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Taki

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Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,308
Everyone wants to separate kids from their parents nowadays, like fuck anti-vaccination nuts but lmao, goddamn

we separate kids from their parents if the parents are endangering the kids' lives or acting criminally irresponsible in such a way that would endanger their kids' lives

not getting their kids vaccinated not only endangers' the kids' lives, it endangers every other kids' lives at the schools they go to and in the communities they live in

it's not about justice or vengeance, it's about protecting their health and those around them

edit: at least make it a requirement to get vaccinated in order to enroll at public schools.
 

sph3re

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
8,411
Everyone wants to separate kids from their parents nowadays, like fuck anti-vaccination nuts but lmao, goddamn
Okay, but seriously. Researchers get millions of dollars to find vaccines to diseases that will kill the fuck out of you, only to have crazy nutjob parents say "vaccines are bullshit, I'll just feed my son some pine nuts and he'll be fine"

You want that parent to be in charge of raising a child? No way, dude.
 

marrec

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
6,775
we separate kids from their parents if the parents are endangering the kids' lives or acting criminally irresponsible in such a way that would endanger their kids' lives

not getting their kids vaccinated not only endangers' the kids' lives, it endangers every other kids' lives at the schools they go to and in the communities they live in

it's not about justice or vengeance, it's about protecting their health and those around them

Generally, people don't avoid vaccination out of malice or negligence, they do so out of fear and ignorance. If we start separating children from parents who aren't vaccinating that will just increase the fear and uncertainty. Instead of using the extreme tactics of fascist regimes, we should continue efforts to educate and continue efforts to pass no-exemption laws that will result in fines.

Most parents who don't vaccinate simply got the wrong information on the internet, it would be a severe overreaction to remove their children from their custody.

Like, y'all understand that sometimes a long and arduous process of education and careful passage of laws is actually better than some extreme worst case scenario bullshit right?
 

moblin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,107
Москва
edit: at least make it a requirement to get vaccinated in order to enroll at public schools.
I'm definitely on board with this and outlawing non-medical exemptions entirely like a few states, but here as in the dumb MAGA hat thread there's a weird impulse on the part of some to immediately demand that state assume guardianship and it's just creepy tbh

Heavy coercion on the part of the state (like in Australia, as mentioned earlier) is much better both for vaccination rates and for the health and welfare of the child than throwing them into the public/foster system.
 

Deleted member 11626

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,199
When I was younger I used to wonder why humanity wasn't more advanced than we were....and as an almost 30 year old father it's easy to see why.

I despise anti-vax. These parents got the vaccinations and have the luxury of living a deadly disease free life and now they're condemning their children to a lifetime of danger because of some ridiculously misguided conspiracy. Their kids deserve better.
 

Piggus

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,702
Oregon
This state needs to hurry the fuck up and pass a law that requires vaccinations with zero exceptions other than medical. The town I live in has one of the highest anti-vaxxer rates in the country and it's fucking infuriating. These people need to get a brain or get out.
 

Goldenroad

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Banned
Nov 2, 2017
9,475
Everyone wants to separate kids from their parents nowadays, like fuck anti-vaccination nuts but lmao, goddamn

There is a difference between parents being separated from their kids because they are trying to find a better life for their children in a new country, and parents being separated from their children because they are a legitimate danger to their own children. I suppose you would just be happy if pedophiles got to remain with their children too. Absolutely disgusting "hot take".
 

Sho_Nuff82

Member
Nov 14, 2017
18,451
So then this only effects people who haven't gotten vaccinated?

Some people can't get vaccinated or have compromised immune systems (or can't get vaccinated because they have compromised immune systems). Herd immunity protects them from things like this. Hospitals are filled with people with compromised immune systems and babies who can't be vaccinated yet. An unvaccinated, infected person walking there is like Patient Zero.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,396
Not vaxing kids should just be deemed as grave child abuse.

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This is what we're up against. Weaponized stupidity.

Why I rarely check Facebook.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,396
Generally, people don't avoid vaccination out of malice or negligence, they do so out of fear and ignorance. If we start separating children from parents who aren't vaccinating that will just increase the fear and uncertainty. Instead of using the extreme tactics of fascist regimes, we should continue efforts to educate and continue efforts to pass no-exemption laws that will result in fines.

Most parents who don't vaccinate simply got the wrong information on the internet, it would be a severe overreaction to remove their children from their custody.

Like, y'all understand that sometimes a long and arduous process of education and careful passage of laws is actually better than some extreme worst case scenario bullshit right?

Even with the internet, I don't understand how something so false got soooo much traction.

It's like if someone said "cardio days at the gym cause fat gain and obesity", and people in enough numbers consistently bought into it to make it a movement.
 

Zips

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,913
Even with the internet, I don't understand how something so false got soooo much traction.

It's like if someone said "cardio days at the gym cause fat gain and obesity", and people in enough numbers consistently bought into it to make it a movement.
I mean, have you seen who the president of the United States is, what he says, and what he does?

It's largely because of the Internet that more and more people are buying into this stupid nonsense. It's confirmation bias on a global scale. It's so easy to find like minded people.
 

Xe4

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,295
Generally, people don't avoid vaccination out of malice or negligence, they do so out of fear and ignorance. If we start separating children from parents who aren't vaccinating that will just increase the fear and uncertainty. Instead of using the extreme tactics of fascist regimes, we should continue efforts to educate and continue efforts to pass no-exemption laws that will result in fines.

Most parents who don't vaccinate simply got the wrong information on the internet, it would be a severe overreaction to remove their children from their custody.

Like, y'all understand that sometimes a long and arduous process of education and careful passage of laws is actually better than some extreme worst case scenario bullshit right?
Where do you draw the line though? At what level of neglect and endangerment do you as the government step in and keep the parent from killing their kids. Or alternatively, how do you act when their abuse and neglect killed their children.

This isn't some absurd hypothetical, parents have been and still are being arrested and tried because they put their children in danger medically.

Parents sometimes don't vaccinate because of fear and ignorance.

They also sometimes don't seek to treat their kid's cancer because of fear and ignorance.

Or get their child HIV antivirals because of fear and ignorance.

I don't doubt for one second that all of the parents love their children and wish the best for them, but that doesn't mean their actions didn't put their kids in direct danger and end their lives in the process.

It's not something that can be solved by fines or even education. The more you try to educate someone who is deeply entrenched in their beleifs, the more they choose to believe it, even when confronted with evidence, which has been shown by multiple studies.
 

marrec

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Oct 26, 2017
6,775
Where do you draw the line though? At what level of neglect and endangerment do you as the government step in and keep the parent from killing their kids. Or alternatively, how do you act when their abuse and neglect killed their children.

This isn't some absurd hypothetical, parents have been and still are being arrested and tried because they put their children in danger medically.

Parents sometimes don't vaccinate because of fear and ignorance.

They also sometimes don't seek to treat their kid's cancer because of fear and ignorance.

Or get their child HIV antivirals because of fear and ignorance.

I don't doubt for one second that all of the parents love their children and wish the best for them, but that doesn't mean their actions didn't put their kids in direct danger and end their lives in the process.

It's not something that can be solved by fines.
It is actually, that's why vaccination rates go up in states that have no exemption laws

We're not talking about some kind of deeply ingrained belief in these people that cannot be corrected, it's literally mostly just misinformed and scared parents.

There will be some hardcore holdouts of course, but more extreme measures can be taken as necessary rather than as default.
 

Xe4

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,295
It is actually, that's why vaccination rates go up in states that have no exemption laws

We're not talking about some kind of deeply ingrained belief in these people that cannot be corrected, it's literally mostly just misinformed and scared parents.

There will be some hardcore holdouts of course, but more extreme measures can be taken as necessary rather than as default.
I agree about removing non-medical exemptions, as I'm sure everyone else in the thread does. The topic of the conversation was explicitly about parents whose kids died because they didn't get them vaccinated.

Should they not be tried? If they refuse to vaccinate their children should they not have their kids taken away by protective services for their children's own safety? If not, what should you do in those extreme cases?
 

Deleted member 4372

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Oct 25, 2017
5,228
I'm not a parent but if I was, I think I'd just suffer a life being constantly infuriated at parents who do shit like not vaccinate their children. I think this should be child abuse and because of shit like this, it should be the LAW. Vaccinate your children.
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,292
I believe in vax, Im vax obviously but anecdotally everyone I know who gets flu shots each year, get the the flu..

Ive never had the flu lucky enough
 

Sinfamy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,724
This is Portland, where morons virtue signal about their health by eating organic, vegan, gluten free, gmo free, and think vaccines aren't "natural", and that the body should be able to handle things on their own.
 

Charpunk

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,642
Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children should have their children taken away from them. They do not deserve to be parents.
 

LunaSerena

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,525
Yeah, diseases don't just vanish. They can come back at any time. Hell, if we ever discover Alien life they might die on our planet due to some random weak diseases we don't care about.
A real case - one of the things that destroyed the native population of América (Incas, Aztecs, and all others) was the introduction of the European common cold. No big thing, just a cold, but the native population had no defenses to it.