No. You have your business and they have theirs.Wait can we vote to evict spectators? Please answer gamerunners.
What fishing did I do?Lol I love you Cap
Fantomas : I wasn't really concerned about Zeke fishing for anything in particular then. If anything I was being careless :p what I meant with that post was, if that was an actual claim then he'd already done much of the "fishing" work himself.
weemadarthur : I see you already retracted it but I'm kinda taken aback to you making a read based on a joke I made almost 2 full days before the game began.
Let's play a game.
What if I and another player have a chat at night.
What if I only know my alignment and not the other person's?
What if we have no ties. One of us dies, nothing happens to the other.
What would be your thoughts on that situation?
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Call back to animal cross mafia, use evict instead of lynch?
I have no idea what compelled Zeke to propose this to us all so early in the game.
Meh, let's remove the what ifs.
I am a neighbor.
I can currently post in another chat.
I don't know the other person's alignment. Only their flavor name.
Conspiracy Rage: wouldn't be surprised if other person is mafia.Oh. Why did you decide to tell us?
And how hard is it to manage 3 chats?
Also lol at this.
Conspiracy Rage: wouldn't be surprised if other person is mafia.
Has this role existed in previous games?Do you have any strong reason to believe this so far?
Here, scum and neighbour.
Discussion
Chat is currently openEzekelRAGE do you have a chat partner today already or only from tomorrow on?
So if I understand this correctly, you were saying that there was no need for fishing to be done if Zeke was actually claiming? I would argue that asking whether his hypothetical partner had posted yet or not was definitely a form of info fishing.@Fantomas : I wasn't really concerned about Zeke fishing for anything in particular then. If anything I was being careless :p what I meant with that post was, if that was an actual claim then he'd already done much of the "fishing" work himself.
It was, that's why I'm saying if anything, I expected people to say I was careless, not concerned. As I said I was trying to put him in the spot. I stopped insisting too, because...So if I understand this correctly, you were saying that there was no need for fishing to be done if Zeke was actually claiming? I would argue that asking whether his hypothetical partner had posted yet or not was definitely a form of info fishing.
The way I see it, even with your added paranoia, claiming neighbor puts the other player on the spot and forces them to either consider exposing themselves too or keeping quiet and risk feeding the paranoia. Mason claims are usually confirmed ASAP by the other half and even in this neighbor scenario I'd have expected a joint claim. That's why I said by claiming you already moved the "expose your partner" needle and I find it silly that you'd point fingers at me for fishing.
Why would I need to fish? I know the person's name.It was, that's why I'm saying if anything, I expected people to say I was careless, not concerned. As I said I was trying to put him in the spot. I stopped insisting too, because...
The way I see it, even with your added paranoia, claiming neighbor puts the other player on the spot and forces them to either consider exposing themselves too or keeping quiet and risk feeding the paranoia. Mason claims are usually confirmed ASAP by the other half and even in this neighbor scenario I'd have expected a joint claim. That's why I said by claiming you already moved the "expose your partner" needle and I find it silly that you'd point fingers at me for fishing.
The fingerpointing from others I understand though, and I'll concede that point.
Kopite's posts have been very surface level so far, not engaging with other players very much. I took note of that as well. He was quick to jump on the "No Lynch" vote from CaptainNuevo, but that is a very easy thing to jump on.Kopite's posts have also been giving some bad vibes, when I was SK last game I tended to concentrate on things which I could answer genuinely and that seems to be what Kopite is sticking too, also from what I remember of their play style as their (ex?) lover I'm kind of surprised they haven't engaged with the Zeke fiasco more, it seems right up their alley.
My thoughts are that it sounds like masons to me.
And such a thing would be easily provable, or at least supported by the other person.
I'm saying by claiming unilaterally you exposed them. Fishing is something that is done to expose people.Why would I need to fish? I know the person's name.
I have no reason to fish.
You otoh believed the claim and wanted to know if they posted or not yet.
I didn't expose them. You don't know what I said in the chat.I'm saying by claiming unilaterally you exposed them. Fishing is something that is done to expose people.
There's clearly no getting through to you though. I'll leave the subject anyway since it doesn't get us any closer to lunching scum, my question was relevant when you'd phrased it as a hypothetical and I wanted to determine if you were faking or not.
I was never concerned with fishing?I didn't expose them. You don't know what I said in the chat.
For all you know I posted in chat to let the other person know to not claim, we worked this out together or I made it up.
If you are so concerned with fishing, why were you trying to see if I was faking or not?
Why did you want to know if I was telling the truth or not?
It was brexit where you didn't like my town play. IircOn rereading, I see zeke DID turn out to be scum in simon says? Because if he wasn't town there then my slightly improved view of him must be canceled, as I found his play in the half of that game that I read to be illogical, which I had only otherwise seen from his as town.
Devious, I want your opinion. Do you believe Zeke is scum?
Captain, are you obsessed with the moon, or was rod sirling obsessed with the moon?
I'll give your not-scum claim a 75%* likelihood of being accurate. However, I am the person currently voting you, and I am not just wondering your alignment [which I must also note, your statement did not preclude being neutral], but whether you will be useful to the game/team. What makes you NOT a good backup candidate for defenestration in lieu of actual targets resulting from scumhunting?
Do you wish to defenestrate your chat partner?Conspiracy Rage: wouldn't be surprised if other person is mafia.
Interesting statement.With the theme of paranoia it makes sense for a hypothetical neighbour role to be town-town and for that reason I'd personally make it town-neutral or if I wanted to nerf scum a bit scum-neutral.
You know their flavor name, you mean, right? That's what you said in your claim.Why would I need to fish? I know the person's name.
I have no reason to fish.
You otoh believed the claim and wanted to know if they posted or not yet.
What kind of question is that? We're playing mafia where a verified claim is much stronger than one that is not.
Incorrect.It was brexit where you didn't like my town play. Iirc
I was scum in Simon says.
Flavor and their actual forum nameYou know their flavor name, you mean, right? That's what you said in your claim.
That other person could claim to be any one of us. And if they could fake their style, you might even believe it.
No, was chosen b4 game started by monkey
I'm not sure it was Simon though.Incorrect.
I never read any brexit.
I found your scum play in gods rather impressive.
I know the real player. Their flavor and real name are in my role pm.Zeke, does this chat occur under costume? Are you currently unclear on which real player is in the chat with you?
Devious, I want your opinion. Do you believe Zeke is scum?Okay, now I see the role claim.
So why use the Neighbor role if not to have a town/scum pair chat with each other? From the sounds of it, it appears that this particular role hasn't been used too frequently here or even at all.
So if that's the case - and it could not be; just the gamerunners/aliens messing with us - then it's either Zeke or the other guy that's scum.
Maybe Zeke - if he is scum - wanted to get ahead and claim first because that will make him look more town-ish?
And if Zeke is town and the person on the other end is scum, wouldn't scum try to find a way to influence Zeke's vote to hurt town?
Well, the role definitely fits with the flavor of the game, so I can understand why Monkey would want to use it just for that.So why use the Neighbor role if not to have a town/scum pair chat with each other?
Did you spec brexit 2?At first I thought Zeke was reffering to the position he and fanto were in during Brexit 2 and was just trying to get us involved in a thought experiment, so honestly anyone who went straight into believing the claim gives me some wierd vibes.
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What do you mean by this? Scum can coordinate at all times. There's no reason for scum to hold off on chatting during day phases.If the second claim was done on the same day, then, yeah.
But a day later? That would just let scum coordinate during night chat.
Probably. It happens often. Granted it took me a couple of games to figure out that day 1 shenanigans usually end up at a dead end. Also, I get how finding the neighbor would confirm his role, but then what? He and his neighbor would effectively be investigating each other one on one and we're barely 1 IRL day in so there can't be a ton to gain information-wise. I don't really think that's useful to us to know both right now. Maybe after we have more from everyone else. Does that make sense or am I rambling?The more I think about Ezekiel's game, I think it's just something to get discussion going, which it seemed to have done. Could he be in a chat? Maybe, but at this point it doesn't really matter