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Border

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wasn't that the week where they were giving $250 credit on any PS4 or X1S that got traded in for a Switch?
 

WestEgg

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Well someone actually pointed out that 1x2=2 so I'm reticent to jump to conclusions either way as a result...
Implying having two instead of one is a bad result
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Fliesen

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Oct 25, 2017
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Much less than the lackluster E3 presentation, isn't this simply the effect of the good old "wait until after E3" mantra?

Many of those wanting to purchase a Switch were just holding out for:
* Nintendo to possibly announce a new SKU / hardware refresh
* Nintendo to announce a price drop
* Other consoles announcing massive price-drops / unexpected new games

Since none of these happened, those who wanted to buy a console in June just pulled the trigger immediately when all cards were on the table.

This is as similar of a 'duh!' as "Samsung phone tops sales charts in August" (1 month before new iPhone releases)
 

Fanta

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May 27, 2018
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It's been fun watching people go from Switch is gonna sell millions because of Pokemon and Smash to Switch is gonna die because of Pokemon and Smash
 

DrWong

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Oct 29, 2017
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Did you read the entirety of my post?

If Gamestop is right (or relevant) we're gonna see the Switch take the June NPD by storm, because their baseline is already very decent. Time will tell.
Yes yes and your comparison is still lololol compatible ^^

It's not that important to "win" NPD to me (because I don't console war) when we know the console is doing good (second to the PS4 in the US so far but good) and will do far better this summer Q3/Q4 compared to last year with way more systems in the market and their 2 biggest system sellers releasing back to back.

Basically, even if in Q1 they are behind compared to last year (the launch quarter) it won't be by much and they'll easily ship more consoles in Q2/Q3/Q4 this year because they'll have the supply. It's not rocket science unless you are the kind of people that see things in stock market % variation, E3 ranking trailers, Labo rants, kiddy "mainline" Pokemon GO and 20mn E3 Smash Direct.
 

Raijinto

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Oct 28, 2017
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For real though the time frame that should've been measured was a fortnight amirite?

I'll get my coat...
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Much less than the lackluster E3 presentation, isn't this simply the effect of the good old "wait until after E3" mantra?

Many of those wanting to purchase a Switch were just holding out for:
* Nintendo to possibly announce a new SKU / hardware refresh
* Nintendo to announce a price drop
* Other consoles announcing massive price-drops / unexpected new games

Since none of these happened, those who wanted to buy a console in June just pulled the trigger immediately when all cards were on the table.

This is as similar of a 'duh!' as "Samsung phone tops sales charts in August" (1 month before new iPhone releases)

Then why didn't they report this happening for other consoles?

I think it's more due to the excitement for Smash and the availability of Fortnite.

We know Fortnite has been moving every single piece of hardware it's on and a Switch version has been heavily requested, so it's not hard to assume Fortnite will be moving Switches too.
 

WestEgg

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I'd be interested in hearing the preorder data on Super Mario Party. I think a lot of people are sleeping on that one.
 

Fliesen

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Oct 25, 2017
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Then why didn't they report this happening for other consoles?

I think it's more due to the excitement for Smash and the availability of Fortnite.

We know Fortnite has been moving every single piece of hardware it's on and a Switch version has been heavily requested, so it's not hard to assume Fortnite will be moving Switches too.

Because the other consoles are way further into their life cycle and therefore have way less dramatic growth potential. They're certainly up compared to the previous month, but not by a noteworthy margin.
If you're that late to the PS4 / Xbox generation, E3 2018 wouldn't really be that impactful on when you'd purchase the device.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Doesn't really mean much.

1 doubled = 2.

GameStop is still probably gonna liquidate within the next 5 years. Thankfully to some, unfortunately for others.
Seems like an unhealthy attitude towards a company. What has GameStop done other than annoy gamers with pre orders, subscriptions, etc?

Do they have some large debt atm? I don't see why they would liquidate if they aren't in huge financial trouble already
 

Skittzo

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Because the other consoles are way further into their life cycle and therefore have way less dramatic growth potential. They're certainly up compared to the previous month, but not by a noteworthy margin.
If you're that late to the PS4 / Xbox generation, E3 2018 wouldn't really be that impactful on when you'd purchase the device.

Well let me put that another way, is this (console sales doubling the week after a so-called poor E3) something that happened during the PS4's or XB1's early years?
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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What a bizarre topic list. I saw a thread about Nintendo stock going down and a few threads later I see this. I'm glad to see this good news.
 

Visanideth

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Yes yes and your comparison is still lololol compatible ^^

It's not that important to "win" NPD to me (because I don't console war) when we know the console is doing good (second to the PS4 in the US so far but good) and will do far better this summer Q3/Q4 compared to last year with way more systems in the market and their 2 biggest system sellers releasing back to back.

Basically, even if in Q1 they are behind compared to last year (the launch quarter) it won't be by much and they'll easily ship more consoles in Q2/Q3/Q4 this year because they'll have the supply. It's not rocket science unless you are the kind of people that see things in stock market % variation, E3 ranking trailers, Labo rants, kiddy "mainline" Pokemon GO and 20mn E3 Smash Direct.

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MunkyMan33

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Oct 27, 2017
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Anecdotal, but I have heard most of my causal game friends who own PS4s and what not say they want a switch post E3. They keep saying they've kinda wanted one and this smash is the one they want to jump in on. Seems like smash was the tipping point for them on the sideline and maybe many others feel the same?
 

Łazy

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Fliesen

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Well let me put that another way, is this (console sales doubling the week after a so-called poor E3) something that happened during the PS4's or XB1's early years?
oh, that's what you meant ...

hmmm, i dunno - don't ask me how accurate this is, but:
(Xbox doubles from May to June in 2014, PS4 doubles from May to June in 2015 ... and there's some very apparent April / May = "Wait until after E3"- dips)
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https://www.theverge.com/2014/7/17/...ubled-in-june-npds-but-ps4-takes-the-top-spot

The June spikes are real. But in '14 the Xbox dropped the bundled Kinect(?), so that'd explain that.
Too lazy to look up any huge system sellers in June '15

I'm quite sure these post E3 sales "spikes" are caused by rather low sales in May, and not due to impressive June numbers. And this constellation appears every year, regardless of who "won" or "lost" E3, really.
 

WestEgg

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Anecdotal, but I have heard most of my causal game friends who own PS4s and what not say they want a switch post E3. They keep saying they've kinda wanted one and this smash is the one they want to jump in on. Seems like smash was the tipping point for them on the sideline and maybe many others feel the same?
This will certainly be the case for many. Even Smash 64 is still played in college dorms and at parties, the series has massive mainstream interest.
 

HardRojo

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Once again, we need to have numbers to make something out of it.

I guess NPD will tell us how things really went down, if Nintendo wins the month soundly, then we know E3 had such a strong impact as Gamestop implies. If it doesn't we have further confirmation that Gamestop is mattering less and less.



Remember that Media Create thread where the XBox had a 866% WoW increase in Japan and jumped to a whopping 4k units sold?
Lol come on. You can't seriously be comparing the Switch in the US to the Xbox situation in Japan, that's just nuts. I agree we need numbers as GameStop tends to release these statements fairly often, but there's no doubt the Switch is doing fine in the US.
 

Gnorman

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Jan 14, 2018
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I literally called this, that Switch would win the June NPD (July and August as well) because Sony and the crossplay issue did a massive mainstream media promo for Fortnite.

You have the biggest game in the world, the hottest device in gaming, and mainstream media coverage up the wazoo.

Now let's wait for the numbers and see if I'm right.
The PS4 is the hottest device in gaming, the numbers prove it.
 

Sonicfan059

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I literally called this, that Switch would win the June NPD (July and August as well) because Sony and the crossplay issue did a massive mainstream media promo for Fortnite.

You have the biggest game in the world, the hottest device in gaming, and mainstream media coverage up the wazoo.

Now let's wait for the numbers and see if I'm right.
How is it the hottest device in gaming when it's being outsold in most markets by a console nearing its fifth year?

First post nailed it when they said it was due to the heavy trade in promo for it.
 

Mysterio79

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fortnite was going to do well on switch no matter what. Hasn't really had any negative impact on ps4.
Sure, but also I'm sure it did significantly better and got off to thunderous early momentum with hundreds of millions of eyes on mainstream media like this and the many other outlets that covered the story.



How is it the hottest device in gaming when it's being outsold in most markets by a console nearing its fifth year?

First post nailed it when they said it was due to the heavy trade in promo for it.
They are neck and neck launch aligned right now and that's before Smash and Pokemon have dropped. Switch was the fastest selling ever in 2017 as well.

If Switch passes 20 million this year as projected that will represent the best single year of any console over the last generation.
 
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Raijinto

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How is it the hottest device in gaming when it's being outsold in most markets by a console nearing its fifth year?

First post nailed it when they said it was due to the heavy trade in promo for it.

Have you tried holding it after 1/12 hours of playing DOOM? Hot is pretty accurate IMO.

/s.
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
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oh, that's what you meant ...

hmmm, i dunno - don't ask me how accurate this is, but:
(Xbox doubles from May to June in 2014, PS4 doubles from May to June in 2015 ... and there's some very apparent April / May = "Wait until after E3"- dips)
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https://www.theverge.com/2014/7/17/...ubled-in-june-npds-but-ps4-takes-the-top-spot

The June spikes are real. But in '14 the Xbox dropped the bundled Kinect(?), so that'd explain that.
Too lazy to look up any huge system sellers in June '15

I'm quite sure these post E3 sales "spikes" are caused by rather low sales in May, and not due to impressive June numbers. And this constellation appears every year, regardless of who "won" or "lost" E3, really.

Well yeah, June numbers are always higher than May. I don't know if that has to do with E3, with schools being let out, or with summer sales/promotions, but that's more or less always been the case.

The news here is interesting because most people (on this site anyway) thought Nintendo's E3 was particularly lackluster, and this news would seem to indicate that is not the case. If we have a similar case of XB1 or PS4 sales doubling the week after a particularly boring or lackluster E3 then that would point to what you're saying- that people were just waiting to hear about a potential revision or price cut, and weren't actually excited about the console or games because of that E3.


Basically, the point is I think this is more an indication that their E3 actually worked well to excite people and get more people interested in buying a Switch. Not because they were awaiting news on a potential revision, but because they like the games coming (Smash) or already out (Fortnite).
 

Apex88

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Jan 15, 2018
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Your data for Switch topping June NPD is a free game getting 2 million downloads?
Xbox should comfortably win June NPD as they had aggressive discounts all month. Gamers always try to read the tea leaves and think the likes of E3 or cross-play affect these things. But it always comes down to price and software.

If Switch does well it will be down to the release of Fortnite. The idea most gamers are even aware of E3, let alone make purchasing decisions based on it, is far fetched. Likewise Sony's focus this June was software with the Days of Play promotion.They had their hardware push for God of War and will gear up for the next with Spider-Man.
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I dont think a lot of people will buy a system in June to play a game coming out in nov/dec.

The PR made it sound like a lot of the interest in the console was tied to the announcement (and pre-orders) of Smash. Of course people aren't going to buy a console now just to play a December game, but its announcement could very well be the tipping point in getting someone to buy now.

Unless you have data suggesting otherwise.
 

Deader2818

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Oct 25, 2017
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The PR made it sound like a lot of the interest in the console was tied to the announcement (and pre-orders) of Smash. Of course people aren't going to buy a console now just to play a December game, but its announcement could very well be the tipping point in getting someone to buy now.

Unless you have data suggesting otherwise.


I dont have data but just what I've seen what really helped it was trade promo and fortnite.
 

Bunkles

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Oct 26, 2017
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Interesting... Benji can you share any rumblings of Switch sales post E3?