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Darryl M R

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Tya said:
This is probably the dumbest take in this thread. Every news source is biased.
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It seriously is. It is the same lazy and dumb take YouTubers have when reporting news. "If people on the left hate you and people on the right hate you, then you are doing something good."

No. Perhaps you are irresponsible with your reporting of news and fosters distrust.
 
FunkyMonkey

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Ebullientprism said:
Hahahahahaha. So they are no longer #resistance? What about WaPo? Are they the resistance now?

This place is fucking dumb as shit sometimes.
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this is an absolute shit post and says a lot about both your intelligence and your reading comprehension. can someone translate the OP into something with fewer big words so this lad will struggle less?
 
Creatchee

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Tya said:
This is probably the dumbest take in this thread. Every news source is biased.
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Oh, you got me there, you! You could either take me literally or understand that I meant "not biased compared to most other news sources". But, you know, context and critical thought suck, right?

Darryl M R said:
It seriously is. It is the same lazy and dumb take YouTubers have when reporting news. "If people on the left hate you and people on the right hate you, then you are doing something good."

No. Perhaps you are irresponsible with your reporting of news and fosters distrust.
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If you are at the point where you're comparing The New York Times with Youtubers, you've lost the plot.
 
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Darryl M R

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Creatchee said:
If you are at the point where you're comparing The New York Times with Youtubers, you've lost the plot.
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If you are at the point where you can't comprehend that my comment was a direct quote to someone criticizing posters, including you, in this thread, you've lost the plot.

Do better.

Or stop posting. You are embarrassing yourself.
 

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I ditched them when they did the puff piece on Nazis.

With regards to journalistic integrity, when NBC managed to fact check them with regards to the context of the remarks that very day with sources that were in the room over sources that read a memo, it's a sign that the NYT failed to do their homework and just wanted to push a sensationalist story out.
 
Creatchee

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Darryl M R said:
If you are at the point where you can't comprehend that my comment was a direct quote to someone criticizing posters, including you, in this thread, you've lost the plot.

Do better.

Or stop posting. You are embarrassing yourself.
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Reread your own comment.

Also, put me on ignore if you don't like what I say or think I'm silly or whatever. It's really easy to do and only takes a few clicks.
 
Palette Swap

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Also, when in doubt, always check these guidelines :
https://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

You can literally check the boxes in their initial Rosenstein reporting (considering these are second hand sources that directly conflict with first hand reporting), and add today's reporting to the pile. This isn't about politics, this is about bad journalism. That they're useful idiots who were likely used as ammo in some internal WH War is secondary to this point.

The fallacy in "we piss off both sides so we must be doing something right" lies in the fact the simplest explanation is that you're not doing your job very well, and should try to do better, not double down.
 
Darryl M R

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Creatchee said:
Reread your own comment.

Also, put me on ignore if you don't like what I say or think I'm silly or whatever. It's really easy to do and only takes a few clicks.
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I did. You are still obtuse. Nothing changed. Your take was extremely dumb. Do better.

Sounds like you are familiar with the functionality. Use it or stop whining.
 
Zaeia

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I saw people should go even further and block them from showing on all social media too!
 
okayfrog

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Would you be able to update the OP with information regarding what you're talking about? I get emails on a daily basis from NYT about signing up and I was thinking about doing it recently since I wouldn't mind reading some articles while walking to work in the morning.
 
Netherscourge

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Leona Lewis said:
Should've done it the moment they ran this story right before the 2016 election:


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html
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TECHNICALLY, clear links to Russia didn't show up until 2017.

Also, it's not the NYT's responsibility to get Trump impeached OR protect his presidency. Much as I'd love to see Trump removed, the NYT's job is to report news, no matter who's agenda the news apparently supports.

If anyone is relying on the NYT to only report anti-Trump news 24/7, then you have been deluding yourselves.

I guarantee you there have been missteps and bias within the ranks of the FBI and all the investigations therein. It's just a matter of weighing all those things in the court of public opinion, and when necessary, in the court of legal opinion, to determine if any credibility has been breached or not.
 
Darth Vapor

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I mean it is still the best news publication in the states regardless of an occasional lapse in journalistic excellence or an occasional opinion piece I disagree with.

The NYT is still a world class newspaper. I know people like to get their news from a ten word tweet these days but I think I'll continue to read the newspaper.
 

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why call cancelling over this "reactionary" when there's been a steady stream of valid criticism toward the NYT over the past few years and beyond
 
GrooveCommand

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For anyone looking to subscribe to a reputable news source, Jacobin is a fantastic alternative to 'mainstream media' that reports on things that are actually wrong with our country, instead of focusing in on the day-to-day hubbub.
 
Wowfunhappy

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You guys think it's healthy if everyone stops subscribing to papers that run editorials they don't agree with sometimes? Do you want the NY Times to become the liberal equivalent of Fox News?

I am not one to say that "both sides are the same"—but one of the reasons they aren't the same is because there is no liberal equivalent of Fox News—we tend to be much better at reading sources with differing view points. I don't agree with the editorial at all, but let's not pretend it's on the level of a lot of what Fox News publishes, much less someone like Alex Jones.

Write a letter to the editor.
 
'3y Kingdom

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GrooveCommand said:
For anyone looking to subscribe to a reputable news source, Jacobin is a fantastic alternative to 'mainstream media' that reports on things that are actually wrong with our country, instead of focusing in on the day-to-day hubbub.
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My eyes nearly rolled out of my head.
John Harker said:
What happened to them?
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They've had serious editorial lapses recently and their reportage is occasionally so centrist as to be mealy mouthed and obscurantist. But really, this thread is better evidence of what happened to the broader readership of the Times than of what has happened to the Times itself. It's still one of the best news sites around, although for commentary I find myself gravitating elsewhere these days.
 
Trigonometrize

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I'm keeping my subscription for now. They put out a lot of content that I feel merits a price tag. But the Rosenstein story and the Habberman stories have done much to shake my faith in the ideal of the New York Times, among other criticisms I have of the paper. It feels like the newsroom is in an access journalism rut that I hope to get them out of by supporting the better parts of the paper and being vocal about the parts that need fixing.

Wowfunhappy said:
run editorials they don't agree with sometimes?
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No

GrooveCommand said:
For anyone looking to subscribe to a reputable news source, Jacobin is a fantastic alternative to 'mainstream media' that reports on things that are actually wrong with our country, instead of focusing in on the day-to-day hubbub.
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It looks like far left blog shit that can be interesting if you're into that sort of thing but would be useless for the average American living in a very pro-capitalism 2018. How wrong am I?
 
Cochese

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Wowfunhappy said:
You guys think it's healthy if everyone stops subscribing to papers that run editorials they don't agree with sometimes? Do you want the NY Times to become the liberal equivalent of Fox News?

I am not one to say that "both sides are the same"—but one of the reasons they aren't the same is because there is no liberal equivalent of Fox News—we tend to be much better at reading sources with differing view points. I don't agree with the editorial at all, but let's not pretend it's on the level of a lot of what Fox News publishes, much less someone like Alex Jones.

Write a letter to the editor.
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This was not an editorial. That's the issue.
 
Schlep

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I unsubbed Prime Day, because WaPo was both way cheaper and way better journalism. NYT needs to decide whether they want to be the paper of record, or continue moving towards CNN in print form.
 

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Technosteve said:
How do i unsubscribe it says i have to call them. They won't let me unsub online.
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Just call them. I had considered unsubbing for financial reasons once before, and had an online option, but when I tried again later in the year they just flat out took it away.

It's fucking 2018, the only reason you would make it so difficult to unsubscribe from something is if you're trying to bank on millenials hating phone conversations with strangers.
 
Boiled Goose

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Ukraine said:
Out of ll the bullshit that is out there I find it incredibly stupid that liberals keep picking NYT as a target. Sure, some of the reporting they do is not up to journalistic standards, but it's still way better than 90% of news sources out there.

The reaction to Rosentein story is especially weird. I mean is anyone doubting that it's true? What's your issue with it?
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Could be a deliberate "leak" to oust Rosenstein. If sources aee individual and anonymous, agendas become important if facts cant be verified.

Nyt does some good reporting, but as an institution i haven't trusted them since they were complicit in pushing for war in iraq.
 
Toxi

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The New York Times asks people to subscribe to support good journalism.

When they fail to do good journalism, that is reason to cancel your subscription.
 

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Both Rosenstien stories was enough for me to hide them in my feed. You gotta learn that accuracy is more important that getting a scoop. Sometimes you wait.
 
mael

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Toxi said:
The New York Times asks people to subscribe to support good journalism.

When they fail to do good journalism, that is reason to cancel your subscription.
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Pretty much.
There's better news outlet to support that didn't just carry water for nazis and carry water for neonazis like it's their duty to do so.
A good news outlet would do a retractation or "something" after it's been clear that they botched something as bad as that unecessary Rosenstein story, and that's without going with the litany or other issues that newspaper has.
As always diversify where you get your news but don't just settle for a place that do shit like that.
 
Hassel

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How is THIS the tipping point?


How did you not get Tipped over years ago OP?
 
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