You can care about climate change without forcing yourself to eat things you don't like. It's OK to have personal preferences. There are other ways people can contribute.
The resistance on reducing meat consumption
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You can care about climate change without forcing yourself to eat things you don't like. It's OK to have personal preferences. There are other ways people can contribute.
Either we all suffer due to the degradation of the environment or we cut back on eating meat ... But, hey, don't ask people to give up what they like. Fuck that selfish entitlement. We all have to do our part or suffer the grim alternatives.
I love meat - I'm a huge BBQ fan, love it. But, I love this planet, too ... I love nature, and we're destroying it because people can't control their urges. I've cut back my consumption a lot. I adore sushi. When I learned how bad tuna was being overfished, I stopped eating it completely -- not because I don't like it, but because it was the ethical thing to do. So, yeah, fuck them and anyone else who thinks they're more important than everyone else and the fragile balance of life on this planet.
I love meat - I'm a huge BBQ fan, love it. But, I love this planet, too ... I love nature, and we're destroying it because people can't control their urges. I've cut back my consumption a lot. I adore sushi. When I learned how bad tuna was being overfished, I stopped eating it completely -- not because I don't like it, but because it was the ethical thing to do. So, yeah, fuck them and anyone else who thinks they're more important than everyone else and the fragile balance of life on this planet.
Ah, the ol' morality projection. That's probably where the "resistance" is coming from, especially concerning your friend.
It really is. Reducing your meat consumption shouldn't really be an issue for most people and easy to achieve.
I feel like cutting down meat consumption is the least likely of the climate change options. People in the world don't have a lot of access to food alternatives and meal preparation/cooking/experimentation isn't something people are required to learn. Plus most of society has been taught meat is a required food group.
You literally do not like anything but meat? Jesus, that must be rough on your stomach.
Yea. Exactly. Maybe try suggesting to people to have one less kid. See what kind of resistance you get. And that would be by far the more impactful change.
Are you new to humanity? The answer is yes.
(Put me in that group. I'm riding this train into the ground with a bacon cheeseburger in my hands)
(Put me in that group. I'm riding this train into the ground with a bacon cheeseburger in my hands)
It boggles my mind that there are people on this forum that think the solution to climate change is getting people to cut meat. It took 20 years to get millions of people to stop using Internet Explorer. The grand realistic solution to climate change is getting over a billion people to change thousands year old eating habits in 10 years?
We should try to reduce for sure, but you have to be delusional to think it's going to be the actual solution.
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I am. That I want the generations after mine to survive is separate from this.
Yes. I am selfish. People are selfish.
Meat tastes good so I am going to eat it.
Life is shitty enough already and I'm not going to purposefully make myself more miserable during my blip of an existence.
Meat tastes good so I am going to eat it.
Life is shitty enough already and I'm not going to purposefully make myself more miserable during my blip of an existence.
Climate Change threads are generally centered around news and events or products.
This is the fourth or so vegan thread where it's basically OP going "Hey, anyone else thing people who like hamburgers are scumbags?"
So, the change in tone between the two is expected.
Uhh, no, I do like including some fruits and veg in my diet and I've been making efforts to eat healthier recently. Becoming full vegan is a no bueno.
On a more light hearted note I have a Chie avatar right now so of course I like meat
Have you tried Costo's? Maybe it was someone else's, I haven't tried it either but saw an ad for one and was interested.
If only this was an original reaction. Predictable.
Well, the thread is about just reducing meat consumption, so in that context, the answer "because I do not like anything else" is easy to be interpreted in a literal way. So basically, you agree with the OP and you are doing the right thing. Kudos to you.
Op, (disclaimer I'm Vegan too); I'm also a massive pig but fucking hell Vegan alternatives are tasty, heck I'm an admin in some of the biggest foodie groups on the Internet and I love food more than anything, I get Vegan pies delivered to my house and I probably eat more pizza with decent faux cheese than most. I don't get it, it's a piece of piss; I'm not actually Vegan for the environment but we all know people with kids or have kids so fuck them or change?
You mean if you can keep doing exactly what you're already doing while other people make what can be a fairly drastic dietary change
I'd like to, I gotta drive like 45 min to the nearest place that has one according to their website though. I'd love if I could just go get an impossible burger at Wendy's or something
For one no I myself am not cutting. And no you can't tell people all of a sudden to stop and that something like insect protein will be better. People will not just start a mass movement to eating them. Plus that shit is crazy expensive. You aren't gonna sell people on that.
Plus selfish? Don't you think that's a bit far? You can tell people to get electric cars, cut water consumption, carpool more, etc. and for the most part they'll do it, so people are definitely willing to change, but just constantly coming to people and telling them with what i've usually seen as a snarky or better than thou attitude (no i'm not saying skmenof you guys here have that attitude) but let's not kid ourselves and say it doesn't exist.
So I say it's a combination of many things. Plus this post could be all over the place since i've been moving around, so feel free to pick at it.
Plus selfish? Don't you think that's a bit far? You can tell people to get electric cars, cut water consumption, carpool more, etc. and for the most part they'll do it, so people are definitely willing to change, but just constantly coming to people and telling them with what i've usually seen as a snarky or better than thou attitude (no i'm not saying skmenof you guys here have that attitude) but let's not kid ourselves and say it doesn't exist.
So I say it's a combination of many things. Plus this post could be all over the place since i've been moving around, so feel free to pick at it.
Internet Explorer wasn't a threat to human survival- climate change is. Guess I'm delusional for embracing the science tho right
I'm beginning to treat red meat as more of a luxury, only consuming burgers and steaks a handful of times per year. My understanding is that chicken and turkey are magnitudes smaller in terms of carbon footprint, so those are better choices when looking to reduce.
Reducing your carbon footprint isn't an all-or-nothing venture, everyone. Too much red meat is bad for the heart anyway, you're simultaneously doing your body AND the planet a favor by eating less of it. Take it from this non-vegetarian omnivore.
Reducing your carbon footprint isn't an all-or-nothing venture, everyone. Too much red meat is bad for the heart anyway, you're simultaneously doing your body AND the planet a favor by eating less of it. Take it from this non-vegetarian omnivore.
Me eating one less burger a week isn't going to do shit when the vast majority of the problem is coming from only 100 companies
Honestly? My digestive tract reacts poorly to most vegetables. Spinach and stuff is great, but going beyond that I my stomach has issues.
Meanwhile, I thrive on meat and since going almost entirely meat/fish, all of my digestive issues have disappeared.
I just don't feel good on a plant-heavy diet.
Meanwhile, I thrive on meat and since going almost entirely meat/fish, all of my digestive issues have disappeared.
I just don't feel good on a plant-heavy diet.
Not what I said....like at all. I don't doubt the science one bit.
Yep
Nobody wants to admit when they're doing a wrong thing, and the instinct by many is to double down
Nobody wants to admit when they're doing a wrong thing, and the instinct by many is to double down
Yeah that sucks, I have a White Castle and Bareburger 10 minutes from me. Would definitely be tougher if I didn't have local options.
This thread is just as much of a goldmine for my ignore list as that thread about insects going extinct.
I'm saying this is what the general public thinks. I don't consume a lot of meat, though I'm not cutting back further.
Does steak actually taste good - or do you think steak tastes good?
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Dude plz. I wasn't raised vegan like most people aren't.
All of that is all well and good, but without something that isn't garbage to put it on it isn't super helpful.
Oh look. People hatred of vegans overpowers their ability to read. What a surprise. Just eating one meal a day without meat is pretty close to cutting 30 percent but this thread is filled with dumb ducks saying, "well I'm gonna have extra meat tonight now you dumb vegan."
Meat tastes too good and a single person not eating meat won't change anything overall.
I think that sometimes, but not every time. I'm always quarreling with the thought of going back to being a vegetarian...meat is just too good and too easy to cook. Good vegetarian recipes are way more involved than than just putting a piece of lettuce on a frying pan.
Yeah I'm lazy.
I think that sometimes, but not every time. I'm always quarreling with the thought of going back to being a vegetarian...meat is just too good and too easy to cook. Good vegetarian recipes are way more involved than than just putting a piece of lettuce on a frying pan.
Yeah I'm lazy.
The Beyond Burgers and Sausages are really good as well. The burgers are available to buy in several Targets and Whole Foods, which might closer to you versus a 45 minute drive.
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So OP made the thread, knowing it would cause others to eat meat in response to being told not to eat meat? Clever girl OP, I bet you're not even a vegan. Genius.
That sort of attitude does exist. But the vast, vast majority of vegatarians / vegans don't have or express it. I have plenty of vegetarian and vegan friends, and I've never seen one try to convert someone, let alone do it aggressively.
It's a false stereotype used by people as a defense mechanism. "Ugh, why would I even consider cutting back on meat consumption when vegans are so annoying! I'll eat more meat to teach them a lesson!"
If you want examples of that defensive behavior, just read through this thread. It's certainly more prevalent in here than the purported "better-than-thou veganism".
See also: GLHFGodBless' posts. ^