I do agree it's a lot of money but the proprietary SSD pricing is not so excessive. The 1tb Samsung 980 Pro is $230 which is about the same while also being nvme and pcie 4. The tech is just so new that prices are going to be high for a while. We'll see how rapidly and aggressively Microsoft reduces the price as it gets easier and cheaper to make but for now IMO it's not a cash grab.
Anyone know if Local network transfer from Xbox One to Series X is confirmed to be supported? That would be a huge timesaver and I would assume so if all of the console families share the same OS. Would be a wise chose for bandwidth capped folks as well.
These sorts of things would be far less annoying if they stopped with the bullshit metric/binary calculations. They sell you on one while the formatting process uses another.
Just provision and market the drive on what the formatted capacity is, dammit!
Just provision and market the drive on what the formatted capacity is, dammit!
No different from last gen. If you're that concerned about it, buy an external SSD or the expandable nvme. There is a reason these consoles are only $499.
I have a 2 Tb cold storage external hard drive. It's not like you play 8 games at once. Swap them out as they're needed. Problem solved.
Damn thats a bummer, lots of messing around to sort out whats on and what's off the drive. I won't be paying for extra storage till prices drop though.
Are you not comparing the price of a 7GB/s SSD with a 2.4GB/s read speed? Not that there isn't some reason for the proprietary to be more expensive than a similarly fast drive, but the XSX SSD is not cutting edge speed wise.
I'm not the type of person who needs a ton of games downloaded at once, but thinking about memory stuff today is part of why I cancelled my pre-order for the S. The convenience of more space (especially if subscribed to GamePass), more powerful hardware, etc. is well worth it for $200 if you're someone who plays games at least somewhat often. Even with the 1TB drive, it's hard to predict how many huge next gen games that would hold in say 2-3 years.
I was planning on using an external USB drive with an S but even that will get annoying if I end up having to transfer stuff often.
Pricing in Canada isn't too terribly off.
~$250 for a 1TB Samsung 970 nvme @ ~3500 MB/s R/W
$299 for the Xbox thinger
Yup.
Comparing the Series SSD cards to the EVO 980 makes it look bad for MS they that are damn near identical in price.
Step 1: Transfer a game from internal storage to external drive, or vice versa.
Step 2: Take a shit. Play with your kid(s) and/or pet(s). Watch something on YouTube.
Step 3: Play the game when the transfer is complete.
It's really not a big deal. I know speed/efficiency is all the rage with these consoles, but the reality is that regardless of how much storage they shipped with we'd eventually be cycling games on/off of the internal storage. I'm not sure why people are surprised or disappointed by this news?
You can get a good external M2 NVME enclosure for around $50 and a decent 1 TB NVME M2 drive (speeds similar to what the XSX is expected to get) for around $100-125. So you're looking at $150-175 all in. That being said, the one in XSX is a smaller form factor and is PCI4.0, which is still expensive. To get a PCI4.0 M2 drive with enclosure you're probably looking at $250.
You'll be capped by USB speeds with a setup like this most likely.
930GB - 128GB = 802GB for Series X
128GB / 16GB of RAM = ~ 8 games suspended
~8 games * 10GB RAM = 80 GB
465GB - 80 GB = 385GB usable for Series S
That's just a guess.
Sure, but if it's an SSD, you'll cap out at ~900 MegaBytes/s R/W with the 3.1 USB ports on the X, not bad for older games, or transferring new ones as "cold storage". Not bad at all.
128GB / 16GB of RAM = ~ 8 games suspended
~8 games * 10GB RAM = 80 GB
465GB - 80 GB = 385GB usable for Series S
That's just a guess.
Sure, but if it's an SSD, you'll cap out at ~900 MegaBytes/s R/W with the 3.1 USB ports on the X, not bad for older games, or transferring new ones as "cold storage". Not bad at all.
Oh not most likely, most definitely. XSX only uses 3.1 Gen1 which caps at 625 MB/s.
They both messed up already honestly, 700-802 usable is pretty damn bad. The sizes should have been twice what they are. Any serious gamers buying this hardware are going to be in the market for more storage IMMEDIATELY, and thats just kinda sad.
Forgive my ignorance, but considering the OS of the XSX is something like 128 GB, wouldn't that make the PS5 697 GB if it had the same exact OS size? Where does the 550 come from? That's like almost 150 off.
I expect XSS will come in somewhere around ~350 GB when all is said and done, which is not a lot but probably workable. People forget that major blockbuster XSS games will be a good 20-30 GB smaller than their XSX version, so that will help some, but it will still be tight.
Probably. I'm just guessing based on nothing at all. But can you make a prediction then based on what you know? Genuinely curious!
I already have too many games already. I have a 2TB HDD in my PS4 Pro, and it's nearly 3/4 full.
I can thin it down to 600MB to be honest, there are a lot of big titles like RDR2 I could offload that I just haven't got around to finishing. But it would be a struggle.
This is why:-
I can thin it down to 600MB to be honest, there are a lot of big titles like RDR2 I could offload that I just haven't got around to finishing. But it would be a struggle.
This is why:-
- The offload/unload from an external HDD functionality needs to be polished and easy - saw the preview for Xbox's today, looked slick and intuitive. Hope Sony has something similar.
- I have no interest in Gamepass. I already have far, far too many games to play. Even if I unsubscribed to my existing PSN library (100+ games there now), and just played single player titles, I still have too many!
....and if it's anything like my PS4 it won't install a 18 gig game when I supposedly have 28 gig left. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️😭
They didn't mess up, they just released consoles without HDD which was the right decision.
There is no reality where you get more SSD space at the current costs which are already losing money on each console shipped.
And the cost would have been unbearable for the consumer if they shipped with more SSD space and bumped up the price.
Lack of free space is literally the only caveat, but it's fine, PS3 launched with 20GB, PS4 launched with 500GB, they slowly upgraded retail models with more storage, and both are upgradable for existing buyers.
This is just the reality of current SSD costs. Lets hope they come down over the next few years and don't go up, then we will have a default model @ 1.5TB on both and no one will think bout it again.
128GiB-(Amount of next-gen games that can be suspended)*[(RAM allocated for games on XSX)-(RAM allocated for games on XSS)]
My best guess would be ~16GiB less. Slightly more.
So I'm off by ~30GB with the quick-poor napkin math. Not bad.
350GB though... ouchies
My launch PS3 had 20GB. I managed.
Selling $230 capacity upgrades and future higher capacity/slim console revisions is part of the profit game.
Selling $230 capacity upgrades and future higher capacity/slim console revisions is part of the profit game.
Always has been. But I wouldn't be surprised if more manufacturers begin to make the expansion cards in the future, thus bringing the price down.
You cannot just make up a fact, and then criticize that XSS on that fact that you just made up....
Well, unless MS actually nerfs the OS in Series S, it's likely.
S will have .93X512=476GB after formatting (not opinion, fact). The next part is how much is the OS, if it's 128 like the X, it will leave 348. Otherwise you have to believe MS will reduce the size of the OS on the S somehow.
Either way there's no way S has more than ~400 GB after everything, and far more likely the number starts with a 3.
Same goes for PS5. .93X825=767 is our starting point. Almost certainly PS5 storage out of the box will start with a 6.
K. And PS5/X can store like 4-5 CoDs then. Who cares. It's fast and you can use a USB (that most people upgrading already have) to store everything for later.
Smart delivery is suppose to reduce file sizes because XSS versions use lower textures. Things like CoD are not the norm in the industry. It's basically 3 games in terms of file size, SP/MP/Warzone and it's bloated size has alot to do with how the game was built to look and run as good as it does on current gen hardware.
Most people play 4 retail games a year. The average consumer won't care about managing the fridge as much as people like to complain they will. Those that do and are precious about keeping games they haven't played in a year can still manage cold storage HDDs next to their SSD
Why doesn't Xbox One use Smart delivery right now? It should use lower textures than Xbox One X...which will use larger textures than One S.
COD is just the first to 200. I can 100% promise, it will not be the last. These things only go one direction, just like bandwidth, cpu cores, RAM, your phone required storage, or anything else, it's how we advance. Next gen assets require more storage.
I also think cold storage on a console supposedly focused on the no tech savvy Wal Mart crowd, AND a console for the ultra frugal, is problematic on both counts.
931GiB is what you'd get with an HDD.
Flash storage/SSDs are even smaller since they use some capacity for over-provisioning.
Because there are no multiple Xbox One versions. The One X doesn't use 4k textures, it just brute forces the resolution of the base XBO version.
I just don't think this will be as big of an issue as you seem to think. 200GB service games are NOT the norm and will never be the norm. Games that add maps and skins at the rate CoD does are incredibly rare (name another) and games that have run for the ENTIRE generation ike Warframe and MMOs like FF14 have stayed far far under even 100GB. They even went down in size as compression techniques get more advanced. Again, enthusiasts overestimate how precious a parent who only has time for madden and CoD and an occasional tentpole release every year are precious with managing data
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So i just found this floating around from flipcart. This is very interesting because ive been seeing in threads that xbox series x is 931gib, but this would suggest its actually either 1024gib or 957gib. 1024 would makes alot more sense considering we know the series is 512. Also, windows uses gibibytes instead of gigabytes so this also falls in line with the theory.
I mean i find this more worrying for my Series S than my X. Will wait anxiously to see what that looks like in terms of usable space. Also the implications for the 825GB PS5 drive looking like after formatting and OS might be sitting around ~700-740GB is also not that great.