Zoomers don't appreciate older games.
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I'm an older millennial who got his first taste of gaming on cassette-loaded C64 clones, and I don't have any nostalgia related to them. The only interesting thing about them is the SID music. Same with NES games. I received as a gift one of those early-90s NES clones that Eastern Europe was full of at the time, so I played a lot of stuff. I only like the music.
Nor do I have any nostalgia related to the crappy fixed camera angles and bad controls of the early 3D console ports (always been a mainly PC gamer). Though, in fairness, at the time the PS1 was making rounds, I was typing POOSLICE into Syndicate Wars's login screen.
Heck, I find even a lot of early PC games (basically everything pre-1992) a chore to play due to poor mouse integration.
Nor do I have any nostalgia related to the crappy fixed camera angles and bad controls of the early 3D console ports (always been a mainly PC gamer). Though, in fairness, at the time the PS1 was making rounds, I was typing POOSLICE into Syndicate Wars's login screen.
Heck, I find even a lot of early PC games (basically everything pre-1992) a chore to play due to poor mouse integration.
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The real talk is that EVEN most millennials don't appreciate old games. Most people have a pretty limited palette when it comes to that stuff and it does make me sad, not much you can do about it though. You either have that desire to seek out everything gaming has to offer and are able to acclimate to different (= not better or worse) design approaches of generations past.
Jesus where to start
Nah I don't have time for all this I'll just say two things.
1. Call of Duty just dropped like a 60 gig patch so please don't tell me they don't know the struggles of running out of space.
2. Many boomers don't give credit to the games of today. Like Fortnite, for example, is a generational game with a completely original gameplay mechanic. Yet there's plenty of people who refuse to give it credit.
The highlights of BK and BT are really good. I really have fond memories of the whole ending sequence of BK. And some of the writing was great. The graphics and art are all top notch.
But man they have you do a lot of bullshit and some of it just feels like busywork that is not fun.
Same for video games then.
But real talk its hard to find people who would be interested in that. Like I watch some old movies that look interesting , but most of the time i'd watch it alone since nobody else is interested. Same deal for video games , I'd be one of the few who would go back and play Genesis/SNES games when the PS2 was out. Because not every PS2 game that came out was actually that appealing.
Consuming older media is something that is rare in general. Not just videogames.
My first console I bought after the GameCube (in 2002) was a Wii U in 2014 and then moved on to the Switch when it released.
Overall, I was surprised by how little things have changed. We can create massive worlds by '02 standards, but the fundamental aspects of gameplay are still relatively the same as they were since that generation.
Also, I'll point out that some genres are arguably much better during the older generations (2D fighters, shmups, arcade racers...maybe platformers?) than anything from the past 10-15 years.
Overall, I was surprised by how little things have changed. We can create massive worlds by '02 standards, but the fundamental aspects of gameplay are still relatively the same as they were since that generation.
Also, I'll point out that some genres are arguably much better during the older generations (2D fighters, shmups, arcade racers...maybe platformers?) than anything from the past 10-15 years.
I do not see what element of Banjo-Kazooie classifies as bullshit. It is very dense and even is light on mini games (which was a bit of an issue with its successors DK64 and Tooie).
I mean....its only natural. Without cultural context, plenty of art loses meaning for subsequent generations.
Like, I was born in '85. And outside of "I like knowing my history", I really don't mess with much older than myself. I have no connection to it.
Also, games are different than movies, or music in the way they iterate, and frequently have a reach that exceed their grasp from a technology standpoint. There are many albums from the early days of rock that were executed exactly how the artists wanted them to turn out. I'd hazard that not a single Atari 2600 game didn't have greater aspirations than what was eventually released, but the tech of the time held them back. Visions like that are hard to go back and appreciate as complete works outside of academic interest.
Like, I was born in '85. And outside of "I like knowing my history", I really don't mess with much older than myself. I have no connection to it.
Also, games are different than movies, or music in the way they iterate, and frequently have a reach that exceed their grasp from a technology standpoint. There are many albums from the early days of rock that were executed exactly how the artists wanted them to turn out. I'd hazard that not a single Atari 2600 game didn't have greater aspirations than what was eventually released, but the tech of the time held them back. Visions like that are hard to go back and appreciate as complete works outside of academic interest.
You mean the age of awful 60 to 50Hz conversions?
I feel blessed to have never actually experienced those dark times.
I feel blessed to have never actually experienced those dark times.
The collecting of things was just not fun at times. You would just have to be meticulous in how you approached a level but it was not especially enjoyable for me. To be fair at times I did have fun with it too.
The boss battles and some elements were amazing, but a lot of the gameplay could be a chore (at least for me).
I really like the 16-bit era, and I quite like the gamecube and after, but phew, for a while there, it was really easy not to care about games. When Spyro the Dragon was a major icon, that was a bad time.
But I've been catching up a little! Just started Banjo-Kazooie, and I definitely think it is the best game of its sort that I know of, including Mario 64.
But I've been catching up a little! Just started Banjo-Kazooie, and I definitely think it is the best game of its sort that I know of, including Mario 64.
I do not think that is an aging issue though, because if you do not like collectibles as structuring mechanisms, then the game cannot be very fun to you.
Fun fact: The whole game has no boss battles except for the final boss (I still feel you mix up Kazooie and Tooie a bit).
And yet, which of these three franchises has a beautiful modern remaster?
The end of the '90s? I was too busy playing Half-Life, Unreal Tournament, Ocarina of Time, Xenogears, Soul Calibur, Planescape: Torment, Crazy Taxi, System Shock 2, Sonic Adventure, etc. to give a shit about Spyro.
I was generally talking about both games. And honestly it has been a long time since I played them. I have some really positive memories of both and some not as good.
I don't mind collectibles or any form of gameplay, but the process has to be fun. And sometimes I felt it was just not fun, at least to me. But I am glad I played them.
Hey if they have infinite coins...
I miss cheaper official controllers.
You are right about the rest of the list.
This. And I would agree that it's even more applicable to games. If you were born after Rocky was made, yeah it looks old, but it's still a hell of a story and movie. Street Fighter 2, for example, was a hell of a game in its day, but outside of historical context, why would anyone even bother with it today? There are dozens, if not hundreds of games, many by Capcom themselves, that look, sound, and play vastly better than SF2.
Games have a more "replacement" feel than other art forms. This isn't a bad thing either, in fact it makes games more accessible to newer generations. To your point, why play the original SF2 when there are a bunch of other iterations of SF2 alone, let alone other entries in the series.
I'm a millennial, the oldest console my family had growing up was a SNES. I never understood the hype behind SMB3, because I grew up playing SMW. Played it on the NES at a barber shop and was less than impressed.
Fast forward a few years and Nintendo ports the all stars version to GBA as Super Mario Advance 4. Playing that with some modern QOL enhancements (or what I assume are) really helped me appreciate the level design, art and music.
A big part of it is that Nintendo is constantly rekindling their legacy through new consoles/games that are closely related to their inheritance and these new games aren't just marginal releases but some of the most popular of the current generation therefore it's only natural that there is a Nintendo's bias for classic content.
The whole Nintendo business vert on making their games feeling "classic" and "timeless".
I'm on the Millennial/Gen Z border. I grew up with the Ps1, but I can't go back to that gen because the graphics and controls have aged like milk. For the most part, I don't really care for 2D games of the NES/SNES era either. I have a few big standouts that I love (Tetris, Punch Out!!), but I wouldn't be bothered if I could never play any of those games again.
Nope not all of us did, I grew up with the snes. I'm 34 and still a millennial lol.