If T'Challa actually didn't die and didn't submit, he didn't lose.
If Kilmonger actually cared about their traditions for any reason besides gaining power, he would have fought T'Challa 1 on 1 when he returned but he didn't care.
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CinemaSins - Black Panther
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If Kilmonger actually cared about their traditions for any reason besides gaining power, he would have fought T'Challa 1 on 1 when he returned but he didn't care.
I mean, people call it shit, actual fans get up in arms over getting roasted
Not really a hissy fit. The channel is just garbage and incredibly popular. It was bound to attract detractors, like Transformers.
Disney was embarrassed? That is news. All I remember is Feige saying that while he wished they went first for the female helmed movie, he was also relieved that it took pressure off of them.
Or is this some more Grace Randolph bullshit?
Now you making up your own rules. T'challa was stabbed multiple times and thrown off a cliff, hes dead. Interferring with the ritual is not allowed so reviving him does not count.
You're right, I can't articulate what it is about the movie I didn't enjoy. Just like I can't tell you why I don't like films like Zoolander, Big Lebowski, or video games and movies set in a Western setting (Red Dead, New Vegas, etc). Sometimes things just don't click, and if that's not enough for you, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.
Nobody's even talking about "sins"
Just taking the opportunity to mention why they thought Black Panther was garbage, overrated, boring, and how white people worldwide were forced to love such dreck.
Yall goddamn fragile. That's why I love this film. The reaction to it just pisses y'all off low-key.
Just taking the opportunity to mention why they thought Black Panther was garbage, overrated, boring, and how white people worldwide were forced to love such dreck.
Yall goddamn fragile. That's why I love this film. The reaction to it just pisses y'all off low-key.
Hmmm. That rich and creamy diet racism.
Another nitpick: Vibranium is known as the strongest metal and has vibration absorbing properties.
Now its the basis of everything in wakanda (science, clothing, medicine, and even has spiritual properties).
Now its the basis of everything in wakanda (science, clothing, medicine, and even has spiritual properties).
Name 3 movies released in 2018 better than Black Panther. Or even 1 lmao.
Good luck!
Goddamn, personal preferences and all that, but I can't even understand how anyone could think that Black Panther is the best movie in all 2018. Saying it with such confidence too ("good luck!").
I even like BP (though the best part of the movie is Shuri, not BP himself, lol), but to say that kind of thing with such confidence and condescending tone, damn. Such a narrow-minded view expressed in such confidence is astounding, to say the least.
This is a really bad take.
'Made to not offend an audience that in the majority isnt black'? Both LC and BP are overwhelmingly black. LC lives and breathes African-American identity, and then BP leans heavily on Africa and black excellence. If they were made to 'not offend' a white audience don't you think they'd really water down the blackness of them, chuck a couple white saviours in there?
LC is dealing with issues in an African-American district. Sure there's black-on-black crime but guess what that happens in predominantly black areas. Not as a stereotype of crime but in terms of y'know... The ethnic make up of the area.
BP ultimately boils down to black on black violence but that's because of opposing ideologies of dealing with white-on-black violence and oppression. And guess what both the protagonist and antagonist are wrong and the real answer is somewhere inbetween them. White people straight up caused the conflict in BP. And you know that the film would straight up trigger these supposed sensitive white audiences, the film isn't built to 'not offend', it takes its own path confidently.
Even outside of the narrative of the media, both productions gave opportunities and platforms to black talent who flourished. Actors, writers, directions, musicians, production... Both properties and giving blacks really good opportunities, and in both properties they've worked their assess off and deserve the recognition for their good work.
Look I'm not claiming either is a generational impact or will influence race relations in the country but to just write them off as typical white productions is lazy at best.
It went from being a mineral to a literal cure-all.
Like when bilbo is suprised at everything and their reasoning is "lol vibranium".
I'm pretty sure any judge would consider that a knock out. You can't submit or die when you're just unconscious like he was. He lost 100%.
One of the strict rules of the fights is no one should be able to interfere.
Dragging T'challa from the river, nursing him back to full health, does that not count as interfering though? T'Challa would be dead if no one is around to help him after he fell to the waterfall. I mean what kind of "fair" fight is it if your opponent is allowed to be nursed to full health again by other people after you beat them to death?
Heck even during the fight T'challa got saved by the priest guy, right?
hm not sure if I should entertain this one but you might need to watch the movie again. Some of these nitpicks are more along the lines of you didn't pay attention to plot details.
Eh, I'm probably exaggerating. It just definitely felt to me like they were upset that DC got there first and they wanted to get some of the same buzz for themselves.
Also I don't know who Grace Randolph is. And after a quick Google, I'm pretty sure I've never heard anything she's said before.
It's not necessarily a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with just enjoying (or not enjoying) a movie without thinking about why. But the back side of that card is the caveat that the "I just didn't like it" post isn't particularly meaningful and lets people project their own perspectives onto you (eg, the posters in this thread more or less straight up calling you racist).
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Wow, that is an astoundingly dumb comment. Did you see the film?
You never did answer. What exactly about the plot and storytelling are garbage?
Cinemasins is not serious film criticism guys. They're a comedy series so of course they're going to be overly critical and invent dumb stuff for sins. Did you take their troll 2 video where it had zero sins seriously or when they had the bonus round for titanic where they sinned every time the main 2 characters say each other's names? Honestly how obvious do they need to make it? Honest trailers spelled it out in their winter soldier trailer but I guess cinemasins has to say it outright as well
People are VERY quick to label someone as racist in the current landscape. If that makes them feel better, more power to them. Me saying I'm not racist won't convince anyone otherwise. But this is veering deeper off topic, so I'm bouncing out of this thread to avoid derailing!
Carry on!
'black pander only got high ratings cuz black peeepul'
Gets called out.
'oh no im not racist you guys are the ones with issues ok byeee!'
So predictable and transparent.
It is almost as bad as CinemaSins.
Ignoring the fact that it's also not funny, they also use the same criticisms in their "Everything Wrong with" videos as they do in their non-comedy movie reviews. It's serious criticism until it needs to be comedy to avoid criticism. It's comedy until it's actual criticism to avoid derision. Mostly, it's just bad.
The movie covers a very serious subject matter in a very grounded way but the fantastical elements are a little too jarring and are constantly hand waved away by simply saying "vibranium".
>its another "people with bad taste defend their love for cinemasins" episode on era
Stop doing that.
Stop doing that.
That's a great observation. The film's otherwise serious subject matter is why this feels so strange here, as opposed to say Ant-Man's Pym Particles which might as well be magic.
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I'm not attacking, I just really want the people defending CinemaSins as a "comedy series" to be honest with themselves.
Do you really go to that channel for comedy? Or for the satisfaction of having a movie "taken down"? Cause those types of entertainment aren't the same things.
Do you really go to that channel for comedy? Or for the satisfaction of having a movie "taken down"? Cause those types of entertainment aren't the same things.
lol ok, then have T'challa fight some alien not the physical representation of the effects of racism that the black community has faced in real life.
Edit: Also Killmonger is right even at the end when people complain about his one note motivation.
Comedy is subjective. I laugh at a lot of their videos even when I disagree because some are so ridiculous you know they're not being serious. It's up to the audience to discern
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I often enjoy their videos for my favorite movies more so than the ones I've already insulted to hell. I even request my favorite movies. Can't take your movies too seriously
Comedy. What an inane thing to ask. I don't have a personal stake in any movie, I don't have an emotional attachment to them or CinemaSins. He's 'made fun' of movies I've liked and I didn't take it personally. Yet there are certain people who don't seem to have that disconnect. People that see them making silly jokes about something they like and suddenly it's some sort of massive affront to them and movies.
Cinema Sins is just Rifftrax/MST3K condensed to 10 minute serving. I've been watching Riffs/funny takes on movies for nearly 30 years... One of the favorite things me and my wife do is watch movies and talk through/make fun of them.
I mean, you are asking but you seem to only accept answers that conform to your prejudice? "To be honest with themselves", really? Lol.
Note: I don't like CinemaSins too.
you do know the killmonger story line is straight from the comics right?
Even Killmonger throwing T'challa off the cliff/waterfall is from the comics.
Yeah, but Rifftrax goes after bad movies. CinemaSins go after every movie and make shit up and misrepresent the actual plot and content of the movie in order to get the sin count and pump out more videos.
For what it's worth, "it's from the comics" isn't really a valid defense of a plotline. Either it works or it doesn't. Where it came from is irrelevant.
I go to have a laugh at how Jeremy reads the sins. I don't care what the sins are. And hell, like I said before, most of the time it has made me want to see the movie he is sinning.
I'm not in it for a serious review. I'm not in it for the "hah, this move is really shit, gotcha" nonsense.
It's similar to how John Oliver says "holy shit". It's not that he says it that makes it funny, it's how he says it.
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