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2Blackcats

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Not in particular, but it's exclusive to PS VR, if I'm correct? Then it should just use Pro's power for extra graphical enhancements like lesser jaggies etc. This should happen out of the box for a PS VR exclusive, so probably not worth mentioning.

It's not exclusive afaik.

Edit: Unless you meant exclusive to VR.
 

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I saw that some of the games on the list have "Improved AF". What does that mean? =/

Improved antistropic filtering

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here's an example of no AF vs 16x AF (rare for console games)
 

Crumpo

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Oct 28, 2017
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Not in particular, but it's exclusive to PS VR, if I'm correct? Then it should just use Pro's power for extra graphical enhancements like lesser jaggies etc. This should happen out of the box for a PS VR exclusive, so probably not worth mentioning.

So resolution bumps, extra detail and FR improvements are all possibilities with a pro patch for VR games. Getting even one of these things isn't guaranteed, hence why I thought it would be worth mentioning.
 
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Liabe Brave

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Darksiders 2 Deathinitive Edition is included with PS Plus next month.

What did the Pro patch add earlier this year?

...Anyone wanna try a pixel count? I'm assuming it downsamples for 1080p displays as the first game does on the Pro.
Yeah, I saw those long ago. They're 1080p. In fact, the only difference is in the shadows setting. So from this evidence, the Pro support in Darksiders II consists only of a (slightly) improved shadows mode that you can turn off if you want.

This makes no sense, so I've assumed that there are other things that simply aren't visible in this one screenshot. But I haven't been able to find more screens to analyze.
 
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kc44135

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So, Darksiders 2 is part of next month's PS+ line-up, and I noticed it isn't listed on the PRO support list here. Didn't it get PRO enhancements, or am I mistaken? If so, what's it like on PRO, y'all?

Edit: Ah, it appears my question has already been answered. It's a shame we only get better shadows on PRO. Quite a lacklustre effort, I would say.
 

Vashetti

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, I saw those long ago. They're 1080p. In fact, the only difference is in the shadows setting. So from this evidence, the Pro support in Darksiders II consists only if a (slightly) improved shadows mode that you can turn off if you want.

This makes no sense, so I've assumed that there are other things that simply aren't visible in this one screenshot. But I haven't been able to find more screens to analyze.

I just noticed it's only listed in the Boost Mode section in the OP. It should come under Pro-enhanced, right? Even if the only difference is the inclusion of the shadow quality option.
 

chandoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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I just noticed it's only listed in the Boost Mode section in the OP. It should come under Pro-enhanced, right? Even if the only difference is the inclusion of the shadow quality option.

Once the game goes on PS+, I'm sure we'll have a lot more samples for it. Right now Liabe simply hasnt been able to get enough material from it to make a final assessment.
 

Vashetti

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Once the game goes on PS+, I'm sure we'll have a lot more samples for it. Right now Liabe simply hasnt been able to get enough material from it to make a final assessment.

But it is a Pro-enhanced game, the shadow quality option is Pro-exclusive. It's simply in the wrong section in the OP.
 
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Liabe Brave

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But it is a Pro-enhanced game, the shadow quality option is Pro-exclusive. It's simply in the wrong section in the OP.
This is a state other games have been in too, just for shorter times. I don't like to add anything to the main list that I'm missing data on. But you're right that it's misleading to keep it in Boost for so long, though. I should probably remove it completely until I find something.
 

Rob2K19

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Oct 27, 2017
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Doesn't matter whether it is a Pro or Standard as long as you future purchases but Kingdom Hearts 1.5+2.5 and 2.8.
 

Appollowexx

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Wow this is amazing work, thank you. Recently picked up a Pro to replace my aging launch console and it's great as a current 1080p gamer to have a guide like this showing the differences I can expect.
 

Vashetti

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beau_beaumont

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I have an Xbox one s and a PS4 pro but my tv only has one port that can handle 4k and HDR10. I rarely watch 4k blu-rays, so I have my pro hooked up to the hdmi 2.0a port.

If I want to watch a blu-ray (which is honestly once in a blue moon) is there an hdmi switch I can buy that will suit my needs? I don't have the budget for an expensive A/V receiver right now, so it would have to be something more affordable. Just wondering.
 

Appollowexx

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[QUOTE="Vashetti, post: 1525262, member: 11833"Check out my thread too if you want to see which games don't downsample for 1080p displays.[/QUOTE]

Ok thanks, certainly will.
 

chandoog

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Liabe Brave cross posting from the XBX Skyrim/Fallout patch topic, here's some screens from Skyrim PS4 with the latest patch, can you determine with these if they introduced any dynamic scaling ? To my eye balls, it looks the same as before. Performance is also pretty good, they must've ironed out the launch-time kinks which caused the performance to drop below OG PS4.

 
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Liabe Brave cross posting from the XBX Skyrim/Fallout patch topic, here's some screens from Skyrim PS4 with the latest patch, can you determine with these if they introduced any dynamic scaling ? To my eye balls, it looks the same as before. Performance is also pretty good, they must've ironed out the launch-time kinks which caused the performance to drop below OG PS4.
Thanks very much for these! All of them* show native 3840x2160 with no signs of reconstruction. And I specifically counted verticals and horizontals, to rule out any anamorphic scaling as well. Obviously these are a small part of the game, but since they cover a variety of views with geometry both close and far from the camera, and reflective and volumetric effects onscreen, I'd say there's likely no dynamic scaling involved. Looks like the game is still flat native 4K.


*Except the motion blurred shot, which is pretty uncountable
 

Kage Maru

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The game only ran into issues during scenes with heavy alpha effects like fog, right? Even then the performance dips were minor IIRC. Really solid upgrade overall IMO.
 

EricTheCleric

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Oct 27, 2017
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I have ordered a PS4 pro and moved all my installed games on my current PS4 to my extended drive.
I will just have to add the drive to my new PS4 pro (after logging in and making it my primary) and the games will start updating while the Pro is in rest mode or do I need to update manually?
Or are the games already enhanced through earlier updates on my regular PS4 and I can start testing directly?
 

chandoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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Today I learned that for the past year, since getting the Pro, I have been using it on 2.4Ghz wifi even though my router supports 5Ghz. Just on a whim (because I was shopping for cat 6 cables) I decided to just check it .. and yep it was connected to my 2.4Ghz network.

So .. I changed it to 5Ghz and just to test it out popped in the Doom disc to download the 18GB update (yes it's really that large if you don't have them installed) and holy freaking crap. The difference in what I was getting before to now is immense. Even the PSN internet test went from 24MBps to 96MBps, much closer to my 100MBps connection, I have been under utilizing my network and complaining about PSN download speeds when all along it was my fault. Sigh.

Anyway, y'all should definitely make sure you're connected via 5Ghz Wifi if your routers support it. It makes a *HUGE* difference.
 

Kage Maru

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Odd, my average speed when testing went down when I switched to 5Ghz. It's been a long time since I tested it though and should test again when I get home.
 

chandoog

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^ I really can't recommended ethernet enough.

There's no excuse about the router being too far away these days when these exist.

Yeah I've looked at some of those. The only thing I'm worried about is that I'm moving to a new house which was built in the 70's and I'm not sure whether the wiring there would be able to work with these devices adequately. I've read that older wiring can cause degradation in power line adapter strength.
 

Vashetti

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Yeah I've looked at some of those. The only thing I'm worried about is that I'm moving to a new house which was built in the 70's and I'm not sure whether the wiring there would be able to work with these devices adequately. I've read that older wiring can cause degradation in power line adapter strength.

When you move you could possibly buy a pair of adapters, and return them if they aren't adequate enough for you?

I'm lucky that my setup allows me to have my Pro literally centimetres away from my router, so it's hooked up with ethernet, same as my PS3. I swear by it.
 

chandoog

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Odd, my average speed when testing went down when I switched to 5Ghz. It's been a long time since I tested it though and should test again when I get home.

5Ghz generally has a lot more rapid loss in signal strength so if your router is some distance away from the console and if there's electronics in the path (like fridges, microwaves,even phones),it would have expected loss. So if you're able to move either of the things, router or console, to a different area you might be big gains.

When you move you could possibly buy a pair of adapters, and return them if they aren't adequate enough for you?

I'm lucky that my setup allows me to have my Pro literally centimetres away from my router, so it's hooked up with ethernet, same as my PS3. I swear by it.

That's the plan. I'll get some from best buy and check it out.
 

Kage Maru

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5Ghz generally has a lot more rapid loss in signal strength so if your router is some distance away from the console and if there's electronics in the path (like fridges, microwaves,even phones),it would have expected loss. So if you're able to move either of the things, router or console, to a different area you might be big gains.

Hey thanks for the heads up. I was actually told the opposite from the guy who installed my internet but what you're saying makes more sense from my experience. I want to get a longer cable but i just haven't gotten around to it yet.
 

Moebius

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Oct 28, 2017
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Can anyone help me with some instructions on how to remove the hard drive cover on the ps4 pro? I'm losing my mind here. I don't understand what I'm supposed to be doing and why this is so difficult. Do I simply pull the tab towards me as hard as I can? It won't budge.
 

Guppeth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can anyone help me with some instructions on how to remove the hard drive cover on the ps4 pro? I'm losing my mind here. I don't understand what I'm supposed to be doing and why this is so difficult. Do I simply pull the tab towards me as hard as I can? It won't budge.
Yes. I hated doing it, it felt like it was going to snap for sure.
 

KalBalboa

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Oct 30, 2017
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Someone from Naughty Dog confirmed on the PS Blog today that PS2 titles run better on a Pro. They had zero other information, but they made a point to mention that the Pro ran PS2 on PS4 games better.
 

Smash-It Stan

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Someone from Naughty Dog confirmed on the PS Blog today that PS2 titles run better on a Pro. They had zero other information, but they made a point to mention that the Pro ran PS2 on PS4 games better.
Doubt it honestly, I don't remember the Jak games running that bad if at all back in the day so I don't know what they could be benefiting from. Psychonauts was a bad port for the ps2 and it's bad for PS4, and Metal Slug retained the terrible heavy input lag from the ps2 as well.
 
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Yes. I hated doing it, it felt like it was going to snap for sure.
This is a thing? I've swapped the HDD on 3 Pro systems so far and I never felt this way.



Doubt it honestly, I don't remember the Jak games running that bad if at all back in the day so I don't know what they could be benefiting from. Psychonauts was a bad port for the ps2 and it's bad for PS4, and Metal Slug retained the terrible heavy input lag from the ps2 as well.
Doubt all you want but its pretty simple, isn't it? Pro's boost mode means those PS2 games will have better load times and access to slightly more CPU and GPU. Better doesn't mean it will be a massive difference, though. Just better.
 

Fastidioso

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Liabe Brave cross posting from the XBX Skyrim/Fallout patch topic, here's some screens from Skyrim PS4 with the latest patch, can you determine with these if they introduced any dynamic scaling ? To my eye balls, it looks the same as before. Performance is also pretty good, they must've ironed out the launch-time kinks which caused the performance to drop below OG PS4.

Are you so sure? Because Skyrim on the X uses dynamic res. I have great doubt Bethesda has ironed out performance issue on Pro without change the res. I'm leaning to believe they haven't fixed anything. Keep in mind Fallout has practically the same fps difference between the pro and X seen on Skyrim between ps4 base vs pro. The only real difference is that fps is practically locked on Skyrim on base ps4 where on Fallout is unstable everywhere. I doubt Bethesda care to fix 2/3 fps of drops on Pro in Skyrim, knowing their background.
 

2Blackcats

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Are you so sure? Because Skyrim on the X uses dynamic res. I have great doubt Bethesda has ironed out performance issue on Pro without change the res. I'm leaning to believe they haven't fixed anything. Keep in mind Fallout has practically the same fps difference between the pro and X seen on Skyrim between ps4 base vs pro. The only real difference is that fps is practically locked on Skyrim on base ps4 where on Fallout is unstable everywhere. I doubt Bethesda care to fix 2/3 fps of drops on Pro in Skyrim, knowing their background.

The drops were fixed with a patch a while ago afaik. Not the recent one.