It's amazing how you interpret "Hey the short branching dialog section in this last story mission pack you released a couple weeks ago was really cool and I think it has the potentially to be really great. Can you do more of that?" as "I can do your job better than you."
Depends on her contract. It looks like she signed one that said she could be fired at any time if she embarrassed the company (which is a fairly common contract stipulation now) and that's that. They didn't need to give her a warning to fire her.
Are you suggesting companies shouldn't have the ability to fire people for misuse of social media?
Why are you even arguing speculative intentions and readings of this situation? This is irrelevant to the larger problem. ArenaNet and the hate mob are to blame. Deroir is at worst naive.
I don't understand this logic, so you think she deserves immunity from these types of things because she represented something in feminism? Shouldn't that just have made her more accountable for what she says on the internet, if so many eyes were on her waiting for her to screw up? Doesn't seem like she was being overly careful.
i find that the benefits of stringent employee protection laws (you can't find excuses to fire someone over petty personal disagreements, you can't intimidate employees from unionization, you can't lose your livelyhood for pissing the wrong person off on twitter, you can't pressure people into working overtime or not using their contractual and legislated entitlements like paid vacation or parental leave, you don't create incentives for asshats to start harassment campaigns by showing those people that they can indeed get what they want and get someone fired) heavily outweigh the positives of lax employee protection laws (higher dividends to shareholders and by extension pension funds, sometimes a twitter racist gets fired) but that's just me
Your primary focus in this and the other large thread we had about Price has been to vilify Deroir. Across multiple threads you've; ascribed hidden malicious motives to him and promoted others who did the same, said he didn't deserve to call himself a feminist, called him stupid, said he was playing "the victim card", called him an asshat multiple times across multiple threads, accused him of deliberately ordering his viewers to attack Price, when pointed out he did no such thing you back pedaled and said he did it deliberately while trying to make himself look like he wasn't doing it, ranted about how unfair it was for his audience to attack her despite her having a much bigger audience to rally and completely ignored her much larger audience dog piling onto Deroir when she very publicly put him on blast on her larger platform, said it was his fault she was fired. I can go on.
How do you know the company didn't do any of this or have problems with her in the past though?
I don't claim to know exactly what happened. Which is why the first half of my post was set up as questions. All I know is what you know. I'm ASKING why weren't these things done. If they were...? Then great. If not, it looks bad.
And yet you have no problem proclaiming that it is unacceptable?
Professionals go to conventions too. It is a simple tool for coordination with people not in your contacts list.
It is unacceptable based off of what was said. You don't question this? Do you not think it is weird to fire someone so quickly? As an employer, are you that prepared to let go of talent that fast (without any warning)?
Well, I was being slightly facetious. The nature of Twitter makes it perfect for making a short, unsophisticated, off-the-cuff remark that lands you in trouble.
It's quite sad how this has affected Deroir too and will probably affect in future as now he is labeled by some as "Gator-type". I saw this in another thread, somebody has read some hot Twitter takes and decided that the guy is Gamergater. This shit spreads like a wildfire and can tarnish people forever as it has before. Somebody says something on Twitter so now it must be the truth and people really don't care to dig any deeper to get full story/context. It saddens me.
That's not even on the same level though. He was literally being racist.
Again, you are absolutely certain that there was no warning despite admittedly not knowing what happened.
Sure I think it's easy to see if one just looks into it, but as I said thats not how it always works. People don't go for the source, they take second hand information and opinions as the truth and as full story. To bring up Cliffy B again and the narrative how he hates XBOX is well alive and still spreading when people talk about him. There's popular Youtube videos that show him saying "I hate the Xbox" then cutting to another clip, leaving out the rest where he says that he don't and is joking while implying that's the accusation he gets from Xbox fans. How many looks up the original interview to see rest of his thought or the context where it was said. Similarly I believe that many don't go back to read this original convo but just see someone else saying that "Gamergater mansplained and harassed Price and she got fired for that". And even less people are looking into Deroir more, his history and if there's any reason to believe this would be the case. But they still hold a belief that he's an asshat gator.
This is rich. Devs get tweets from fans all the time. What do you think that Kamiya discussion surrounding your post is about?
No.
We're on the same page here. Almost word for word... that's pretty much it.
You dont have to say it like that, but a bit more transparency would have gone a loooong way. I mean, the cat is already out of the bag. The entire internet is already all over this incident. There's nothing private about this now if that's what you're implying.
I'm not American but I've seen how it works, I wouldn't have fired her but it's not up to me and I don't see the firing to be unjustified. Looks that it works like intended. I think it's fair to let companies handle these things as they see fit, as long as it's legal.
Yeah, it sucks how the false timeline from that beagel twitter dude has spread.
