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Windows 11 market share continues to decline
- Thread starter Joule
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An install from scratch of WIndows 11 will perform way better than an upgrade from 10.
Just run O&OShutup10++ to shut off telemetry/ads. Use StartAllBack if you hate the Windows 11 start menu/taskbar.
Those all sound great and I shall do this once I get Windows 11 installed.
Yeah THAT will go over well. Good luck with that MSConsumers can start paying Microsoft for more updates like those with Enterprise licenses do so I will assume that the end of support will come as planned.
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Microsoft to offer consumers paid Windows 10 security updates for the first time
The extended support will be an annual subscription.www.theverge.com
very interesting, wonder what price they are going to land on this. Also the ways to get around these patches, the W7 registry trick did that back in the day.
I'm pretty sure this is a complete shift away from developing games with HDD's in mind. It's an actual sea change in the gaming industry.
The answer is it'll be the standard way to develop asset streaming in the very, very near future as it's already a standard/expected feature on consoles. Plus even though the technology is brand new there's almost 20 titles on Steam supporting it.
I know people like to look at this stuff (and raytracing) like some sort of technological gimmick, but it's really not.
I think this user expectation for software compatibility seems reasonable on the face of it, but it comes with all sorts of development costs.
Should the software/game I bought 5 years ago work on my new version of the OS? Probably. How about a game I bought 20 years ago to run on Windows XP? Maybe. You could go back to MSDOS software, and there'll still be users upset that their software won't work on the latest Windows.
Microsoft invests huge amounts in compatibility, and that comes at the cost of other features, and builds up huge technical debt in the OS, that slows down other work.
I don't think that's the wrong choice, but equally I don't think the Proton compatibility approach is wrong either. You can find some older windows games working better in Linux under Proton because each version can match the exact Windows ABI targeted by the game on release. If Steam can tag every game with the Proton version required you'll end up with games that "just run" as you describe.
as long as it's not connected to the internet, that should be fine...
you're not using it to post here, right?
Its actually 12, 1/3 of those are duplicates for demos and betas for games already on the list.
Probably a good 3-5 years before it becomes standard on PC.
I don't really recommend these types of programs as they will break existing features in the future (or even as soon as you switch them) that you will need or it can stop updates from working or an update will break things more due to the setting changes. And then you'll be blaming Windows for being a broken mess.
Take it from me learning those lessons hard already. I've used both of those many times lol
You can just turn most of the telemetry off via the Settings by default.
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Emulation for previous windows versions is pretty handy.
Again, I don't begrudge Protons existence, I think the work Valve is doing with Linux is great. I just work on computers all god damned day long and would rather not work on them when I'm at home.
I didnt know that. Then better to stay with MS if the company you work for is using Teams and all MS related tools. Thanks!
They added "Never combine" for the task bar in an update some time ago finally but then, in typical Microsoft fashion, half-assed it where you can ONLY do that but not the the other things that were standard in previous versions of Windows (small icons, quick launch etc.).
That's.....still ambitious. We had plenty of people bitching and moaning about simply dropping hard drive support, and that happened in the last 2 years. And that's despite SSDs being more or less standard on PCs for almost 10 years now.
Moving to an Gen 3+ NVME-only requirement? That likely won't happen until the next set of consoles release and we get a bunch of cross-gen games.
More games will support it for sure, but not as a hard and fast requirement.
Yup, I got sick of that nonsense really quick. Decided I was done trawling through random githubs and installing 3rd party software to find hacky solutions to make the OS usable which will probably just break again on the next Windows update.
There wasn't a huge push to standardize a SATA III SSD interface with the GPU at all in the 2010's, but all three GPU manufacturers have Directstorage API's ready to go.
I'm fairly certain the next Monster Hunter game is going to be pushing for Directstorage, as well as if the Final Fantasy remakes ever make it to PC.
The truth of the matter is, you're going to have moaners about any push forward. Look at the Apple fans with regards to USB C.
And I still can't drag n' drop files on the new W11 taskbar with UAC disabled. Lol.
7 was the last good Windows.
7 was the last good Windows.
I run a mixed environment, Win10, Win11 and Mac OS and really don't get the hate. Win11 has been fine with zero problems for us.
I use Linux as my daily hacks machine for doing stuff though. So I keep my Win11 work machine pretty standard, out of the box and its smoother and better than Win10 TBH.
I use Linux as my daily hacks machine for doing stuff though. So I keep my Win11 work machine pretty standard, out of the box and its smoother and better than Win10 TBH.
No one at work has been complaining about the machines that have been updated to Windows 11. But, I put together a group policy to disable as much of the garbage in it as I could.
It's hard to go back to Windows 10 now. The UI is too harsh. Metro was a good experiment, but they didn't know what to do with it.
It's hard to go back to Windows 10 now. The UI is too harsh. Metro was a good experiment, but they didn't know what to do with it.
I switch between the two almost daily because we have a windows 11 machine at work that sees common usage, and I don't get the "harsh" argument at all. Is Win11 slightly prettier? Sure! is it also functionally worse in a lot of ways for the sake of that prettiness? IMO, also yes.
I've been daily driving Linux for almost a decade now, no regrets. I still have a Windows install for the occasional fame that just won't play ball. I went the Windows 11 route for my new PC last year and it's ... Fine? It looks pretty and seems fairly responsive. It's just as good and shitty as Windows has been for multiple generations as far as I can see, and I wouldn't use it if I didn't have to.
I have been finding Windows 11 to be a mixed bag but mostly just a direct continuation of Windows 10. It's got a few things I like better and a few annoyances, but overall it's largely the same functionality and experience. I don't think people are fleeing from it en masse, it's just that it doesn't currently offer much of an upgrade over 10.
That's not the flex you think it is.
I hope that desktop is air gapped
Me too! Auto-snap, being able to just write with a pen in text fields, all good stuff.
I don't understand people putting the taskbar on the left but I get the salt, I auto-hide mine and would be pissed if they got rid of that.
Ah, I see. Oh well, at least it's for the best to learn about it and go from there.
This is what I think as well.
It's not bad... it's just a lot of people refusing change. Sure, there are legitimate complaints such as the ads or the fucking garbage search or the non-ability to move the taskbar itself (not the icons on it!) to the left or right side or even top of the screen.
Personally. Zero issues. No ads. Most garbage removed. I even keep my icons on the taskbar centered.
I think the Start menu is super fine - I even like it. The only two things I'd change are:
- When clicking the search, to be able to go back to the start menu without going back and clicking the icon
- Be able to remove "Suggested" entirely.
As for the other complaints, the new left click menu would be cool if you could have the whole menu without clicking "More" and, also, allowing third-party apps to easily add to it. Seeing as most software go and only add itself to the old left-click menu still, it shows me that it's non-trivial to go and add it to the new left-click menu or even use it in their software.
I also remove all bloatware I don't want from the install itself using NTLite (if you make your own, please, test it in a VM!) and I also use that to automatically disable ads, telemetry, auto-dark theme, etc. You can go so much farther by integrating software and drivers to the ISO as well.
But I digress...
I never understood the "high requirement" complaints when, most likely, a lot of these people have a PC that's less than 5 years old - it's just that default BIOS settings are all wrong which makes Win11 non-compatibility trigger. I know you shouldn't have to do that but that one is on hardware manufacturers to not have these enabled by default (TPM and Secure Boot). Also, please, don't use that "Health" software, that's just junk and bugged to all Hell.
I guess we can throw some fuel on the fire.
www.tweaktown.com
Windows 11 is getting more popular - with PC gamers at least
Steam hardware survey is a glimmer of hope for Microsoft, compared to a much more worrying picture that's painted in terms of overall adoption.
www.tweaktown.com
I want the ability in 11 to do icon grouping on the Start Menu like how 10 had. I understand there's third party software, but damn why not make it an option in the default OS.
Other than that I don't really mind 11 at all, using it on unsupported hardware.
Other than that I don't really mind 11 at all, using it on unsupported hardware.
Windows 11 is better than Windows 10 virtually universally, the problem was that upgrading at launch had a much higher bar than normal because OOTB compatibility with older hardware was blocked for ostensibly security reasons, so you had people salty that their hardware didn't work. If you're building a machine today with modern parts you're not going to have any problems.
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I certainly don't like how aggressive MS has been in regards to shoving their bullshit down my throat after I moved to W11. I think MS doesn't understand most people aren't looking to 'join their ecosystem' and like their computer to feel agnostic to that idea, a DIY hodge podge of whatever you want. They've been trying to force this Windows ecosystem nonsense since Windows 8, but now even if I uninstall things or force things out, they suddenly place them back in security updates or some nonsense. No I don't want to use Edge, Onedrive, or Copilot, thanks.
If Fusion 360 easily worked under Linux, I'd switch in an instant. I'm so tired of ads in every aspect of my life. Now Microsoft is popping ads at me while I'm trying to relax and listen to music or whatever. I would even be willing to give up PC gaming at this point.