI they can probably even do CGI versions of characters should an actor die/retire/etc.
They can even make it more accessible when they get all the movies available on their streaming service.
I guess the tricky thing is how to balance telling long arcs whilst also keeping the movies accessible to a general audience not paying too much attention between movies, but they've got a huge established audience, and as long as they keep the quality going, I think people will keep showing up.
We're getting a Spiderman trilogy, a Dr strange trilogy, a black panther trilogy, probably at least another Thor movie, Captain Marvel is about to arrive, etc. Then there's going to be X-Men (and likely solo movies for some X-Men characters), Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, etc down the line.
There's enough that they've got set
up already to sustain for at least another decade. I think it's even big enough to survive any individual character leaving for any reason.
I'd love to see the contracts that they're offering for new cast members. Probably lots of cameos negotiated ahead of time, and tbh with their advances in CGI they can probably even do CGI versions of characters should an actor die/retire/etc.
They can even make it more accessible when they get all the movies available on their streaming service.
I guess the tricky thing is how to balance telling long arcs whilst also keeping the movies accessible to a general audience not paying too much attention between movies, but they've got a huge established audience, and as long as they keep the quality going, I think people will keep showing up.
Not really plausible, IMHO.
The MCU has been around for about 10 years or so by now, but the modern age of "superhero" movies goes back a lot longer. Studios have been cranking out blockbuster Superhero films every couple of years since Superman 1978. It's been **40** years of this, not ten.
The approach may change somewhat (the Superman films are a lot different than the Burton Batman films, which are themselves different from the Schumacher Batman films, which are different from the Sony and Fox movies that predate the MCU, which are different from the Transformers films which many people are surprised to find out is an IP Marvel ALSO created) but it's not realistic to think that audience is going to vanish- especially since the overseas markets are extremely receptive to flashy special effects driven blockbusters and are only getting moreso.
Marvel and DC both own a ton of properties and no one's scratched the surface of those IP portfolios yet. You could scrap every character that's been used in the MCU entirely and make another 10 years of films based just on what hasn't been used, then scrap THAT and do it again for another decade.
Love avengers but agree it cant really work forever. Hope we get more stuff like civil war (with less characters)
Because when I saw Infinity War, I was thinking "this is so safe and by-the-numbers"
I don't think it'll collapse. The thing is, there is so much material in the world of comic books, that even if the more fantastical heroes like Thor, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Iron Man and Spider-Man decline in box office popularity, you still have more down to earth heroes to pick up the slack.
As long as they make the stories worthwhile, I don't see the problem.
I see the MCU as an ideal version of what the comic book industry attempted to do for years with their connected universes ultimately coalescing into annual mega-events. But the rate and quantity of which they put out books came at the sacrifice of quality and a lot of their mega-events had absolutely asinine stories that fans openly rebuked.
People will put in the effort if they hear that the payoff is worth it. That's all there really is to it.
I see the MCU as an ideal version of what the comic book industry attempted to do for years with their connected universes ultimately coalescing into annual mega-events. But the rate and quantity of which they put out books came at the sacrifice of quality and a lot of their mega-events had absolutely asinine stories that fans openly rebuked.
People will put in the effort if they hear that the payoff is worth it. That's all there really is to it.
as opposed to the unforgettable, post-modern cinematography of VENOM
I think it depends on what they do moving forward.
The whole multi-movie arcs building up to a big finale is novel and exciting now but if they pretty much try to repeat the same thing again, I think some of the audience will lose interest.
What comes after phase 3 needs to be very different from what we have now. The fact they're dropping the whole phases concept tells me they realize that.
Well they've been using the Avengers films as "season finales". But after A4, I just don't think there will be an Avengers team anymore.
So was I. Good to know we see eye-to-eye. :^)
Wasn't even talking about cinematography lol
Vision becoming totally helpless in IW when he was basically the OP deus ex machina in AoU is the most egregious example of inconsistent power levels imo.
The connected universe concept is going to stay- it's absolutely their money maker and other studios are desperate to replicate it.
i agree though that we won't see a dozen films culminating in a big "Avengers" movie every couple of years though.
It's a joke. There is no way he would ever accept the role no matter if he was still working or retired.
Not really a "power level" conversation- Vision was severely injured immediately from a surprise attack in IW and was basically fighting crippled, and whatever weapon corvus was using just ignored his ability to phase entirely.
It's a super convenient way to nerf him, but it's not an example of his powers being inconsistent.
I don't think their movies will decay in popularity any time soon. They've pretty much got the right formula for keeping a really big demographic hooked up, here's how it works: The big movie where everyone gets together is accessible for everyone BUT there are a few parts where you won't understand without watching the solo movies so these ones sell relatively good too. I think we'll get another two decades of it.
It already did with Civil War. That was a sloppy stupid mess of a film. But Infinity War recovered nicely.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees that it's going to be impossible to pull off another Thanos situation again.
For what it's worth, I agree 100% with you, regardless of the vitriol that will undoubtedly be thrown at you for this opinion.
This is the guy who asked how Marvel would ever compete with Aquaman in the trailer thread, I'd save your breath if I were you.
10 years ago, it was impossible to pull off an Avengers situation.
6 years ago, it was impossible to pull of a Thanos situation.
the list goes on
Marvel now has Doom, Galactus and the X-Men to play with. Nothing is impossible.
People that over analyze movies all the time make this point about civil war all the time. One thing that get the biggest eye roll from me is hearing Zemo's plan "didn't make sense". I swear people that say that are to busy coming up with reasons for reasons for why a movie is bad instead of enjoying a movie.