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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
- Thread starter Phoenix Splash
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Another point a while ago is how the video game outlets haven't reported a single thing. Absolutely nothing. There is no way they wouldn't know about PS5 if it was coming next year, and they absolutely wouldn't want to miss out on being one of, if not, the first to report on it. There just isn't any info out there and, to go along with the point of early 2019 news being the limit for a potential late 2019 release, that just says it all really. You can't keep a massive launch like PS5 under wraps no matter how much easier the transition from one gen to the next gen is.
No one hasn't reported anything simply because PS5 isn't coming out in 2019.
No one hasn't reported anything simply because PS5 isn't coming out in 2019.
Yeah, that is true. I just want to give Team 2019 as much hope as possible. They deserve at least that much. ;)
Well, I suspect that there will be a very powerful boost mode at the very least. So hopefully we see some games, at the very least, getting patches to make their 30fps caps optional.
Of course :)
I bet we also gonna get GTA5 PS5/NextXbox 4K/60 fps version as well.
With full $60 price,of course.
haha true but even pro details leaked before PS meeting for Pro , no? so how come we expect the meeting for PS5 without a single leak? do you think team 2019 is just dreaming at this point ?haha
I'm assuming games that have dynamic scaling or a option of uncapped framrate will get a boost without the need of a patch.
Bingo. So at least we can probably look forward to native 4K Spider-Man and whatnot.
i m sure many of sony first party and second party games of 2018 onwards are already ready to run at higher resolution /frame rate on PS5 sue to them knowing some info on PS5. Just like what media molecule said about PS5 and PS4
GDC2019 would be the hard cut off point, I would think.
It's in San Francisco March 18th-22nd 2019
This;
We didn't know much about Pro until close to it being ready...the thought process is that if that can be kept as quiet as it was then PS5 could also.
not sure, found this elsewhere;
"As of right now the specifications are pretty much finalized some of the parts are a bit pricey at the moment so it wont be released for a while. Looking at another year to year and a half before its released but it should be announced very soon. Development kits are circulating Bend, Santa Monica, ND and Sucker Punch and Guerrilla are all hands on. The machine is 100% backwards compatible and very powerful. I have a better format but just to get it out there to you AMD Ryzen cpu custom configuration 3.20 ghz, 7nm Navi gpu 1.121 ghz 18GB RAM @880GB/s"
That's what he said originally, not the after work update
care to elaborate?
Is it that it's semi-accurate and he's expecting something more solid 'after work' - which was Sunday?
Dreams are a powerful thing. Just let them enjoy their remaining time with them. They will awaken after early 2019.
Bless.
PS5 is on another level though. The clicks from being the first to report on PS5 would be too juicy.
Can't report if you have little to no info though.
I don't quite understand - there have been leaks (though we don't know how accurate those are), the point is though that Pro was kept very quiet (in fact some details of PS4 were completely kept quiet until the reveal)...so whilst I tend to agree around the noise levels, there are some signs that are aligning with a 2019/early 2020 release...I did list a load of stuff a while back.
End of the day, if we get to March with no more news it's safe to say it's 2020...just then we can speculate when in 2020 lol
No way to tell without knowing other factors like CU count etc.. But the clock speed he mentioned is unusually low compared to 14/7nm Vega GPUs. So it's either fake, or they use a very big GPU with a lot of CUs (which is unlikely imo). To illustrate this: If AMD's newly announced 7nm Radeon Instinct MI60 had the leaked clock speed, I think we would be looking at ~9.1 TF. Imo there is no way Sony will only have single digit TF performance.
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For $399 console in 2019 that is perfectly realistic.I expect for a long time we gonna get 9-10 TF gpu.
Vega has that issue of not scaling very well with the number of CUs past 56, though. Since the MI60 are HPC parts, AMD solves it by just cranking clocks/voltages and calling it a day. Since consoles have very, very different priorities (and seemingly Navi is being developed at least partially with consoles in mind), it isn't unreasonable to think they'll try to change that.
If they went with the equivalent of 80 CUs, at 1.121ghz, we're talking some 11.5TF.
He is on a never ending (business) trip .... not coming back before 2020 when the PS5 will be released with completely different specs to what he claimed ...
dont you rather wait a year and get 11 to 14 TF? and enjoy the generation with more beautiful games?
To release a weak console like that is better wait 2020. 9 tflops will be a ridiculous jump for a next-gen.
You need to remember that 4k will eat most of the flops. With 9 TFLOPS will still have Battlefield games with drops all the time on framerate.
9 TFLOPS is less than a Vega56(~10.56) and vega56 can't handle 1440p properly. it will be a disaster a weak console like that.
12TFLOPS need to be the target when we talk about AMD flops.
No.RDR2,GoW,Uncharted 4 are already gorgeous games.Playing them at ~ 4K 60 fps is enough for me.
He's just Really Passionate About The Company.
All indications are that waiting a year wouldn't bring that kind of jump. An 11-14TF console is perfectly doable next year, though it could require $499 or a more heavily subsidised price.
I still think PS5 will not reveal at PS Meeting in February they still have a good year coming for PS4 why the Cut it?
but maybe in PSX and Still don't think it will reveal there but in February 2020 it's more realistic....Same goes With the XB
but maybe in PSX and Still don't think it will reveal there but in February 2020 it's more realistic....Same goes With the XB
RDR2 already runs at native 4K on 1X 6TF.So i am not worried at all.
thast the most likely scenario as well for me.as for PS5 we dont even have a project name yet and no leak .and we expect a PS meeting in 2 months. just doesnt make sense. For PS meetings of PS4 and PS4 pro we had the full details(ok 90% of details) leaked before the meetings . we have absolutely nothing now . and as you said PS4 sales is above their expectation. so they are in no rush
Most people won't upgrade their consoles if it's to play the same games at higher resolution and at double the frame rate.
I expect at least 11tf and there will be a lot of games playing at sub 4K 30fps
thats one game . most games this gen require 8 TF to run 4k at their base FPS(which is mostly 30FPS). beside next gen lighting and particle effects will require extra computing power.
So even with 11 to 12 TF you will still get many games at 4k and 30 still due to engines becoming more demanding . we are not in vacuum man . effects improve and need more power
It's the most beautiful open world game i ever seen.RDR2 is already "next gen" for me,frankly.
This is what i expected from next gen games to look like.
I guess for marketing reasons alone they want to reach at least 10TF. Anything less sounds extremely conservative when you compare it to Xbox One X which already has 6TF with a 16nm chip.
And 9.1TF is awfully close to 8.4TF, which is about the performance needed to run PS4 Pro games at 60fps (= 2 x 4.2TF). Which means the higher we get beyond 8.4TF, the higher chance there is for more 60fps games.
Certainly possible, I would have guessed that it might be easier to just increase clocks a bit instead of increasing chip size, but of course in the end only they know where they can get the best performance for their money.
well once you see next gen games ,like GTAVI or horizon 2 you will feel differently. in xbox360 / ps3 days when i was playing gears of war or alan wake or god of war or uncharted or heavy rain or last of us i would say my god these games are gorgeous and look already next gen to me. but once i saw the next gen beautiful games i realized they were lacking compared to today's standard (naturally).same will happen with RDR2 ;)
Doesn't that depend much more on Zen2 cpu and not gpu in PS5...?
Anyway,i am sure Sony wants to sell mass market $399 box with minimal loss.It will have mid range type PC specs,so i keep my expectations in check.
Same story like PS4 back in 2013...it was huge success for them and i bet they want to repeat it.
Indeed.
3rd parties will probably patch 2020 games, but older games will just be like super pro versions.
Yup, let's not forget that's a minimum 5x the PS4 (9TF) so a nice upgrade for the base of games moving forward...I'm also expecting more regular releases (like Pro) and moving forward maybe a 3-4 more incremental (probably the wrong word, but you know what I mean - 2/3x vs 6x) upgrade like mobile phones (sort of).
TF is just one factor, the big improvement next gen will be a vastly improved CPU. Everything is currently held back by the weakest link (XBO) including the X because the game is designed to fit on the lowest spec. Imagine games designed to fit on a lowest spec 7.5x the power of XBO.
Increasing clocks is (way) less perf/watt efficient than increasing GPU size, all other things equal. From an optimization perspective, you always want to have the largest GPU you can, clocked as low as you can get away with.
Reports have a 2x density increase and 50% power reduction for 7nm. Depending on how big a Zen 2 CCX ends up being, an 80CU equivalent GPU (assuming a bunch of stuff, like Navi being roughly equivalent to Vega in size) would roughly fit within a 350 to 360mm² APU with the expected thermal envelope. A lot of big assumptions, of course, but I say it's in the ballpark.
Well it seems like there is a pretty good chance that we might get an 8-core Zen 2 CPU, which will be good enough even for complex 60fps games. So I'm not too worried about that part. But you also need a GPU that can deliver a nice next-gen jump, otherwise you risk that your 60fps games look to close to 30fps last-gen games. That's why having lots of TF increases the chance for 60fps games.
Anything really. I've gone weeks without coming on here for no particular reason. Life just happens and an internet forum is like the last thing on my mind. Dude could've been planning on posting something after work but is caught up with other things. Not like actually posting on here is a 2 minute thing since you'd likely have to stick around for a bit.
Just my two cents.
I think the assumption the lead time between reveal of the specs and dissemination of devkits being able to shorter because of the similarity in underlying processor archetecture is quite naive.
Consoles aren't like PCs and so don't have the level of software abstraction PCs do. So AMD will still need to provide Sony with newly written compilers and Sony will need to write a new OS and SDK for the new hardware, which all needs to be tested and approved with early devkits before any devkits can get released externally into the wild.
It's still a considerable amount of software engineering effort, despite the ability to re-use alot of the existing codebase from PS4.
Not to mention the fact that all this has to be tested and certified long before launch to get it into the hands of developers to provide them with enough time to integrate the new platform SDK into their development pipeline, engine and tools.
It would a terrible mistake for a console maker to assume they can hold stuff back for longer.
It's also nothing like the Pro situation because the Pro essentially is designed to run any PS4 code out of the box and nothing else. So much of the developer's production pipeline and tools remain largely the same. It's a much less significant change, primarily because the Pro wasn't a nrand new platform, where the PS5 will be.
Consoles aren't like PCs and so don't have the level of software abstraction PCs do. So AMD will still need to provide Sony with newly written compilers and Sony will need to write a new OS and SDK for the new hardware, which all needs to be tested and approved with early devkits before any devkits can get released externally into the wild.
It's still a considerable amount of software engineering effort, despite the ability to re-use alot of the existing codebase from PS4.
Not to mention the fact that all this has to be tested and certified long before launch to get it into the hands of developers to provide them with enough time to integrate the new platform SDK into their development pipeline, engine and tools.
It would a terrible mistake for a console maker to assume they can hold stuff back for longer.
It's also nothing like the Pro situation because the Pro essentially is designed to run any PS4 code out of the box and nothing else. So much of the developer's production pipeline and tools remain largely the same. It's a much less significant change, primarily because the Pro wasn't a nrand new platform, where the PS5 will be.