Wkd Box Office - 12•27-29•19 - Little Women Winter invades the box office, as Star Wars drops 59%.
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I'm frankly sick of having to defend what I like and how I like it in bulletpoint or essay form numerous times anytime I express liking something you don't (whether the "you" is directed to you specifically or JB or viper or anybody). I get it if you don't, "oh hey it looks weird, easier target than Star Wars", but meanwhile my posts about hating Star Wars are limited to hating the experience of TROS, how much I think the film sucks in basically every way (good job on bringing
the porgs for a scene
Meanwhile with Cats: I don't think I've had a more fun experience with a musical film in theaters! Maybe I haven't seen the right ones, but I loved the surrealism of the looks and environments, I laughed at a lot of the cheesiness and jokes, I appreciated a surprising amount of the choreography (the Skimbleshanks scene was an immediate highlight that comes to mind) and I dug the music (especially the original song Taylor Swift contributed to the soundtrack which gets its own great unique scene with a different character onscreen) and those two things are basically The reasons to watch musicals in that if they work, so does the film.
A lot of Cats worked wonders for me. If it doesn't or if you can't get past the weirdness (or even weirdness is actively a bad thing for you), that's fine. It's not at all actively a bad thing for me. It actively made this a delight to watch, once and over and over again. There's been something new I've noticed, or a scene that finally clicked, or a song I liked more, each time. There were films I loved even more than this this year, and I think I even mentioned earlier that right now if it's in my top 10 it's just barely rounding out the list, but I don't think I've ever had an experience quite like this in a theater and it's one film I keep coming back to and the feeling doesn't really go away (or at least it hasn't yet) since. Maybe that positive experience all goes away for me when I watch it on a smaller screen, but I really doubt that. This was a lot of fun, and it hasn't really stopped being fun. That's my experience with Cats
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Of all the complaints lobbed against the new SW movies, "Marvel humor" is always the one that struck me the most as bitch-eating-crackers. Gasp, Star Wars has jokes! As if that wasn't true for literally any of the other six movies.
Totally agree. Do the next right thing is also an incredibly emotive song and sends a really positive message on how to deal with grief and depression which I have no doubt will positively impact on thousands of lives.
Fuck yeah, now we're talking. Can't wait to see him save the Suicide Squad franchise two years from now.
Star Wars, as it exists in the hands of Disney, is not a franchise that can sustain a movie every year. Everything feels too samey and not willing to take risks.
That I think is the biggest factor here.
Yeah, all the Star Wars movies have similar tones, visual direction, etc.
If they could mix it up more like Marvel they'd be able to sustain one Star Wars movie a year
My 2019 Top 10:
1. Avengers Endgame
2. Toy Story 4
3. Knives Out
4. Shazam!
5. Frozen 2
6. Spider-Man: Far From Home
7. The Lego Movie 2
8. Crawl
9. Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker
10. Captain Marvel
1. Avengers Endgame
2. Toy Story 4
3. Knives Out
4. Shazam!
5. Frozen 2
6. Spider-Man: Far From Home
7. The Lego Movie 2
8. Crawl
9. Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker
10. Captain Marvel
Tbf they were doing fine until Solo, and Rogue One and Last Jedi had no problem stepping out of the series' comfort zone.
Solo was a huge misfire that Kasdan was pushing for well before the Disney buyout, and Rise of Skywalker just isn't a very well-received movie.
It's not like every single MCU film grosses a billion, they've had some misfires, but you also get 2-3 of those a year so I think it's just easier for them to fade into relative obscurity.
They just need to make the next Star Wars good, and people will see it. More of a simple fix than an easy one, but all the same. Also need to stick to the December release dates, I think Solo would have done much better in that slot.
Top 5 off the top of my head
1) Last Black Man in San Francisco
2) The Irishman
3) Marriage Story
4) The Two Popes
5) John Wick 3
Movies I haven't seen yet, but sure would make my list:
1) Waves
2) Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
3) The Lighthouse
at least you have Shazam and Crawl on there
1) Last Black Man in San Francisco
2) The Irishman
3) Marriage Story
4) The Two Popes
5) John Wick 3
Movies I haven't seen yet, but sure would make my list:
1) Waves
2) Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
3) The Lighthouse
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at least you have Shazam and Crawl on there
I don't know? Probably because it's the best movie of the year and "Show Yourself" is the single greatest Disney song of all time.
i'm in 0 because i used that order when i got the Bluray set back in 2015. rip
where does someone who watched in chronological order fall?
My favorites this year were:
- Parasite
- Avengers: Endgame
- John Wick: Chapter 3
- The Farewell
- Always Be My Maybe
- Knives Out
- Spider-Man: Far From Home
- Midsommar
- Us
- Booksmart
People complained about both of those things (the solo maneuver and the transporter jump), it's just a question of focus in the story. The Holdo maneuver was a thermonuclear bomb in comparison the the other things. Especially given its place in the story and the cost/effect trade off.
They were not doing fine, they were trading long term sustainability and quality for short term profits. Solo wasn't an anomaly but a consequence of the systemic issues they created by mandating such tight production schedules, turnarounds, and hiring decisions.
Even the MCUs relative misfires have outgrossed their previous entries. The reason that StarWars has become saturated, seeing perpetual declines, and the MCU has only grown in frequency and popularity is down the structural and authorial differences, not that 'MCU stinkers can fade into the background'.
The solution to Star Wars isn't to simply release more films. If you want an MCU like operation then you need to structure the productions the same as an MCU mostly linear ongoing multi focused narrative.
And you need to have a lead producer capable of consistently making smart hiring decisions and planning things out well ahead of time, and having a creative vision with good narrative instincts, something Lucasfilms as a whole currently sucks at.
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They made back their investment in Lucasfilm from box office gross alone after just three movies. I'd say fine is an understatement.
Both of these things are irrelevant to the issues. Box office gross is just one, extremely narrow, slice of the overall picture. Why bring them up to argue against systemic issues?
It's true that it featured a lot of retro pandering but was quite different narratively from any of the other films.
Like this is literally the critical consensus on RT:
I'm not aware anything I said was super controversial but here we are.
It's true that it featured a lot of retro pandering but was quite different narratively from any of the other films.
Like this is literally the critical consensus on RT:
I'm not aware anything I said was super controversial but here we are.
This is like arguing that Winter Soldier was a political thriller. Rogue One was an adjustment from the norm about as much as Solo was, but it by no means was outside of their comfort zone or genre staples. The issue withStarWars as compared to the MCU is that it's much harder to make an actually distinctive film when your central defining element is not a character, but a sci fi alien galactic society.
Edit : It should also be pointed out that the massive reshoots it underwent adjusted things to make it even more in line with traditional Star Wars.
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Creating 'OT fanwank' the movie that also focuses on 'gritty warrrrr' as the then next year followup to The Force Awakens was a massive risk, what are you talking about?!
Blaming only them is massively incomplete reading of how the film ended up in this state. There are a lot of issues that have led to this point, leading all the way back to pre TFA. Those things are just as if not more important.
It's ludicrous to only look at them, and to completely ignore all of the compounding issues and shit hand the films production was dealt.
Let's not forget that even the guy who made Star Wars eventually got tired of having to actually produce Star Wars content.
Sounds to me like you're getting a little too invested in your fiction. Your value as a person isn't validated, or invalidated, by the entertainment products you like finding widespread commercial success. Besides, I find it difficult to believe that you haven't at some point criticized somebody else for their entertainment choices.
Naw. Space Leia and a lot of Canto Bight was pretty wrong.
And like TLJ.
Only thing he did wrong was have a good attitude through all this shit and then continue making good flicks.
Lol. Star wars is in trouble because as much as people want something new time and time again has shown that nostalgia tie ins reign supreme.
Will be interesting if Disney says fuck it and finally gets creative which isn't their mo
Since this is the last thread of the year, I feel its appropriate to do this as well.
My Top 10 of 2019 released films I saw this year:
1. Little Women
2. Parasite
3. Midsommar
4. Knives Out
5. Uncut Gems
6. Ford vs Ferrari
7. Frozen II
8. Toy Story 4
9. Ad Astra
10. Avengers Endgame
I have a full list I'll post later, but its not done yet, cause I'm seeing The Lighthouse today, saw Booksmart yesterday and will probably see The farewell and Ready or Not soon and still have to rate Marriage Story as well, so that full list is not done.
I can say I've gone to see 25 movies in theaters this year, for a total of around 40 2019 movies watched this year (the other 15 were home releases). Endgame I saw 6 times, John Wick 3 and Captain Marvel twice for a total of 32 visits to the theater for the year. I usually don't watch bad movies, so the list of movies I truly hated is short, probably only like the bottom 5.
Definitely a record year for me lol.
Without the international box office, it's never gonna be able to be like Marvel and sustain a movie every year. Star Wars not catching on internationally really limits where it can go.
It is unfortunate how much glee people get from tearing these films apart. Especially if they haven't seen it.
My Top 11, 11 because some heathens might say that Klaus doesn't count.
- Knives Out
- Klaus
- Avenger's Endgame
- Spiderman: Far From Home
- How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
- Frozen II
- John Wick Chapter 3: Parabellum
- Booksmart
- Toy Story 4
- Le Mans '66 (Ford VS Ferrari since the US don't know what a Le Mans is).
- Promare
Tbh the quality decline is unbelievable. In script, cinematography, filming. Like shocking LOL
The editing of The Rise of Skywalker feels like something that at times feels fucking criminal.
I might watch Klaus tomorrow, I really like the animation look from what I saw in the trailer
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