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Kirblar

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Most educational debt is public, and people with advanced degrees are drowning in debt everywhere.
These things can be true, but none of this really applies to the situation. Like, I think you missed the whole "permanent vacancy because there will never be as many employees as there are employers who want them" It's an unsolvable problem. Helping a small minority of people go to school again slightly helps with it, but its a drop of water in an ocean. And that unsolvable problem is at the core of why incomes are polarizing- the lower and upper middle class are growing while the actual middle class is shrinking.
 

Daria

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The Twilight Zone
BLS spooked when Trump releases numbers before official report https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/trumps-tweet-jobs-report

It's all over the news," Nancy Ruiz de Gamboa, the agency's associate commissioner for administration, wrote in an email to senior officials at the bureau.

In fact, Trump's tweet, which broke with decades of protocol in which the president waited until employment numbers were officially released to comment, did have an impact on the market: Stocks jumped, resulting in a flurry of activity inside BLS by officials who were trying to get a handle on the situation.

In another email, Eric Molina, the bureau's acting chief for the division of management systems, flagged Trump's tweet to William Wiatrowski, the commissioner of BLS. Molina said that while the tweet was "vague," it was interpreted to mean "that the Jobs Report was going in a positive direction."
 

TerminusFox

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These things can be true, but none of this really applies to the situation. Like, I think you missed the whole "permanent vacancy because there will never be as many employees as there are employers who want them" It's an unsolvable problem. Helping a small minority of people go to school again slightly helps with it, but its a drop of water in an ocean. And that unsolvable problem is at the core of why incomes are polarizing- the lower and upper middle class are growing while the actual middle class is shrinking.
Can all of this happening really be traced to Reagan being a dick, and Carter being a terrible president, or was this always going to happen?
 

Kirblar

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Can all of this happening really be traced to Reagan being a dick, and Carter being a terrible president, or was this always going to happen?
No, this was always going to happen. Same with globalization/loss of union power/etc. They just helped exacerbate the problem. (busting unions was good for the GOP politically)
 

BoboBrazil

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Since he did this today with Pruitt, maybe Kelly/others will also be leaving today. Better to do them all in one day.
 
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The job market is becoming more and more bifurcated and college is failing to properly prepare students for the level of specialization/expertise that companies are demanding (fairly or not). One thing that corporate America never realized was that unions helped to create and foster long-term employees because there was a level of trust and benefits associated with that commitment. Now employee and employer alike see each other as disposable, so employers want someone who can do the job on day 1 in case the employee decides to leave in a few years; why bother training someone for the next company they're going to work at?
 

LegendofJoe

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These things can be true, but none of this really applies to the situation. Like, I think you missed the whole "permanent vacancy because there will never be as many employees as there are employers who want them" It's an unsolvable problem. Helping a small minority of people go to school again slightly helps with it, but its a drop of water in an ocean. And that unsolvable problem is at the core of why incomes are polarizing- the lower and upper middle class are growing while the actual middle class is shrinking.

Upskilling the workforce is not an unsolvable problem. All it requires is a much more robust publicly subsidized post-secondary education system for people of all ages, not just the young. The amount of wasted human potential out there is staggering.
 

Kirblar

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The job market is becoming more and more bifurcated and college is failing to properly prepare students for the level of specialization/expertise that companies are demanding (fairly or not). One thing that corporate America never realized was that unions helped to create and foster long-term employees because there was a level of trust and benefits associated with that commitment. Now employee and employer alike see each other as disposable, so employers want someone who can do the job on day 1 in case the employee decides to leave in a few years; why bother training someone for the next company they're going to work at when you can just hire someone who knows what to do?
WSJ article on Job-Hoppers from yesterday w/ a more positive spin on the CNBC stuff- https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-this-economy-quitters-are-winning-1530702001

edit: *Someone with red hair who's not the Stripe CEO* had a tweet related to that a day or two back- (paraphrasing) the true benefit to being in SV isn't the manual/tech skills, it's experience. It allows a startup access to poach a person who's actually managed a product launch at google similar to what you want to be setting up from scratch.
Upskilling the workforce is not an unsolvable problem. All it requires is a much more robust publicly subsidized post-secondary education system for people of all ages, not just the young. The amount of wasted human potential out there is staggering.
Yes it is.There is absolutely a bunch of wasted potential, but even if you can harness that, you can't turn everyone into a rocket scientist or a lawyer or an accountant, etc.
 
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Stinkles

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Loving the replies to this


"OK so I sprayed burning feces onto the orphans and then I punched all the babies, but if you want me to not do it again you have to say that spraying orphans with feces and punching babies is cool and you have to buy me dinner or I will do it all again."
 

Totakeke

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WSJ article on Job-Hoppers from yesterday w/ a more positive spin on the CNBC stuff- https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-this-economy-quitters-are-winning-1530702001

The Strip CEO guy had a tweet related to that a day or two back- (paraphrasing) the true benefit to being in SV isn't the manual/tech skills, it's experience. It allows a startup access to poach a person who's actually managed a product launch at google similar to what you want to be setting up from scratch.

Did you mean Stripe? Link to the tweet?
 

Tankette

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As a resident of the Northeast Megalopolis, which generates 20% of the US' wealth and the place that has to make up for the deficit that "Middle America" creates...

I'm not going to spend the rest of my political life kow-towing to you. Fuck off.
 

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As a resident of the Northeast Megalopolis, which generates 20% of the US' wealth and the place that has to make up for the deficit that "Middle America" creates...

I'm not going to spend the rest of my political life kow-towing to you. Fuck off.

I think this dude should just really tell us how he feels. I bet he's dying to say he supports some of Trump's policies.
 

Kirblar

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As a resident of the Northeast Megalopolis, which generates 20% of the US' wealth and the place that has to make up for the deficit that "Middle America" creates...

I'm not going to spend the rest of my political life kow-towing to you. Fuck off.

He's a white guy who worked at Blizzard's Cali campus for years and years. Bannon and Miller? Also white dudes from Cali talking about "Middle America." Who demonized "elites" while working at Goldman Sachs. Just like this guy demonizes "tech fetishization" while being a goddamn game dev.
 

LegendofJoe

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As a resident of the Northeast Megalopolis, which generates 20% of the US' wealth and the place that has to make up for the deficit that "Middle America" creates...

I'm not going to spend the rest of my political life kow-towing to you. Fuck off.


I must have missed Trump's positive, welcoming vision for America. Whoever this is they're nauseatingly naive.
 

Tankette

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He's a white guy who worked at Blizzard's Cali campus for years and years. Bannon and Miller? Also white dudes from Cali talking about "Middle America." Who demonized "elites" while working at Goldman Sachs. Just like this guy demonizes "tech fetishization" while being a goddamn game dev.
I'm more annoyed of his patronizing tone. You should be reflecting on what a goddamn mistake you have made by voting for the wrinkled tangerine, not tut-tutting the opposition for simply getting mad. That is, if you're a decent person.

sigh

The games industry is a mistake (and I'm only saying this half-jokingly).
 

shadow_shogun

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Can't wait to see Maddow's wall tonight
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Psamtik

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He's a white guy who worked at Blizzard's Cali campus for years and years. Bannon and Miller? Also white dudes from Cali talking about "Middle America." Who demonized "elites" while working at Goldman Sachs. Just like this guy demonizes "tech fetishization" while being a goddamn game dev.

One of my personal highlights of BlizzCon last year was hearing some devs talk shit about Mark Kern at a party.
 
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Well, can we *really* say that her lawsuits didn't have a big impact? I don't know if it was The Thing that started #metoo or not, but it was certainly big news.
No. One can definitely point out that allegations against Harvey Weinstein is what got the ball rolling.
 
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