I mean, Star War is heavily inspired by Hidden Fortress. Just because a story can work in a different genre or context doesn't disqualify from being a part of the genre that it's in. Or do Magnificent Seven and Fistful of Dollars not qualify as westerns because you could set them in feudal Japan, change the gunslingers to samurai, and their central plots wouldn't changeOr nearly all science-fiction, because aliens and magic are equally imaginary. The only difference is that one feels more plausible than the other. I think magic is disqualifying as a genre convention, but even thinking about it in terms of "qualifying" is misguided. Star Wars is fundamentally a fairy tale. The machinery is set-dressing. If it was set on the high seas instead of the cosmos the story would not change one iota.
1/2. Interstellar and Blade Runner 2049.
3. The Matrix.
4. Inception.
5. Star Wars.
6. Terminator 2.
7. Robocop.
8. Star Trek.
9. Dredd.
10. Prometheus.
This decade has been really fantastic for sci-fi. And don't forget we're actually getting a Denis Villeneuve Dune movie to close out the 2010s
Some genres are substantive and some are not. Samurai movies and westerns are often interchangeable because those genres describe aesthetic. Serling's contention is that science-fiction drives at the spirit of the story itself, or at least a part of it, and I agree with him. I don't think Star Wars fulfills Serling's definition for science-fiction. The sci-fi backdrop is just aesthetic. It isn't speculative.I mean, Star War is heavily inspired by Hidden Fortress. Just because a story can work in a different genre or context doesn't disqualify from being a part of the genre that it's in. Or do Magnificent Seven and Fistful of Dollars not qualify as westerns because you could set them in feudal Japan, change the gunslingers to samurai, and their central plots wouldn't change
I don't that saying aliens and magic are equalizent has much truth to it, especially with how sci-fi uses the former compared to how magic is often presented. In the Science Fiction OT (yes, there's a dedicated Sci-fi OT), I put this quote in the heading
"Fantasy is the impossible made probable
Science fiction is the improbable made possible", by Rod Serling
I think that's a succinct explanation for what separates sci-fi from fantasy. Of course science fantasy straddles the two, but the fantasy in that subgenre often is a matter of far-future super-advanced tech, or lost precursor tech among post-post-apocalyptic feudal society
This decade has been really fantastic for sci-fi. And don't forget we're actually getting a Denis Villeneuve Dune movie to close out the 2010s
Isn't it extremely reductive to say that the genre labels of samurai and western movies are based on aesthetic, and thus interchangeable? Aesthetic isn't what makes them "interchangeable"; the themes, characterizations and roles that the archetypes play in the setting and in the public consensus of the setting, the kinds of stories told in those genres and how they reflect societal themes are much more potent defining traits than merely aesthetic.Some genres are substantive and some are not. Samurai movies and westerns are often interchangeable because those genres describe aesthetic. Serling's contention is that science-fiction drives at the spirit of the story itself, or at least a part of it, and I agree with him. I don't think Star Wars fulfills Serling's definition for science-fiction. The sci-fi backdrop is just aesthetic. It isn't speculative.
I didn't like it either lol... just put it there because I couldn't think of anything else. I'd probably switch Prometheus to 9 only because the visuals were stunning (didn't particularly like the movie though).Many people like Dredd. It's kind of a cult classc now. I don't get, I really didn't like. Like Looper, Moon and Fury Road, I though it was one of those overrated Sci fi movies.
Like Looper, Moon and Fury Road, I though it was one of those overrated Sci fi movies.
I think Dredd is a decent action movie with some really good scenes, but it was elevated due to being the first notable R-rated action flick in a while after a stretch of studios doing a lot of PG-13 action movies. After Dredd came John Wick, Kingsman, The Last Stand, The Equalizer, Riddick was R again after Chronicles was PG-13, Olympus Has Fallen, etcI didn't like it either lol... just put it there because I couldn't think of anything else. I'd probably switch Prometheus to 9 only because the visuals were stunning (didn't particularly like the movie though).
It is extremely reductive, but that's what genre does. Western and samurai describe setting. "Science-fiction" as a genre actually alludes to the author's purpose.Isn't it extremely reductive to say that the genre labels of samurai and western movies are based on aesthetic, and thus interchangeable? Aesthetic isn't what makes them "interchangeable"; the themes, characterizations and roles that the archetypes play in the setting and in the public consensus of the setting, the kinds of stories told in those genres and how they reflect societal themes are much more potent defining traits than merely aesthetic.
The action scenes are definitely great, but the movie overall wasn't that exciting imo.I think Dredd is a decent action movie with some really good scenes, but it was elevated due to being the first notable R-rated action flick in a while after a stretch of studios doing a lot of PG-13 action movies. After Dredd came John Wick, Kingsman, The Last Stand, The Equalizer, Riddick was R again after Chronicles was PG-13, Olympus Has Fallen, etc
I like Dredd most for its gritty grungy cyberpunk world, rather than for its action and story
I'd argue that what separates sci-fi action from sci-fi with action is how and if the story explores the themes and questions its world presents or if it uses the world as a framework for action. I'd say that Fury Road is the latter, while Robocop is 100% the former. There are shootouts and gore and such but the juxtaposition between Murphy the man and Murphy the machine is always at the forefront, always riding a fine line between cool and tragic.In alphabetical order:
Lots like Fury Road and Robocop bleed into action for me, but I would be comfortable with them being on the list.
- Blade Runner 2049
- Brazil
- Children of Men
- Cloud Atlas
- Jurassic Park
- Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
- Serenity
- Starship Troopers
- Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
- Wall-E
You mean 2001? It's one of the best sci-fi movies ever madeWhat's with all the 2002 space odyssey mentions? Such a drab, boring and overrated movie
Magic Mushroom Is The Abyss horror or more sci-fi mystery/adventure? I've never seen it. Also are you on Letterboxd?
This is hard, as sci-fi as a genre produced so many classics. In no particular order:
1. The Matrix - The movie that got me into philosophy. A Splinter in Your Mind is a good book about that by the way. Kick-ass action as well.
2. Robocop - Immensely quotable and very smart, it's satire of corporate greed is even more relevant now than during its release.
3. Eternal Sunsine of the Spotless Mind - The best movie about love ever made.
4. Interstellar - A movie that asks relevant questions. Is our pioneeeing spirit gone? Shouldn't we start looking beyond Earth as we're doing such a bang-up job of destroying it? Amazing visuals backed by Kip Thorne's science, great performances, an amazing soundtrack and the docking scene is one for the ages.
5. 2001 A Space Odyssey - Probably the best and most beautiful movie about the mysteries and grandeur of space and life itself. The symmetrical shots are works of art.
6. Her - A post-cyberpunk movie that explores our relationship with technology in a manner few movies do and certainly not as heartfelt as this one does.
7. Star Wars The Last Jedi - The most progressive, subversive, beautiful and best Star Wars movie ever made. Fight me, haters.
8. Alien - I'm a massive sucker for space horror - from Dead Space to Blindsight - and this masterpiece is the granddaddy of them all.
9. Starship Troopers - Verhoeven and Neumeiers brilliant dissection of fascism. A post 9-11 movie, made before 9-11 had happened. Visionary brilliance.
10. The Abyss - The Terminator films are awesome as well, but this movie about aliens warning us is pretty topical if you replace nuclear weapons with climate change. Cameron is often praised as a brilliant technical director, and rightly so, but he absolutely nails the characters and the emotions here as well. The scene in which Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio has to drown is harrowing and brilliantly acted by her and Ed Harris. I'm a sucker for underwater movies (and games, hello SOMA) as well.
Will dabble in the official sci-fi thread later.
Silent Running
Sunshine
Ex Machina
2001: A Space Odyssey
Alien
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
Blade Runner
Solaris (2002)
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)