So if someone goes into a burning building to, idk, try and save their child, or an old person, they deserve to be burned? No one deserves harm like that. The idea that you think someone could 'deserve' something like just exposes how fucking devoid of empathy you are. It's gross.
The OP provides context about what Evin Prison's reputation is like. Someone else posted the wikipedia page for the prison. Go read the provided information before spouting off your ignorance.
The disconnect comes from the word "deserve". It is statistically possible to die in a plane crash but no one deserves to die in a plane crash. Something being statistically probable (like being burned in a burning building) or improbable (like being on a plane that crashes) does not mean people should accept or even cheer for someone suffering the statistic distribution of consequence. Words like "deserve" and "should" imply a moral obligation rather than a purely logical one, at least to me.
I was going to write something about this angle but got sidetracked by the "victim blaming" discussion. Yes, I agree. The idea that a lot of white liberal kids are blind to their own privilege is a symptom of the systemic blindness that continues to brush aside the rights and dignity of non-whites, who're under threat every day in these countries that coddle and ensconce their wealthy and white citizens. If they can't even recognize their own privilege how can they recognize if someone else's privilege is under attack in an ostensibly liberal society?
This is all true but none of it justifies the imprisonment and possible torture of these two individuals. You can recognize the broader societal problem and still have empathy for these two human beings who are likely being subjected to horrible treatment and conditions.
I think I'm in the same boat as you. I don't think this is so much of victim blaming as it is just using some common sense. If a person burns his hand on a stove because he wants to feel the heat who do you blame, the person or the stove?
Conservatives generally don't visit these countries because they're deathly afraid of them already, only liberals do.
Because you are justifying the dehumanization and inhumane treatment of people on the basis of an arbitrary 'crime' committed. The 'crime' here was using a drone to film themselves. The 'crime' migrants are committing is crossing the border. Neither one justifies the kind of treatment they are receiving. That's the point
I think you are confused, I agree they did a stupid thing, but when I say people need therapy , I mean the people saying "idiots, they deserve whatever horrific thing is happening to them" , that should not be a normal train of though, yes , they should have researched the laws better, but saying people deserve to be hurt/tortured is not healthy or normal...so yea, those kinds of people need some therapy.
I care about them all. All you are doing here is saying 'people dehumanize others so it's ok to dehumanize these people'. No, it isn't. We should see the humanity in everyone.
You act like most liberals are like this. It comes across as a lame attempt at both siding. Like this is a Fox News argument.
I think you misunderstood, I was simply explaining the comparison, not accusing you specifically of anything.
I agree with you. This forum is a cesspool when something is deemed acceptable.
No, I'm saying only someone raised in a liberal bubble could conceive of this. Like I said:
Which is why non-whites from the same countries and cultures don't pull dumb stunts like this. It is the difference between being raised in a developed nation and understanding how privilege stratifies people according to their skin color/sex/wealth... and not understanding it and just thinking these were protections given to you by the universe and would follow you across the world.
Don't play dumb and educate yourself on the state of certain countries. Get out of the "safe space" bubble and you'll realise the world is a mean and nasty place where you can't go around doing dumb shit without paying the price.
Ignorance exists regardless of political ideology. You're generalizing too much. You keep acting like everyone with "white privilege" goes around and does this meanwhile the people with actual white prividge is funding the shit that leads to all the hostility and Iran and the rest of the Middle East. You can use any term but "liberal bubble". It's inaccurate and it sounds like something Fox News would say.
The trip can be not 'innocent' by your measure and the result still be incredibly horrible for these people.
That's not why the comparison was made, the comparison was made because the rhetoric and victim blaming from those seeking to dehumanize the victims is similar and relies on similar justifications. Sure, being a refugee is a calculated risk...but that doesn't give the argument "you broke the law, now we get to torture you" any more legitimacy. It doesn't have legitimacy in this case either.
I'm saying this specific kind of ignorance is grown in liberal cultures. The kind of ignorance that's grown in conservative cultures would prevent them from ever setting foot outside their "home", or make sure they're always around "
