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The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street (Mafia) |OT| Suspicion can destroy
- Thread starter Dr. Monkey
- Start date
Lol I love you Cap
Fantomas : I wasn't really concerned about Zeke fishing for anything in particular then. If anything I was being careless :p what I meant with that post was, if that was an actual claim then he'd already done much of the "fishing" work himself.
weemadarthur : I see you already retracted it but I'm kinda taken aback to you making a read based on a joke I made almost 2 full days before the game began.
Fantomas : I wasn't really concerned about Zeke fishing for anything in particular then. If anything I was being careless :p what I meant with that post was, if that was an actual claim then he'd already done much of the "fishing" work himself.
weemadarthur : I see you already retracted it but I'm kinda taken aback to you making a read based on a joke I made almost 2 full days before the game began.
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I was kinda wondering how deep into the theme of the story we'd get, lol. Maybe we are just 15 townspeople fated to kill each other, lol.
That being said, yeah, probably should play our parts and figure out who's first.
The more I think about Ezekiel's game, I think it's just something to get discussion going, which it seemed to have done. Could he be in a chat? Maybe, but at this point it doesn't really matter.
That being said, yeah, probably should play our parts and figure out who's first.
The more I think about Ezekiel's game, I think it's just something to get discussion going, which it seemed to have done. Could he be in a chat? Maybe, but at this point it doesn't really matter.
No, sensei. Bad sensei.
:o
Uh oh. Why would you do this? *side eyes.
If i had to guess i'd say he was fishing for reactions like the one he got from Fire :/
Meh, let's remove the what ifs.
I am a neighbor.
I can currently post in another chat.
I don't know the other person's alignment. Only their flavor name.
I am a neighbor.
I can currently post in another chat.
I don't know the other person's alignment. Only their flavor name.
Oh. Why did you decide to tell us?
And how hard is it to manage 3 chats?
Also lol at this.
Conspiracy Rage: wouldn't be surprised if other person is mafia.
3 chats?
Do you have any strong reason to believe this so far?
Here, scum and neighbour.
I've never seen it but i'm pretty new to the game. Neighbour is an actual role though. I'm guessing it's that or something like it.
At first I thought Zeke was reffering to the position he and fanto were in during Brexit 2 and was just trying to get us involved in a thought experiment, so honestly anyone who went straight into believing the claim gives me some wierd vibes.
My response to Zeke's experiment by the way was not engaging in it, gambits are fun and all, but I'm not really interested in joining in most of the time
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Continuing the trend of non-engagement, I'm not planning to dig into whether Zeke's actual claim is legitimate because that only gives power-role info to scum.
With the theme of paranoia it makes sense for a hypothetical neighbour role to be town-town and for that reason I'd personally make it town-neutral or if I wanted to nerf scum a bit scum-neutral.
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Fireblend's response to the Zeke fiasco was bad so they're not getting any town points there (and scum can never be too brazen).
Kopite's posts have also been giving some bad vibes, when I was SK last game I tended to concentrate on things which I could answer genuinely and that seems to be what Kopite is sticking too, also from what I remember of their play style as their (ex?) lover I'm kind of surprised they haven't engaged with the Zeke fiasco more, it seems right up their alley.
My response to Zeke's experiment by the way was not engaging in it, gambits are fun and all, but I'm not really interested in joining in most of the time
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Continuing the trend of non-engagement, I'm not planning to dig into whether Zeke's actual claim is legitimate because that only gives power-role info to scum.
With the theme of paranoia it makes sense for a hypothetical neighbour role to be town-town and for that reason I'd personally make it town-neutral or if I wanted to nerf scum a bit scum-neutral.
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Fireblend's response to the Zeke fiasco was bad so they're not getting any town points there (and scum can never be too brazen).
Kopite's posts have also been giving some bad vibes, when I was SK last game I tended to concentrate on things which I could answer genuinely and that seems to be what Kopite is sticking too, also from what I remember of their play style as their (ex?) lover I'm kind of surprised they haven't engaged with the Zeke fiasco more, it seems right up their alley.
Good morning!
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Ok, so otherwise it looks like Zeke has removed any ambiguity and is straight up telling us that he's a Neighbor now.
I'll get my morning coffee in me and then I'll be ready to play some more.
So if I understand this correctly, you were saying that there was no need for fishing to be done if Zeke was actually claiming? I would argue that asking whether his hypothetical partner had posted yet or not was definitely a form of info fishing.
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Ok, so otherwise it looks like Zeke has removed any ambiguity and is straight up telling us that he's a Neighbor now.
I'll get my morning coffee in me and then I'll be ready to play some more.
It was, that's why I'm saying if anything, I expected people to say I was careless, not concerned. As I said I was trying to put him in the spot. I stopped insisting too, because...
The way I see it, even with your added paranoia, claiming neighbor puts the other player on the spot and forces them to either consider exposing themselves too or keeping quiet and risk feeding the paranoia. Mason claims are usually confirmed ASAP by the other half and even in this neighbor scenario I'd have expected a joint claim. That's why I said by claiming you already moved the "expose your partner" needle and I find it silly that you'd point fingers at me for fishing.
The fingerpointing from others I understand though, and I'll concede that point.
Well sorry febe!
I'll believe zeke when the thread gets confirmation from the other neighbour, which doesn't need to be today, because it won't help with alignment beliefs based on his claim.
Could in theory be supported by a scum partner.
Hey saenima just what do you want to bbq?
I'll believe zeke when the thread gets confirmation from the other neighbour, which doesn't need to be today, because it won't help with alignment beliefs based on his claim.
Could in theory be supported by a scum partner.
Hey saenima just what do you want to bbq?
Why would I need to fish? I know the person's name.
I have no reason to fish.
You otoh believed the claim and wanted to know if they posted or not yet.
Kopite's posts have been very surface level so far, not engaging with other players very much. I took note of that as well. He was quick to jump on the "No Lynch" vote from CaptainNuevo, but that is a very easy thing to jump on.
Okay, at the office now. Giving the thread a better read-through.
If the second claim was done on the same day, then, yeah.
But a day later? That would just let scum coordinate during night chat.
If the second claim was done on the same day, then, yeah.
But a day later? That would just let scum coordinate during night chat.
I'm saying by claiming unilaterally you exposed them. Fishing is something that is done to expose people.
There's clearly no getting through to you though. I'll leave the subject anyway since it doesn't get us any closer to lunching scum, my question was relevant when you'd phrased it as a hypothetical and I wanted to determine if you were faking or not.
I didn't expose them. You don't know what I said in the chat.
For all you know I posted in chat to let the other person know to not claim, we worked this out together or I made it up.
If you are so concerned with fishing, why were you trying to see if I was faking or not?
On rereading, I see zeke DID turn out to be scum in simon says? Because if he wasn't town there then my slightly improved view of him must be canceled, as I found his play in the half of that game that I read to be illogical, which I had only otherwise seen from his as town.
Devious, I want your opinion. Do you believe Zeke is scum?
Captain, are you obsessed with the moon, or was rod sirling obsessed with the moon?
Devious, I want your opinion. Do you believe Zeke is scum?
Captain, are you obsessed with the moon, or was rod sirling obsessed with the moon?
Okay, now I see the role claim.
So why use the Neighbor role if not to have a town/scum pair chat with each other? From the sounds of it, it appears that this particular role hasn't been used too frequently here or even at all.
So if that's the case - and it could not be; just the gamerunners/aliens messing with us - then it's either Zeke or the other guy that's scum.
Maybe Zeke - if he is scum - wanted to get ahead and claim first because that will make him look more town-ish?
And if Zeke is town and the person on the other end is scum, wouldn't scum try to find a way to influence Zeke's vote to hurt town?
So why use the Neighbor role if not to have a town/scum pair chat with each other? From the sounds of it, it appears that this particular role hasn't been used too frequently here or even at all.
So if that's the case - and it could not be; just the gamerunners/aliens messing with us - then it's either Zeke or the other guy that's scum.
Maybe Zeke - if he is scum - wanted to get ahead and claim first because that will make him look more town-ish?
And if Zeke is town and the person on the other end is scum, wouldn't scum try to find a way to influence Zeke's vote to hurt town?
It was brexit where you didn't like my town play. Iirc
I was scum in Simon says.
I'll give your not-scum claim a 75%* likelihood of being accurate. However, I am the person currently voting you, and I am not just wondering your alignment [which I must also note, your statement did not preclude being neutral], but whether you will be useful to the game/team. What makes you NOT a good backup candidate for defenestration in lieu of actual targets resulting from scumhunting?
Do you wish to defenestrate your chat partner?
Interesting statement.
However, taken to its conclusion, this would actually make the paranoia validated, because the other partner would indeed be "a bad guy". So how does it make sense in the end to design if the aim of the design is triggering paranoia without it working to advantage of town?
You know their flavor name, you mean, right? That's what you said in your claim.
That other person could claim to be any one of us. And if they could fake their style, you might even believe it.
What kind of question is that? We're playing mafia where a verified claim is much stronger than one that is not.
Incorrect.
I never read any brexit.
I found your scum play in gods rather impressive.
Zeke, does this chat occur under costume? Are you currently unclear on which real player is in the chat with you?
I'm not sure it was Simon though.
I know the real player. Their flavor and real name are in my role pm.
Devious, I want your opinion. Do you believe Zeke is scum?
Well, the role definitely fits with the flavor of the game, so I can understand why Monkey would want to use it just for that.
As for the rest of your post, yeah that's all some decent speculation, but it doesn't really amount to anything. The point of the role is that any alignment pairing is possible, unlike Masons who know they are both Town. This means that as far as we all know, Town/Town is just as likely as Town/Not-Town, it doesn't mean that it has to be a cross alignment pairing.
What do you mean by this? Scum can coordinate at all times. There's no reason for scum to hold off on chatting during day phases.
Probably. It happens often. Granted it took me a couple of games to figure out that day 1 shenanigans usually end up at a dead end. Also, I get how finding the neighbor would confirm his role, but then what? He and his neighbor would effectively be investigating each other one on one and we're barely 1 IRL day in so there can't be a ton to gain information-wise. I don't really think that's useful to us to know both right now. Maybe after we have more from everyone else. Does that make sense or am I rambling?