That's the sad thing about all of this. It feels like there's a real moment for growth, but it's being missed just barely.
Ah, so gender discrimination is fine, racial discrimination is where you draw the line.
I guess I was under the impression you did not support people going after Boogie or the people who willfully associate with them when you said this:
It's a symptom of gaming community/press, it's a popularity contest. The nominees are selected by press and the winner by press and public vote. Keighley has made an effort of promoting inclusiveness with the show (which hardly anyone seems to care about) and isn't denying anyone opportunities. But he doesn't control the media and gaming community. The industry is also involved in the show and absolutely no one pulled away because of Ninja. Nintendo didn't take a stance, Sony didn't take a stance, Microsoft didn't take a stance. They were all fine with having Ninja nominated for an award. So don't put this just on the show. Everyone at the show were giving their silent acceptance, at audience and on stage.
If you can "demonize" Boogie and educate him at the same time, why can't you for people who associate with him? If you agree he should be demonized because of his views, I don't get why you wouldn't want to do that to all vectors of those views that would enable/spread them.
In this instance, these are people with large platforms. Geoff sent a public tweet inviting Boogie to the awards. Geoff elected to let Ninja be present to take an award and make a speech. They were recognized in an official capacity publicly, and gained legitimacy. This is a tacit endorsement of these individuals. He chose to potentially lead people to them, and in a favorable light.
Let's go back to the well of... 2 pages ago.
That's your justification for discrimination? "It's his life, can't hate on that"? Shit, if that's the bar I guess anyone can do anything and ya can't say shit.
Yes, humans have flaws. Humans also have the capability to do something about them. We don't just throw up our hands and say "Pobody's Nerfect" and everything is cool.
How do you feel companies not pulling from the show, isn't that giving acceptance? Should companies like MS, Nintendo and Sony have pulled away because they knew Ninja was nominated and present at the show (easy to guess he was winning too). They were fine sharing the stage. And they are part of the shows advisory board. I bet Keighley would have rather chosen Sony to participate than Ninja, if they just demanded it. Or even adviced against his invitation. It's bit weird to me how hard people are going after Keighley specifically and ignoring everything else that is just as relevant, makes it seem like it would be something personal.
That's all? Why are you so hard on Keighley but seemingly give them a pass. Keighley has power and pull in the industry, but console platform holders are juggernauts (as are the other publishers) and part of the show and creating it. It's a collaboration. They aren't as dependant on Keighley as Keighley is on them.
What business is it of yours?
I didn't give them a pass, I said they should have spoken up and also I would have supported them pulling out. I can't fight every battle on every front. Also, from the TGA site:
Keighley doesn't choose the nominees either. So nothing changed, why are you giving them a pass? Why do you reduce the show to Keighley and ignore the rest.
Your marriage isn't in a very good place if just appearing in a stream with a woman (not even in the same physical space, I assume?) and some dumb memes/rumormongering from idiot fans with no actual proof or knowledge of any infidelity other than the appearance on said stream can shake it up so much that you stop interacting with women altogether.
Keighley is a corporate shill. He pays lip service to inclusivity but when push comes to shove, he does nothing.
Keighley doesn't choose the nominees either. So nothing changed, why are you giving them a pass?
How about Sony, Nintendo, MS and EA etc? They are part of the show in official capacity and have the power to block someone like Ninja.
Like I said, I did not give them a pass, and I cannot fight every battle on every front, please read my comments. What do you want, a list of people involved that I disavow? Is this some sort of "no ethical consumption under capitalism" thing, can't shop for groceries because the store carries Nestle products? It's Keighley's show. It's his call to make who he has on it. I've chosen to focus my efforts in that direction, and I'm sorry if that is not good enough for you.
I've been married for over 10 years and have never been asked to discriminate, nor would I in order to "keep the peace". Life isn't some sitcom husband/wife trope.
It's not another battle, it's this same battle. It's on the same front. And you are picking a fight with one man for some reason, rather than the whole platoon. I find it really weird. He has media to choose the nominees and public and media to choose the winner. It's not his role to pick winners. Though he was the one who had him as a presenter and the advisory board agreed to this. They're in the same boat.
Isn't the whole deal of TGA that it's the result of hard work of Keighley? The previous such award thing was canceled and he decided to start his own awards show. This is his child.
Yeah Keighley is the "face" of the show and it's his initiative. But it's also a collaboration with publishers (and media), they communicate with each other before and after the show. They show up on stage, they advertise on the show and provide entertainment for the show. They endorse the show. "The Game Awards advisory helps guide and advance the mission of The Game Awards." They have the clout to guide Ninja out of the building. They aren't at the mercy of Keighley, he doesn't run the industry or the media.
Word!
It's a terrible point.
How else do you think every single other streamer who streams with women handles this made up situation? Oh right, by not giving into toxic trolls and alt right scum bags and just doing the right thing. HE also never said it was about protecting them from harassment, thats what we call gaslighting. He said he didn't want to deal with the rumors of possible flirting.
Sexism doesn't occur in a vacuum.
What are you talking about? If an organization publicly invites any high profile figure to their event, it's always understood that that person will represent the values of the organization.
This is nonsensical.
Did John Bailey personally welcome them with open arms on a public platform like Twitter? No.
lol It's not just some shit he said. His actions support his statement.
