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Wired does a Musk expose. It's not pretty.

entremet

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This was done by a very good writer and journalist, Charles Duhigg.

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-life-inside-gigafactory/

At about 10 o'clock on Saturday evening, an angry Musk was examining one of the production line's mechanized modules, trying to figure out what was wrong, when the young, excited engineer was brought over to assist him.

"Hey, buddy, this doesn't work!" Musk shouted at the engineer, according to someone who heard the conversation. "Did you do this?"

The engineer was taken aback. He had never met Musk before. Musk didn't even know the engineer's name. The young man wasn't certain what, exactly, Musk was asking him, or why he sounded so angry.

"You mean, program the robot?" the engineer said. "Or design that tool?"

"Did you fucking do this?" Musk asked him.

"I'm not sure what you're referring to?" the engineer replied apologetically.

"You're a fucking idiot!" Musk shouted back. "Get the fuck out and don't come back!"

The young engineer climbed over a low safety barrier and walked away. He was bewildered by what had just happened. The entire conversation had lasted less than a minute. A few moments later, his manager came over to say that he had been fired on Musk's orders, according to two people with knowledge of the situation. The engineer was shocked. He'd been working so hard. He was set to get a review from his manager the next week, and had been hearing only positive things. Instead, two days later, he signed his separation papers.

How the heck you treat your workers like this. This is psychopathic behavior.
 
Spinluck

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Wow, so this guy really is an asshole, sorry ERA.

Thankfully by the time I can actually afford an EV, Tesla will be far from the only good brand on the market :)
 
Kard8p3

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And yet my ex gf has verbally fought with me over how awesome this dude is lmao.
 
Trojita

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"You're a fucking idiot!" Musk shouted back. "Get the fuck out and don't come back!"
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SegFault

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man this feels good for all the times people jumped on my case for correctly stating that Musk is a huge fucking piece of shit.
 
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entremet

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IrishNinja said:
legit don't know why people like this dude, other than the old bit about everyone being temporarily embarrassed millionaires
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It's actually not that hard to see why. Americans love captains of industry. From the oil barons of old, to the Silicon Valley darlings of new.

The issue is that he's treats people like crap consistently. Plus, he is probably surrounded by Yes Men.
 

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So... I guess people admire him because... they want to be more horrible than he is? This is a guy you're supposed to look up to?
 
IrishNinja

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entremet said:
It's actually not that hard to see why. Americans love captains of industry. From the oil Barrons of old, the Silicon Valley darling of new.

The issue is that he's treats people like crap consistently. Plus, he is probably surrounded by Yes Men.
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right, i don't know why we love them either, but that's for another leftist thread haha
 
Stick

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Sounds like a piece of shit.. not hard to believe given the past year though. No one should be surprised.
 
Huncho_Houdini

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He's quite the asshole here.

Regardless of how positively impactful his companies are, Musk seems rather unstable as a person, especially over the events of the past year or so. That's no way to treat anyone, let alone workers of your company.
 
DBT85

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Continues to amaze me just how easily you can get fired in the US.
 
saint

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ppl like him because despite of this he has many positive ventures that are made to further humanity, and I do as well
 
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entremet

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IrishNinja said:
right, i don't know why we love them either, but that's for another leftist thread haha
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America is an immigrant nation, where business success, innovation, and success are our gods. It's not too hard to understand once you understand that. Tocqueville is probably the best to read for a good primer on the American spirit, which is still very pervasive.
 
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entremet said:
It's actually not that hard to see why. Americans love captains of industry. From the oil barons of old, to the Silicon Valley darlings of new.

The issue is that he's treats people like crap consistently. Plus, he is probably surrounded by Yes Men.
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Looks like he's surrounded by yes men because he's prone to firing anyone that's not. =/
 
OgTheEnigma

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I would like to read the article, but the text margins are unbearably narrow. I hate being subjected to shitty mobile web design on a non-mobile device :/
 
Trojita

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Did Jobs ever fire someone he had just met that he didn't even know the name of, blaming them for something that had nothing to do with them?
 
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OgTheEnigma said:
I would like to read the article, but the text margins are unbearably narrow. I hate being subjected to shitty mobile web design on a non-mobile device :/
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Use Read It Later, Pocket, Instapaper, or Reading List if you're a Mac/iOS user. Strips all that formatting.
 
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entremet

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Trojita said:
Did Jobs ever fire someone he had just met that he didn't even know the name of, blaming them for something that had nothing to do with them?
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I would say Jobs was worse. Jobs always created folks like Elon. Jobs gave uber talented executives, especially in tech, a cover to be assholes as long as they produced results. And I say this as a big Apple fan, but I also know the history.
 
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entremet said:
America is an immigrant nation, where business success, innovation, and success are our gods. It's not too hard to understand once you understand that. Tocqueville is probably the best to read for a good primer on the American spirit, which is still very pervasive.
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a few posts in & i was kinda hoping you'd gathered i'm very much american and recognize the social reasons we do this, my question wasn't so much a normative one as it was ethical. i appreciate the sentiment but the post was largely rhetorical.
by nature, these "captains" - not unlike the megalomaniacs that seek office - are horrible people, for reasons i would think obvious (reinforcing of hiearachies & punishment, upward redistribution & hoarding of wealth, consolidation of power often in the interest of business & white supremacy, etc), but here we are

we shouldn't be surprised when said folks act like this, but if it helps more folks see who they really are & how they feel about their respective laborers, i guess that's something
 
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saint said:
ppl like him because despite of this he has many positive ventures that are made to further humanity, and I do as well
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He hasn't made any positive ventures to further humanity, however. He's had remarkable luck marketing himself that way without successes to show for it.
 
Slayven

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entremet said:
I would say Jobs was worse. Jobs always created folks like Elon. Jobs gave uber talented executives, especially in tech, a cover to be assholes as long as they produced results. And I say this as a big Apple fan, but I also know the history.
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Jobs seem to be an all around shitty person, he treated his family like crap. At least we haven't heard Musk do that. On the flipside Musk seems a lot more vocal and unstable
 
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OgTheEnigma said:
Nah, I'm using Windows. I've tried Firefox and Chrome, but the webpage looks horrible on both.
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Yeah, the other services are platform agnostic. Only Reading List is Apple only. But they do the same thing. They're great if you like to read long form stuff online.
 
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IrishNinja said:
legit don't know why people like this dude, other than the old bit about everyone being temporarily embarrassed millionaires
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Don't you know?! He's a mega science god that is supposed to take us into space if we submit to him!

As some people in the old place and here would want you to believe, anyways.

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Did Jobs ever fire someone he had just met that he didn't even know the name of, blaming them for something that had nothing to do with them?
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Pirates of the silicon Valley sure implied he did, but while i don't doubt it, it could be one of the fictionalized bits to make the story more interesting.
 
LabouredSubterfuge

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I still think it would be terrible and a great loss if he wasn't alive anymore. I think that about a lot of billionaires. Would be an incredible loss. I'm feeling sad about it even now.
 
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entremet said:
This was done by a very good writer and journalist, Charles Duhigg.

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-life-inside-gigafactory/

At about 10 o'clock on Saturday evening, an angry Musk was examining one of the production line's mechanized modules, trying to figure out what was wrong, when the young, excited engineer was brought over to assist him.

"Hey, buddy, this doesn't work!" Musk shouted at the engineer, according to someone who heard the conversation. "Did you do this?"

The engineer was taken aback. He had never met Musk before. Musk didn't even know the engineer's name. The young man wasn't certain what, exactly, Musk was asking him, or why he sounded so angry.

"You mean, program the robot?" the engineer said. "Or design that tool?"

"Did you fucking do this?" Musk asked him.

"I'm not sure what you're referring to?" the engineer replied apologetically.

"You're a fucking idiot!" Musk shouted back. "Get the fuck out and don't come back!"

The young engineer climbed over a low safety barrier and walked away. He was bewildered by what had just happened. The entire conversation had lasted less than a minute. A few moments later, his manager came over to say that he had been fired on Musk's orders, according to two people with knowledge of the situation. The engineer was shocked. He'd been working so hard. He was set to get a review from his manager the next week, and had been hearing only positive things. Instead, two days later, he signed his separation papers.

How the heck you treat your workers like this. This is psychopathic behavior.
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This. Pathetic.
 
jelly

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Flying off the handle, working too many hours, lack of sleep, a total prick. Bad mix.
 
CoolestSpot

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You left out this great nugget

"I could go and buy one of the islands in the Bahamas and, uh, turn it into my personal fiefdom," he told reporters in 1999 as they observed him taking delivery of a $1 million McLaren F1 sports car. "But I'm much more interested in trying to build and create a new company." (Musk later crashed the car.)
 
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LabouredSubterfuge said:
I still think it would be terrible and a great loss if he wasn't alive anymore. I think that about a lot of billionaires. Would be an incredible loss. I'm feeling sad about it even now.
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I think he has very well documented talents and still think he willl be a net positive overall.

However, he is horrible with people. Jobs was similar.

Yet, we're in a different era, no pun intended, people do care how public figures treat others. The President notwistanding lol. Not only that, but we have more competition for talent. Would many engineers now want to work for Tesla after reading these antics?

Likability is very important now, especially in the social media age.
 
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