What is this nonsense?
I'll never understand people who brag about ignoring people they don't agree with. Are echo chambers that appealing?
The resistance on reducing meat consumption
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What is this nonsense?
I'll never understand people who brag about ignoring people they don't agree with. Are echo chambers that appealing?
The shit just tastes good man. People aren't going to curb one of the most consistent and reliable joys they have in life over something as abstract as "saving the planet". An unfriendly medical diagnosis is what changes eating habits.
It's just beef and lamb we are talking about. Eat chicken and fish instead and it will make a big difference.
You would think the death of millions of people would make some people think, but I guess not. It's not happening this instant, so why care, right?
You would think the death of millions of people would make some people think, but I guess not. It's not happening this instant, so why care, right?
100%. Never ran into a holier than thou vegan but have met plenty of people who are literally triggered by the word vegan.
See? I already eat a lot of vegetables. I don't need to cut back on meat :)
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You aren't gonna save the world by not eating meat, it's all about the energy.
Personally I'm not eating less meat, probably even more.
Meat alternative stuff often tastes just as good to me, sometimes better.
I've been cutting back a decent amount over the last year, been trying to learn some more tofu meals recently.
I've been cutting back a decent amount over the last year, been trying to learn some more tofu meals recently.
If you have kids, frankly you're doing a disservice to them by not outright telling them what climate change is gonna do to this planet in their lifetime. Not might do, not possibly could do. Will do. To look at the average thread, on what's supposed to be one of the more tolerant and respectful forums available not just nationwide but worldwide, and see the sheer hostility rampant to an act designed to stop or at least slow it down should be enough by itself to tell you it's neither being stopped nor slowed down. Period
That decade estimate from IPCC was stupidly Optimistic, and yes I'll call it and other examples of that o word "stupidly" just like I've called a lot of these "we get 7, 10, 20 chances to do the right thing" posts and opinions and ideas and myths post-2016. We're luckier than we deserve if it's not already too late by '24
That decade estimate from IPCC was stupidly Optimistic, and yes I'll call it and other examples of that o word "stupidly" just like I've called a lot of these "we get 7, 10, 20 chances to do the right thing" posts and opinions and ideas and myths post-2016. We're luckier than we deserve if it's not already too late by '24
I hate rice in a burrito.. Carbs upon carbs.
Maybe some veggies in there would be better?
I eat a lot less meat than I used to, especially beef. Partly due to environmental and other reasons but honestly also because beef has gotten godawful expensive here.
I couldn't go full vegetarian but I've definitely cut by 30%. Probably more like 50%.
I couldn't go full vegetarian but I've definitely cut by 30%. Probably more like 50%.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-often-do-you-eat-beef.74213/
Some people there are saying that they do. Personally I don't see the problem with skipping it completely. It's just food. I really don't understand why it's so hard to stop eating one particular kind of food.
I've been vegetarian for over 20 years and have never told someone they should stop eating meat. It's just a bad tactic, it makes people feel attacked. Better to go after the meat industry- stop subsidizing it and make it pay for its externalities. Yeah, that's easier said than done and will take a lot of collective action. But in the long run that's the only way to really change things.
Does consuming chicken and fish primarily counts as reducing meat consumption? I rarely eat beef nowadays, honestly. Its expensive as fuck.
Meat substitutes sure are. My diet is comprised of mostly carbs, so when I want to have protein it is nice to be able to have a burger or a steak from time to time.
I can't stomach seafood at all, so my only other option would basically be chicken.
Yeah
I like meat and likely won't reduce my consumption until it becomes economically untenable to consume it at my current rate.
I like meat and likely won't reduce my consumption until it becomes economically untenable to consume it at my current rate.
As a meat-eater, these threads remind me of what happens when we shame the alt-right with science and facts. They dig in their heels.
Still eating meat though.
Still eating meat though.
OP, a big reason why Americans do not wean off animal products is that it is the central flavor in their cooking. Country cooking uses bacon grease, lard, and butter. So does French cooking. If you remove these ingredients, the food is bland. Most Americans don't know how to make a delicious vegetarian curry.
OP is on point - every person should be cutting meat consumption by as much as possible.
I love me my fucking meat - but when the UN is reporting worldwide catastrophe by 2040, it is absolutely essential to change in every way you can.
No, this is based on a publication in Nature, arguably the world's most pre-eminent scientific journal - here's a Guardian breakdown if you don't want to read the original study - and the conclusion is that combating climate change absolutely requires dramatic reduction in meat consumption at a population level, and that requires everyone who is aware of that demand to participate. Your personal preferences really don't factor in. If your personal preferences were to toss all your plastic in the ocean, that would also not be ok.
EDIT: see also a publication in Science - one of the world's other leading scientific publications - from earlier this year saying essentially the same thing.
I love me my fucking meat - but when the UN is reporting worldwide catastrophe by 2040, it is absolutely essential to change in every way you can.
No, this is based on a publication in Nature, arguably the world's most pre-eminent scientific journal - here's a Guardian breakdown if you don't want to read the original study - and the conclusion is that combating climate change absolutely requires dramatic reduction in meat consumption at a population level, and that requires everyone who is aware of that demand to participate. Your personal preferences really don't factor in. If your personal preferences were to toss all your plastic in the ocean, that would also not be ok.
EDIT: see also a publication in Science - one of the world's other leading scientific publications - from earlier this year saying essentially the same thing.
People are stubborn and don't see the hypocrisy.
I didn't eat any meat today and don't see any need too.
Maybe I'll eat some meat tommorrow, maybe not.
I don't need meat everyday. Vegtables and grains are easier to prepare, taste just as good and have more of the nutrients I need, save maybe iron.
I didn't eat any meat today and don't see any need too.
Maybe I'll eat some meat tommorrow, maybe not.
I don't need meat everyday. Vegtables and grains are easier to prepare, taste just as good and have more of the nutrients I need, save maybe iron.
Except the impact is absolutely miniscule. Doing almost anything else, like buying from local farmers, or moving closer to work so you don't have to commute as much, or just turning off your lights and using your computer less, will do far more.
I wouldn't say miserable, but my life would be significantly less enjoyable without meat. I enjoy vegetables and try to eat a lot of salads, but meat tastes great and can make me happy in an instant.
The marinated chicken I had today was phenomenal.
I cut back to eating meat two days a week. It's making me more miserable than usual, but whatever.
I don't even disagree with you, i'm Just saying that I do see it a little too often
Yup. Cutting back on beef consumption should be step 1, and I say that as an avowed omnivore. Bring on the lab grown.
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Not trying to start an argument here but how are you eating carb rich food and still need to eat extra protein?
Does a day or 2 of fasting every week count?
I'm not going vegetarian I need way to much supplementation to probably keep my muscle mass or performance up.
I'm not going vegetarian I need way to much supplementation to probably keep my muscle mass or performance up.
Because I weigh about 120 pounds on a good day and without a significant amount of protein in my diet I'll pretty much waste away to nothing. Hypermetabolism ain't fun.
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Yep. If everyone posting about meat got rid of their cars we would be in a much better position than if everyone ditched meat.
Also eating less meat could be helpful yes, but if we're gonna take down climate change, we should focus on the companies that produce the most pollution. And that FAR outweighs people just eating less meat.
https://amp.theguardian.com/sustain...-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change
https://amp.theguardian.com/sustain...-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change
What does the amount of carbs one eats have to do with how much protein they need?
You can't turn carbs into protein.
I'm working on getting better. I'm reducing my intake and trying to have a meatless day. Problem is I've always been a picky eater, so I sometimes don't know what to eat.
I like fake chicken nuggets and some other substitutes but they're expensive so I don't buy tons of em. I think I've a done a decent job of reducing my intake so far but I know I can do better.
I like fake chicken nuggets and some other substitutes but they're expensive so I don't buy tons of em. I think I've a done a decent job of reducing my intake so far but I know I can do better.
First, you'd have to explain how priding oneself on being selfish is a matter of opinion. Second, I'm not ignoring people I disagree with, I'm ignoring people who gleefully revel in their barbarism. I'm not ignoring anyone because they said they'd continue to eat meat. Third, yes, in general I'd rather be in an echo chamber than dwell with cavemen.
This speaks to a bigger issue, which is that in collective action situations, people use the fact that others will not act as reasoning not to act...which is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
That's why we create governments - to solve problems of collective action. e.g. we all chip in to build roads and national defense and that sort of thing. Of course current government is resistant to address greenhouse gases. So you're kind of out of luck OP without vast social change or another intervening structure like government.
That's why we create governments - to solve problems of collective action. e.g. we all chip in to build roads and national defense and that sort of thing. Of course current government is resistant to address greenhouse gases. So you're kind of out of luck OP without vast social change or another intervening structure like government.
Because I'm highly skeptical of the calls to cut back meat consumption, and its effect on the environment compared to large scale row crop agriculture.
I'm doing the carnivore diet at the moment, and it's been eye opening how humans don't need plants to survive, and that growing so many of them, and the way we grow them, is likely a huge part of the problem.
I'm doing the carnivore diet at the moment, and it's been eye opening how humans don't need plants to survive, and that growing so many of them, and the way we grow them, is likely a huge part of the problem.
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Legumes have a comparable ratio to most meats.
The brocolli/spinach comparison, that some vegans use, is ridiculous because while the calories v.s. protein checks out. You need a stupid amount of these plants to get to the same amount of calories.
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A lot of carb rich foods, whole grains and legums, are also high in protein.
Having a child is the most detrimental thing I can do to the environment (https://globalnews.ca/news/3595511/climate-change-carbon-footprint-children/ ), but I still want to have kids because it's meaningful to me.
Flying is another huge carbon footprint, but I'm not going to stop flying. It's important to me that I can see loved ones around the world, and I want to see as much as this world has to offer before I die.
Eating meat isn't as important to me as the other two things, but it's something I enjoy that has a far smaller impact than the aforementioned two things. I do make the effort to purchase ethically sourced meat and would prefer to see the end of factory farming even if that meant meat was more expensive and less accessible, but that's more because of animal welfare than because of the environment. I mean, I don't care that much, since I obviously still eat meat, but it isn't a non-issue for me either.
I don't think individuals should sacrifice our wants and needs like having kids, flying, or eating burgers, when in my country at least these are the sources of carbon emissions:
I'm not going to live what I consider to be a shittier life and make a negligible impact while the world burns anyway. If everybody on Earth stopped eating meat the world would still be fucked because of those other carbon emissions. I'd rather see coal die, car companies (outside of electric) die, and see solar panels on every roof.
The ethical argument for vegatarianism makes more sense when framed in terms of animal welfare, not saving the environment. The notion that we should make a personal sacrifice to save the Earth is dumb, it makes about as much difference as recycling. They're things we can do to make ourselves feel better while corporations that don't give a shit what we do continue to destroy the world. We could vote for political parties that will do something about it, but people in general don't. That's the problem.
Flying is another huge carbon footprint, but I'm not going to stop flying. It's important to me that I can see loved ones around the world, and I want to see as much as this world has to offer before I die.
Eating meat isn't as important to me as the other two things, but it's something I enjoy that has a far smaller impact than the aforementioned two things. I do make the effort to purchase ethically sourced meat and would prefer to see the end of factory farming even if that meant meat was more expensive and less accessible, but that's more because of animal welfare than because of the environment. I mean, I don't care that much, since I obviously still eat meat, but it isn't a non-issue for me either.
I don't think individuals should sacrifice our wants and needs like having kids, flying, or eating burgers, when in my country at least these are the sources of carbon emissions:
I'm not going to live what I consider to be a shittier life and make a negligible impact while the world burns anyway. If everybody on Earth stopped eating meat the world would still be fucked because of those other carbon emissions. I'd rather see coal die, car companies (outside of electric) die, and see solar panels on every roof.
The ethical argument for vegatarianism makes more sense when framed in terms of animal welfare, not saving the environment. The notion that we should make a personal sacrifice to save the Earth is dumb, it makes about as much difference as recycling. They're things we can do to make ourselves feel better while corporations that don't give a shit what we do continue to destroy the world. We could vote for political parties that will do something about it, but people in general don't. That's the problem.