I'd argue that having nothing to do in those spaces is what makes them dead, not the lack of comms. Now if you could message people for raids etc then you could team up, but again, it's the social spaces that are the issue in that regard.
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Destiny 2 |OT| Guardians Make Their Own Fate
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I'd argue that having nothing to do in those spaces is what makes them dead, not the lack of comms. Now if you could message people for raids etc then you could team up, but again, it's the social spaces that are the issue in that regard.
Just being able to talk to people in social spaces would constitute as something to do and you'd be surprised just how much of a draw that can be. In MMO's having a place to shit talk is a rather big draw lol.
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Okay, so I just listened to the Crucible Radio Podcast with News (weapons designer) and Klawdd (Subclass designer) twice and what an incredible interview. If you are salty about anything you read about it via that bullshit reddit post, you owe it to yourself to listen to this. Heck, if you care about D2 at all, you should listen to it. They go into such fascinating detail about the foundational design goals for D2 and the problems that D1 had that it's practically required listening.
One example is going from Random Rolls to Fixed Rolls. In D1, when you described guns, like Eyasluna with Luck in the Chamber, Rifled and Rangefinger, you were mostly talking about perks, not the gun itself. And that is very complicated and generates this perception (true or not) that those perks are required for the gun. And what happens when you get a random perk combo that's OP? It's impossible to balance. Take Eyasluna with Range Finder again. You can't nerf Range Finder, because that nerfs it for every other gun where it's not OP. And you can't nerf Eyasluna's range because then Range Finder becomes required. Fixed rolls reduces the possible space so things can be tailored specifically to fill different playstyles. It also removes the anxiety of getting the gun you want to drop and then inspecting it to find Grenadier and Exhumed.
But really, you should give it a listen. They talk about so much and it's fascinating. These guys are whip crack smart and it gives me tons of hope for Destiny 2's future.
One example is going from Random Rolls to Fixed Rolls. In D1, when you described guns, like Eyasluna with Luck in the Chamber, Rifled and Rangefinger, you were mostly talking about perks, not the gun itself. And that is very complicated and generates this perception (true or not) that those perks are required for the gun. And what happens when you get a random perk combo that's OP? It's impossible to balance. Take Eyasluna with Range Finder again. You can't nerf Range Finder, because that nerfs it for every other gun where it's not OP. And you can't nerf Eyasluna's range because then Range Finder becomes required. Fixed rolls reduces the possible space so things can be tailored specifically to fill different playstyles. It also removes the anxiety of getting the gun you want to drop and then inspecting it to find Grenadier and Exhumed.
But really, you should give it a listen. They talk about so much and it's fascinating. These guys are whip crack smart and it gives me tons of hope for Destiny 2's future.
pvp in this game is a nightmare for solo players. in d1 i had a kd between 1.5-2 across all characters with a high combat rating, but i'm not doing well at all in this game. and even when i am doing well, it's just so god damn boring.
As much as I want a reason to play, not sure if I want random rolls. Not since second week of me being level 20 and getting bright engrams have I seen another instant spawn on sparrows. I got 2, then never again now couple months later.
I think i might be able to like it, if not for the radar
Giving everyone wallhack is just awful
THIS. The dupes are incredible! It's another thing that's killing my desire to play... Grind, grind, get a couple exotics.
Then they roll out to the same four things....at a power level that doesn't even help.
I just want actual perks back on armor pieces, or at least make more mod perks and the ability to have multiple mods on armor pieces. Other than maybe more scopes, I feel like we won't ever get real mod customization on guns. But Armor? They already have nothing, so at this point the only difference between most armor is just what it looks like. I grinded for (And got lucky) to get the Iron Banner Titan armor this past week and the only thing it changed compared to my current armor setup was that it looked different. It had the exact same recovery, resilience and mobility set up as my other armor.
I bought merciless on friday and since then I've gotten 3 more from exotic engrams.
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Same. I didn't mind the random rolls. Would like the game to have more variety of perks though. Biggest knock I can place against the fixed rolls, very few stand out in a particular way, not to mention the whole issue with repeated drops takes out any excitement of getting gear since you know what you're getting.
I make do with what they provide, but I am interested to see how they're going to address the end game stuff in the coming week (weeks?).
I don't think this helm is going to happen. I have one more day of challenges to get it. I can't complain too much though, I've opened 22 engrams and I got all the armor besides the helm. However, missing one piece is going to annoy me.
I mean, it wouldn't be much of a social space if all you could was kick a ball around or some extravagant game/activity. Having chat at the very least on PC means I can actually tell people an event is up or I need help or something.
It's times like this, being wide awake, late at night, where I wish Grimoire was still a thing. Anyone else miss it? I sure do. All they had to do was put it in game, all together, in one place and easy to access. But no, they just got rid of it entirely.
No dead Ghosts. Nothing equivalent to the Book of Sorrows for Ghaul, Calus, the Leviathan, the Cabal or anything, besides the raid gear and exotics. No interesting lore to give depth to an incredible universe. Nope...just shoot things and get stuff. Because that's what we wanted. A Triple-A mobile game...
No dead Ghosts. Nothing equivalent to the Book of Sorrows for Ghaul, Calus, the Leviathan, the Cabal or anything, besides the raid gear and exotics. No interesting lore to give depth to an incredible universe. Nope...just shoot things and get stuff. Because that's what we wanted. A Triple-A mobile game...
Random rolls became more about the perks than the actual guns that much is true.
But if you're going to remove them, surely you would have to double...nay triple the depth and diversity of the loot pool to compensate.
In D1 it took too long to grind out a weapon's perk to be active that or spunk out on a lot of motes of light but now...the problem is just as bad except there is no incentive to use the weapon to open new slots - they overcorrected to a point where the problem was not fixed it created a new problem of bearly any perks at all.
But if you're going to remove them, surely you would have to double...nay triple the depth and diversity of the loot pool to compensate.
In D1 it took too long to grind out a weapon's perk to be active that or spunk out on a lot of motes of light but now...the problem is just as bad except there is no incentive to use the weapon to open new slots - they overcorrected to a point where the problem was not fixed it created a new problem of bearly any perks at all.
Everyone needs to see this..
Gambling at its best.
tl;dw 600 tokens to get a full set of Iron banner armor
Gambling at its best.
tl;dw 600 tokens to get a full set of Iron banner armor
A friend and I are looking for a third person to do the Nightfall Prestige. We would start ASAP. Ideally in the next 10 minutes.
Anyone interested?
Anyone interested?
Yep, agreed. I'm not sure what else you could do. But I guess they realised that the social spaces aren't really that important and the actual fun stuff is on the planets.
Probably time to move on if this is where your view on the game is at. Havent really seen a positive post on d2 in a while. Must be disappointing seeing as you love d1 so much.
hes just gonna say the same thing he always does every day. I complain cuz I care, because I give a damn, because I want this game to be better, because I've put hundreds of hours into this $60 product already, etc etc
But what if, the game is allowed to be mediocre (against your views and opinions) and that is okay.
Again, some of the stuff they do is weird, yes. But unless they totally fucked up the game ala Star cards and bf2 etc, we just need to go along. And we all care ofc we are on a game forum debating this shit. But just because we care doesn't mean we deserve to be pandered too, or have something be changed to our liking. I'm sorry if people arent enjoying aspects of d2, but this is the direction they are going because of 1. Time constraints (y'all want so much content, and then complain when they cut things so they have the resources and time to make said things) and 2. Money (hey guess what guys, AAA games cost a fuck ton and games should be more than 60 dollars ya know? So microtransactions and more business decisions will reign over adding in a fuck ton of grimoire lore cause that don't make money).
Destiny 2 is a really good game, enjoy it for what it is. Seperate it from the first one, games aren't the same as they were when it launched. Hell, games aren't the same as they were last year.
Again, some of the stuff they do is weird, yes. But unless they totally fucked up the game ala Star cards and bf2 etc, we just need to go along. And we all care ofc we are on a game forum debating this shit. But just because we care doesn't mean we deserve to be pandered too, or have something be changed to our liking. I'm sorry if people arent enjoying aspects of d2, but this is the direction they are going because of 1. Time constraints (y'all want so much content, and then complain when they cut things so they have the resources and time to make said things) and 2. Money (hey guess what guys, AAA games cost a fuck ton and games should be more than 60 dollars ya know? So microtransactions and more business decisions will reign over adding in a fuck ton of grimoire lore cause that don't make money).
Destiny 2 is a really good game, enjoy it for what it is. Seperate it from the first one, games aren't the same as they were when it launched. Hell, games aren't the same as they were last year.
The core mechanics are fine. Playing with other people is still enjoyable. There's just A LOT that can improve and should be better
Yep. This. I love the game and the community. It's easy for me to not care about things. Im upset because I know Bungie can do better. I know they can and know eventually they will.
Some may remember that I was HUGE Gears of War fan. On the old forum I was one of the resident Gears junkies. I still love Gears, but I've slowly lost passion. After years of bullshit and disappoint, I just had to walk away. I just got fed up with Epic and now, The Coalition missing the mark so many times and clearly not listening to it's fans.
I luckily got into the Destiny alpha and liked it. I played the beta too, but still wasn't totally convinced. I bought it at launch on whim, and well... I've been hooked ever since.
A game as big as Destiny isn't allowed to be mediocre. Bungie's prestige, being backed by Activision and the overall hype and expectations? Come on. They have no excuse at this point. Not with as many people they have and how much money they've made.
Hell, no developer or publisher should have that mindset, that it's okay to ship a sub standard product. I don't expect a life changing experience from every game I play, but I expect a quality product with some thought behind it. I don't expect ground breaking content every month. Just give me substantial reasons for me to come back every week that leaves me with a sense of accomplishment.
There's no justification for Bungie to have gone backwards. Why cut out so many improvements from year 2 and year 3? Everyone here, myself included, has already explained in exhausting detail, how Bungie fucked up. They don't need more feedback. Ball's in their court. Let's see if they can turn things around.
Thank goodness CoO drops next week. Hopefully the Dawning and season 2's QoL updates put the game back on track.
Also would be an amazing way to add in replayability. Bring in Halo: Reach's challenge and commendation system back and at the end of those, tie in cosmetics and grimoire unlocks.
For a world like Destiny, I would entertain lore as part of the endgame loot cycle.
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Assume an average match takes 7-8 minutes, plus 2 minutes of matchmaking and loading in. So, ~10 mins per game.
111 x 10 = 1110 minutes, or 19 hours (approx).
Antiope and Warlock class item have forsaken me.
Was really hoping to have these two before DLC hits. This week is my last chance.
Was really hoping to have these two before DLC hits. This week is my last chance.
Given how overdesigned a lot of Destiny 2's systems are, I really wouldn't be surprised if their random rolls were weighted in order to give each player a slightly different progression path and experience.
Bungie is full of incredibly talented, passionate, cool people that are great to socialize with. If I worked there, negativity and hyperbole spreading across the various community venues would deter me from participating, especially when making games is hard and soul-crushing all by itself. It's the difference between being a friend who can give valuable criticism or being an asshole bully, and the community at large is giving off the latter vibe of late, and that sentiment becomes viral. I think the Destiny community at large should think very critically and act very purposefully to create a healthier culture that benefits everyone: the players, the developers, and then necessarily, the game.
BTW anyone here on PSN that likes running Trials or Prestige activities, send a FR to HiredN00bs
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I've been on both ends of the stick, and getting chewed out by players does suck. But from a PR and community side, there are easy ways to address that--the least of which would be to acknowledge that players are being heard, or that changes are coming.
Bungie could've chosen to control the narrative, but they opted for silence instead, and let the community assume the worst and fester. As a result, sentiment has been in a long decline. Players have been posting their grievances for months to no acknowledgement. Hotfixes and patches go by that don't address even the most basic issues. So now we're at where we're at, and it's definitely not the community's fault.
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Nope they will disappear after it is done. The engram progress with saladin will stay the same for each character though so it is worth pumping everything in even if you wont get an engram.
Took me 840 IB Tokens to get a full Hunter set during the first IB on Xbox and I remember it taking even more for other players around that time on GAF.
Slot Machines/Token system is the worst RNG Destiny has ever had in it's lifespan but you gotta put something in place to create a pointless chase (in most cases) when the loot pool is so basic/boring and minuscule with static stats/perks.
I haven't touched IB on Xbox this time around (played on PC) and I have an IB Token in my inventory which I'm assuming was left over from the first go around.
See, conceptualizing Bungie as a singular entity is the first mistake. They are a huge team of people, any and all of which could choose to engage the community and have real, human conversations. That's the type of community and culture we should develop and grow. DeeJ could never possibly understand every system and the work being done to modify them even if he worked 80 hours a week. You wanna have a conversation about investment? Talk to someone from the investment team. But that's never gonna happen if everyone just keeps talking about how the people at Bungie fucking suck, how they don't care about the game, how they're incompetent, how they're stupid, how they're exploitative, how they're failures, etc.
They aren't leaving the loot pool are they? Or was it something you just wanted out of the way before we hit season 2?
Ok it must be the changeover to season 2 will delete all your unsused tokens for it. I know faction rally removes all of them from your inventory at the start of the event due to the clan bonus dropping random tokens in between rallies.
Probably a clan reward token, I got one 2 weeks ago after a Calus clear that stuck around.
Wanted to speak to some of these points individually, because they don't line up to my experience in the industry.
See, conceptualizing Bungie as a singular entity is the first mistake.
From a branding perspective, they are absolutely a singular entity. I'd argue that of AAA developers, there might not be any company more singular than Bungie. They don't try to publicize rockstars, their player-facing communications are diegetic, and it seems only a few employees are authorized to speak to the public, and only after marketing has filtered the messaging. I can't blame a particular designer even if I wanted to, because they have no visibility.
They are a huge team of people, any and all of which could choose to engage the community and have real, human conversations. That's the type of community and culture we should develop and grow.
Kind of referred to this before, but I doubt most of them are allowed to speak to the public.
But that's never gonna happen if everyone just keeps talking about how the people at Bungie fucking suck, how they don't care about the game, how they're incompetent, how they're stupid, how they're exploitative, how they're failures, etc.
Obviously this should never be done. But the majority of criticisms I'm seeing on places like Reddit are legitimate. And we're only at this stage because of the lack of communication for months.
As a new player who only has a single character up to PL249 currently (been playing less than a week), is there anything I can reasonably hope to accomplish before the end of season 1? Considering I only get to play for a couple hours per day maximum, I'm already feeling like I have more than enough to do per weekly reset period. Are there things I will miss out on forever since I didn't get very long to do Iron Banner stuff?
Mostly cosmetic things, I would not worry about it too much unless you're a player who likes to collect everything. Aim at getting your Power Level up to 280 and beyond so you can partake in end-game activities.
You are fine for IB gear as the original stuff will remain in the loot pool but ornament slots will be added to change the look. I don't think the faction rally gear is changing but you may not be able to get the shaders from s1 as they are changing.
Saying the game sucks or hoping people get fired (or worse) doesn't do anyone favors. But saying that Bungie is incompetent and lacks transparency is fair criticism.
The words "toxic" and "salty" aren't even buzzwords. They're stupid memes that have lost all meaning. What do you expect? Yeah, people are naturally gonna pissed that a product they love, talk about, dream about, think about and use every single and spent money on, isn't up to their standards or expectations. They're gonna be vocal. Some will be constructive, some won't. That's just how things are.
If Bungie really cares and truly understand their community, they'll show and prove. In time, I think they will. They have no other choice.
The words "toxic" and "salty" aren't even buzzwords. They're stupid memes that have lost all meaning. What do you expect? Yeah, people are naturally gonna pissed that a product they love, talk about, dream about, think about and use every single and spent money on, isn't up to their standards or expectations. They're gonna be vocal. Some will be constructive, some won't. That's just how things are.
If Bungie really cares and truly understand their community, they'll show and prove. In time, I think they will. They have no other choice.
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