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If you give a mouse a cookie...The thread about this rumor kind of drives home my point from earlier. Lots of Playstation and Switch owners asking for HiFi Rush and Grounded. If you don't make people make a hard decision, they simply won't make a hard decision. Sure these games are small, but they add up. And they have value.
" If it is HiFi Rush, why not Grounded? If it is Grounded, why not Pentiment? Why not all of them? I mean, we got Ori on Switch. I'm sure the others could come over. Who knows that else they might bring. I could sit out the Xbox because I have plenty to play on my Switch and some of the games on their system are releasing on my preferred platform. I can wait. It's not like they would start with Forza but who knows..."
Agreed, the potential benefits talked about in the podcast(based on the overview) weren't convincing. The idea that it would lead to people buying a sequel on Xbox or PC is nonsense. Why wouldn't they just assume that it's going to become multiplatform again?
Watch Microsoft do some goofy ahh shit like port Hi-Fi rush to Switch/PS5 and give it a physical release there and not Xbox 🗿
The game is cursed. It was moderately successful on a failed platform, was then ported to a successful platform where it failed, then got a sequel that failed. Best to just let Kat live out her days as Japan exclusive superhero/gaming merch and holiday art fodder. That's all Gravity Rush is good for.
TheUnsungHero26 posted more context from the podcast (I still need to listen to it but im listening to Xbox Two rn)
- Not Redfall lol
- Nate: "View it from the perspective of Microsoft, as a business. If you're bringing select games multiplatform, outside of PC, to Switch and Playstation—your competitor's consoles—you're doing so because you want to expand its reach beyond that of just Xbox itself.
- Pentiment is used as an example. If something like that is ported to Switch and PS, it's already a very well-received game that could sell well, and at this point, it's not driving Game Pass subscriptions. They play it and enjoy it, and then three years later when a sequel comes out, it's exclusive to Xbox/PC, so the only way to play it is to buy it on Xbox, or PC, which MS is ok with.
- "Allows Microsoft to expand their ecosystem, and draw you in when the time is right."
- Nate reiterates that a potential sequel would be exclusive.
- "Microsoft could be partnering with an external publisher to bring the title [Nate] is referring to a multiplatform release."
- He also says they may self-publish
Honestly, I think this could be Killer Instinct. Hi-Fi RUSH is too soon. Killer Instinct anniversary edition just released, they updated some aspects to it, we "know" they are trying to reinvigorate the brand/IP, PlayStation is a huge fighting platform and Sony owns freakin' EVO now.
Killer Instinct 2013 Anniversary Edition out on PlayStation and maybe even Switch 2.
Killer Instinct 2 exclusive?
Though the part about an external publisher bringing it to multiplatform or self-publishing seems... suspect for first-party games. That's like the thing you let a third party XGSP game run with (See: As Dusk Falls and Ori publishing on their own).
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Ok, so I finally had a chance to listen to the podcast (at least, the part on this topic) and there are a few additional points that give more context. It's not Redfall (lol) Nate: "View it from the perspective of Microsoft, as a business. If you're bringing select games multiplatform, outside...www.resetera.com
Is this the type of game that creates ambiguity for the stuff like Halo/Starfield/Hellblade/etc. or is this closer to an ADF?Don't focus on the external publisher bit. It's just mentioned to cover all outcomes & was used as an example citing Ori WotW and As Dusk Falls as games using an external partner vs MS publishing Ori & the Blind Forest.
its Hi-Fi to PS5 isnt itDon't focus on the external publisher bit. It's just mentioned to cover all outcomes & was used as an example citing Ori WotW and As Dusk Falls as games using an external partner vs MS publishing Ori & the Blind Forest.
Exaaaaactly.We pinky promise with the xbox community that this time it will be exclusive!
Maybe after trying a game/series they'll like it enough to invest as opposed to having never tried it? It's much different seeing videos of a game and deciding to invest $500 than playing it yourself and falling for it.
but it was a *fighting* game of the year contender.Killer Instinct was not a GOTY contender in the same year as GTA 5 and The Last Of Us.
Honestly I'd be down for that. Gravity Rush is such an incredible franchise and tbh I'm still mad at Sony for killing Gravity RushHiFi Rush for Gravity Rush. Gives all 3 people with Kat pfp's hope for a sequel from a non existent studio.
Hey hey hey, if Sony actually felt like marketing Gravity Rush 2 it actually would have had a significant chance at success. It's an incredible game and yet it got next to no marketing and Sony just left it out alone to sell next to no copies. I guarantee though that if Sony actually went and ported Gravity Rush 2 to PC and/or Switch, the game would find some level of success.I don't think Gravity Rush needs to fail on yet another platform.
I agree. Especially when people are already making that decision.The thread about this rumor kind of drives home my point from earlier. Lots of Playstation and Switch owners asking for HiFi Rush and Grounded. If you don't make people make a hard decision, they simply won't make a hard decision. Sure these games are small, but they add up. And they have value.
" If it is HiFi Rush, why not Grounded? If it is Grounded, why not Pentiment? Why not all of them? I mean, we got Ori on Switch. I'm sure the others could come over. Who knows that else they might bring. I could sit out the Xbox because I have plenty to play on my Switch and some of the games on their system are releasing on my preferred platform. I can wait. It's not like they would start with Forza but who knows..."
Not sure what it would look like but it would be cool to see Halo and Doom share the same universe.
Sad part is they're genuinely good games. Just weren't appealing in a broad way, and Sony did jack shit to help.Ain't got no disagreements from me, haven't ever played the games.
Honestly I'd be down for that. Gravity Rush is such an incredible franchise and tbh I'm still mad at Sony for killing Gravity Rush
Hey hey hey, if Sony actually felt like marketing Gravity Rush 2 it actually would have had a significant chance at success. It's an incredible game and yet it got next to no marketing and Sony just left it out alone to sell next to no copies. I guarantee though that if Sony actually went and ported Gravity Rush 2 to PC and/or Switch, the game would find some level of success.
Exact same here. Microsoft would be the one handing out their exclusives for extra sales and the added benefit of weakening their platform.Because they didn't do it for Nintendo, they did it because Moon believed that it made sense for the game and Xbox agreed.
Ambiguity in what sense? Exclusivity?Is this the type of game that creates ambiguity for the stuff like Halo/Starfield/Hellblade/etc. or is this closer to an ADF?
Yup, this is probably the reason why Sony has FF7 Remake exclusivity on lock until all 3 parts are out. If FF7R launched on Xbox in 2021 then everyone on Xbox would just thug out the 1 year late port for rebirth and part 3. If I was PS5 only and Hi-fi comes to my console with an announcement of Hi-Fi 2 only for xbox I'm not buying an xbox, I'm waiting for it to come to PS5 because clearly that strat works.Exaaaaactly.
"Here is a game that was exclusive to Xbox! Try it out! But we will never bring the sequel to Playstation. We sure won't no matter what the metrics say. For realsies. pls bye xbox"
Yes. Most folks would not look at an ADF and think "Halo is coming to PS/Switch" but might if it was Gears, just to give a hypothetical.
Hey now, I liked Gravity Rush. It, KZ Mercenary and Teraway are the only reason I bought a Vita. But again, game is cursed. Kat can shift gravity but not away from the failure stuck to her Also Xbox doesn't have gyro so not sure how it would be played to its full potential.Honestly I'd be down for that. Gravity Rush is such an incredible franchise and tbh I'm still mad at Sony for killing Gravity Rush
Hey hey hey, if Sony actually felt like marketing Gravity Rush 2 it actually would have had a significant chance at success. It's an incredible game and yet it got next to no marketing and Sony just left it out alone to sell next to no copies. I guarantee though that if Sony actually went and ported Gravity Rush 2 to PC and/or Switch, the game would find some level of success.
lol, I just thought of the port begging threads based around metrics of how any specific Xbox's first party games are perceived to be performing if they start doing this. I'm totally aware that this in particular is not a problem outside of extremely engaged communities like Resetera but it will be a new frontier of concern trolling. There will be brave trolls blazing new paths across forums and social media for years to come.
I mean they bought Bethesda so they could "deliver great exclusives on platforms where gamepass exists." If it's HFR that completely fits the bill. They already have so many great exclusives on GP on Playstation. Win/win.Exaaaaactly.
"Here is a game that was exclusive to Xbox! Try it out! But we will never bring the sequel to Playstation. We sure won't no matter what the metrics say. For realsies. pls bye xbox"
"Game is an 82? This is definitely coming to Playstation."Hellblade 2 review thread, "I'll wait for the PS5 version". It's Pandora's Box.
Yeah, I started looking at GotY blogpost for something else, and I keep coming back to this.Killer Instinct was not a GOTY contender in the same year as GTA 5 and The Last Of Us.
I remember Max making a video asking for a JI 2013 Port for the Switch, after its development stopped in 2017. Maybe it's something on this, and Sony owning Evo would make a KI 2013 Port to other platforms clever.
lol, I just thought of the port begging threads based around metrics of how any specific Xbox's first party games are perceived to be performing if they start doing this. I'm totally aware that this in particular is not a problem outside of extremely engaged communities like Resetera but it will be a new frontier of concern trolling. There will be brave trolls blazing new paths across forums and social media for years to come.
They call it the Series X, because you 'cross' your feet over, turn 360 degrees and walk away.
Not sure what it would look like but it would be cool to see Halo and Doom share the same universe.
Someone earlier in the thread said it might be coming from pressure above him (Satya and maybe Amy from the side) and I can't imagine any other reason to do it if you care about growing the Xbox ecosystem. It's pretty much a play for short-term extra quarterly cash at the expense of the Xbox brand imo.It's a path I wouldn't walk down personally but I'm not Phil Spencer.
It was for different reasons, but Hellblade 2 and TOW 2 will be interesting tests of multiplatform games going exclusive for the sequel.
I wouldn't put it on the same tier as Halo/Gears but I'd put it higher than ADF. I wouldn't use the game in question as a barometer for MS' multiplat strategy, as it remains a case by case basis.Yes. Most folks would not look at an ADF and think "Halo is coming to PS/Switch" but might if it was Gears, just to give a hypothetical.
We already saw this on a smaller and related level with Rise of the Tomb Raider being timed exclusive for a year.Yup, this is probably the reason why Sony has FF7 Remake exclusivity on lock until all 3 parts are out. If FF7R launched on Xbox in 2021 then everyone on Xbox would just thug out the 1 year late port for rebirth and part 3. If I was PS5 only and Hi-fi comes to my console with an announcement of Hi-Fi 2 only for xbox I'm not buying an xbox, I'm waiting for it to come to PS5 because clearly that strat works.
I wouldn't put it on the same tier as Halo/Gears but I'd put it higher than ADF.
Well that eliminates Forza Horizon from contention.I wouldn't put it on the same tier as Halo/Gears but I'd put it higher than ADF. I wouldn't use the game in question as a barometer for MS' multiplat strategy, as it remains a case by case basis.
Lmao realSo the most quintessential Xbox associated IPs vs a small/niche 3rd party published game is the range. Lmao.
No shade just hilariously framed.
Someone earlier in the thread said it might be coming from pressure above him (Satya and maybe Amy from the side) and I can't imagine any other reason to do it if you care about growing the Xbox ecosystem. It's pretty much a play for short-term extra quarterly cash at the expense of the Xbox brand imo.
We are more likely to see another Gravity Rush game than one starring the character in your profile pic, let's keep it a 💯The game is cursed. It was moderately successful on a failed platform, was then ported to a successful platform where it failed, then got a sequel that failed. Best to just let Kat live out her days as Japan exclusive superhero/gaming merch and holiday art fodder. That's all Gravity Rush is good for.
"Hellblade 3 and TOW 3 were just announced. Why not put HB2 and TOW2 on Playstation and Switch? The first ones were on there and it's not like they are selling a ton of copies now. I could see it. They did bring over Hi-Fi Rush and Ori before the sequels. I sat out HB2 and TOW2 because I don't have an Xbox but I played the first ones and liked them. And who knows? Maybe the sequels will come to Playstation and Switch sooner?"It was for different reasons, but Hellblade 2 and TOW 2 will be interesting tests of multiplatform games going exclusive for the sequel.
Thank you very much for the clarification :)I wouldn't put it on the same tier as Halo/Gears but I'd put it higher than ADF. I wouldn't use the game in question as a barometer for MS' multiplat strategy, as it remains a case by case basis.
I don't think the situation you're describing would lead to many sales. I think that it's a flawed conceptMaybe after trying a game/series they'll like it enough to invest as opposed to having never tried it? It's much different seeing videos of a game and deciding to invest $500 than playing it yourself and falling for it.
Listening to the podcast, the first party game has to be kind of "old" and have an incoming sequel because they talk a lot about how this could be an experiment to expand the franchise, create new users and "bait" them for the exclusive sequel.