There's some dumb moments in this movie but that isn't one. Arms purchasing, manufacturing, and acquisitions from third parties is a thing.
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So uh, Last Jedi has a lower RT audience score than Phantom Menace (unmarked spoilers)
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What? If they succeded they wouldnt have helped the resistance? Are we watching the same movie? They wouldve kept the cruiser and not sacrificed anybody, regardless of wether the higher ups have a plan or not.
I'm gonna assume this incoherent and senseless post is sarcasm to help maintain my own sanity.
You shouldn't apologize for your opinion, it's your opinion that the prequels are better than this.
I guess...
If Poe's mutiny and the code breaker who Finn and Rose happened to find in jail had all worked perfectly they could have light speeded away without being tracked but with no fuel instead of landing on the heavily shielded planet completely undetected which had a strong enough signal to send out a distress call. I think the transport plan is still better but call it a wash.
Of course the first thing they should've done is just turn one ship around and lightspeeded through the entire First Order fleet.
No one lightspeeds without a destination in mind, its dangerous to do so because you crash into stuff and get obliterated. He probably did have a destination he wanted to go to, just didnt say it because it wasnt important to the overall movie.
Rey should have killed Kylo and the big showdown should have been Luke vs. Rey, with Rey winning.
Would have made for the sad/shocking ending the movie needed to compete with Empire Strikes Back and left a huge cliffhanger ending.
Now, it's all predictable. The last movie will just be Rey v. Kylo. Kylo will pull a Vader and redeem himself at the very end to save everyone as he dies. Rey will be the big hero and everything will be boring.
I'm not looking forward to the last movie like I was this movie.
I feel disappointed. This production has not taken any chances.
Would have made for the sad/shocking ending the movie needed to compete with Empire Strikes Back and left a huge cliffhanger ending.
Now, it's all predictable. The last movie will just be Rey v. Kylo. Kylo will pull a Vader and redeem himself at the very end to save everyone as he dies. Rey will be the big hero and everything will be boring.
I'm not looking forward to the last movie like I was this movie.
I feel disappointed. This production has not taken any chances.
'Rachel is an experiment, nothing more.'
A beautifully ambiguous phrase in BR that means there's no retcon in 2049.
The Replicant uprising is the weakest thing about 2049 as it feels so ordinary & out-of-place when placed against the portrayal of the rest of the themes in the film.
Roll on 1130 today when I can finally join these conversations...although I suspect I'm on #teamgreat given the discussed themes of deconstruction and it making fanboys unhappy.
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I can understand why. Canto Bight.
I adored the film, but it was definitely too long, and Finn's entire arc was not only completely separate from the rest of the characters, to the point that only Poe really knew what he and Rose were off doing (and damn, I don't think anyone even noticed they were gone? Even when they were evacuating from the ship, did anyone ask where Finn was?), but his entire purpose for going to Canto Bight, this huge side arc that the audience had to try and engage in at the same time as the two core plots of the film, was ultimately completely unnecessary. Their goal of cutting out the hyperspace tracker... thing, wasn't needed. The rebel leaders had a different plan in action, and could have told him "don't risk your life with that, we're going to stealth evacuate and trick them into blowing up our empty main ship and thinking we're dead."
BUT IT GETS WORSE
If Finn's actions had only been unnecessary, that might have been bearable. Instead, because they brought along the wrong hacker, who overheard Finn's comms, the hacker sold the information of the Rebel's stealth escape plan, which directly lead to not only the deaths of the majority of the Rebel resistance, but also to the death of Luke Skywalker, arguably the series' core hero. I mean... holy fucking shit, writers. Finn would literally have been more useful if he'd remained in a coma for the entire film. Luke would still be alive, as would the majority of the Rebel army. I don't even...
And get this. The one article I can find defending this plot arc says the only reason it should be praised is because it allows a black and an Asian character to be heroes for a bit: "Seeing a young Asian woman and a black man on a mission to save the galaxy is very much a part of what Star Wars can offer a new generation of filmgoers. To complain that it dragged in places compared to the angsty drama of white characters Luke, Rey, and Kylo is to miss some of the aspirational purpose of Star Wars." Rather than arguing that maybe the heroes with good writing and valuable plots should include characters of colour, we should be happy that an entirely separate plot that is less than inconsequential allows characters of colour to have their big screen moment for a bit? I can't even...
So much of the film had some of the highest highs in the entire series to me. But the writing for Finn and Rose here is so bad it's literally the worst thing that has ever happened in the series imo. Genuinely feels like the writing team said "we need to do something with our black character." And then cobbled together a plot with so little thought put into it that they didn't even consider it would have been better for the overarching story if that plot hadn't happened at all.
I adored the film, but it was definitely too long, and Finn's entire arc was not only completely separate from the rest of the characters, to the point that only Poe really knew what he and Rose were off doing (and damn, I don't think anyone even noticed they were gone? Even when they were evacuating from the ship, did anyone ask where Finn was?), but his entire purpose for going to Canto Bight, this huge side arc that the audience had to try and engage in at the same time as the two core plots of the film, was ultimately completely unnecessary. Their goal of cutting out the hyperspace tracker... thing, wasn't needed. The rebel leaders had a different plan in action, and could have told him "don't risk your life with that, we're going to stealth evacuate and trick them into blowing up our empty main ship and thinking we're dead."
BUT IT GETS WORSE
If Finn's actions had only been unnecessary, that might have been bearable. Instead, because they brought along the wrong hacker, who overheard Finn's comms, the hacker sold the information of the Rebel's stealth escape plan, which directly lead to not only the deaths of the majority of the Rebel resistance, but also to the death of Luke Skywalker, arguably the series' core hero. I mean... holy fucking shit, writers. Finn would literally have been more useful if he'd remained in a coma for the entire film. Luke would still be alive, as would the majority of the Rebel army. I don't even...
And get this. The one article I can find defending this plot arc says the only reason it should be praised is because it allows a black and an Asian character to be heroes for a bit: "Seeing a young Asian woman and a black man on a mission to save the galaxy is very much a part of what Star Wars can offer a new generation of filmgoers. To complain that it dragged in places compared to the angsty drama of white characters Luke, Rey, and Kylo is to miss some of the aspirational purpose of Star Wars." Rather than arguing that maybe the heroes with good writing and valuable plots should include characters of colour, we should be happy that an entirely separate plot that is less than inconsequential allows characters of colour to have their big screen moment for a bit? I can't even...
So much of the film had some of the highest highs in the entire series to me. But the writing for Finn and Rose here is so bad it's literally the worst thing that has ever happened in the series imo. Genuinely feels like the writing team said "we need to do something with our black character." And then cobbled together a plot with so little thought put into it that they didn't even consider it would have been better for the overarching story if that plot hadn't happened at all.
Really? Kylo is explicitly irredeemable. You can't walk back from killing your father in cold blood, killing your master and his body guards and taking over the interplanetary empire he held. If there's one thing this movie should've taught you is that anything can happen.
Anakin did it after killing a bunch of first graders man.
And everyone who dislike this movie are definitely bad and horrible bigots from 4Chan...sure...
I knew that this place is just step-away from imageboard crap fanboish discussions, but level of arrogance, lack of any self-awareness (nerds using "nerd" as in insult?) and pretentiousness of some posters here ("everyone who disagree with my opinion are bigots and sexists") make me certainly feel like people here need a good dose of anti-hypocrisy medicine. And probably some stick to knock them down from their incredibly fragile high horses.
Kids are annoying, Han Solo is the best Star Wars character.
This is a joke.
No he didn't. No one writing Vader's redemption in ROTJ thought that 20 years later, some other story would say that Vader was a child killer that fell to the dark side over love.
This isn't the worst Star Wars movie at all. I'd say it's not the best either. As a movie unto itself I'd argue that it's just alright with me liking Rey and disliking everything else in the film. I don't know if that's all that unreasonable.
But he did? Even without the prequels he was redeemed after helping run a brutal regime for decades.
The Empire obtained their ships through private enterprise too. At least as detailed in the old EU.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sienar_Fleet_Systems/Legends
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kuat_Drive_Yards/Legends
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corellian_Engineering_Corporation/Legends
Kylo has an out for everything though. Luke tried to murder him in his sleep. Snokes used and manipulated him into killing Solo.
Kylo is the weakest bad guy in the whole series. He's a survivor, but he's not a Supreme Emporer. He is a Darth Vader wannabe.
I don't feel evil from Kylo. He just seems like a stupid teenager with no real plans or motivation. With Luke and Snokes gone, what is his purpose? Ruling the Galaxy? Why? It seems boring to him.
Is he just going to chase Leia the rest of his life? Why? Just to say he killed his own parents? To try to build a resume?
He had a chance for redemption. He threw it away to double down on being a supreme leader and an even more bad guy. Walking back from that would be a cop out.
The first order is not the empire.
Eh, Vader turned back before killing Palpatine. Kylo's chance was before Snoke died. After that, he's now the big bad. Unless episode ix is Rey going on a journey to learn about Snoke and figure out how he turned Kylo, I think turning back is impossible.
Man I would have loved a dark side Rey turn at the end of the film. I felt like trailers were trying to tease her being abandoned by Luke who essentially refused to help her, and that in the face of mounting pressure she takes some of the wrong lessons from kylo etc and would go straight up 'feral' in terms of the force and just using and doing whatever she needed to get it done so to speak.
Umm they built star killer base. They can produce tie fighters.
Also What's stopping either of them from purchasing each other's tech??
It makes no sense.
I know this goes on in real life but it's not canon for Star Wars. In real life everyone has the same tech up to what they can afford.
In star wars the empire/first order has specific tech they designed and manufactured.
I love the theories going on in this thread.
"oh its just trolls".
Please. I just got back from it and it really is that bad.
All the humor sucked.
Snoke being killed off was lame.
Rose dying was lame.
Luke's big fake showdown and the basically dying.
Real stinker of a movie.
"oh its just trolls".
Please. I just got back from it and it really is that bad.
All the humor sucked.
Snoke being killed off was lame.
Rose dying was lame.
Luke's big fake showdown and the basically dying.
Real stinker of a movie.
Have you tried reporting the particular posts that concern you?
They're not gods, they're mods. They need to be pointed toward the possible issue.
The humor was fine.
Snoke was always a non-factor
Rose didn't die.
Luke also didn't die and was in character.
Disney might need to remove RJ from his new trilogy just to prevent the fandom from being a trash fire for the next 10 years (and I loved TLJ)
yeah thats an absolutely nuts position to take. its an extremely strange movie but its not cold and heartless like the prequels. if anything this movie is all heart, no body. just an ethereal psuedo film, strong in spirit but lacking form
No, the humor wasn't.
How was he a non factor? What are you talking about?
And unless you know something outside of what the movie puts forward, Luke is gone.
Maybe hell come back in some form and it's some fake death, but still. The one chance the movie had at redeeming itself, it flopped.
That's not true. See my post above. The Empire always used private corporations to build their weapons/tech. Some of these groups might have been nationalized under the Empire if you read into the canon (whatever) but a First Order would definitely require dealmaking with independent arms dealers.
Like someone increasingly aggravated someone else didn't like the content of some action film.
Humor is subjective. It's fine if the jokes didn't work for you, but considering that it worked for me and many others during my showing, then that means the humor was successful, to an extent. Certainly not a complete failure.
Snoke was never anything more than a red herring. If anything, I am happy that they subverted expectations and allowed Kylo Ren to go all in and become the primary antagonist going into the next film. Rey and Snoke's relationship is more interesting than anything generic big bad Snoke would have fulfilled.
Luke literally states that he'll see Kylo Ren soon, which implies that he didn't necessarily die. Not in the traditional sense. He'll be back, someone has to fill the void of the legacy character considering Fisher is deceased.
Opinions.
I'm actually surprised how ineffective the defense force has been. I'm not saying they owe us dissenters a damn thing. But when people who like the movie bring up the main complaints i'm mostly just hearing 'it didn't bug me as much' no one has really said why it worked from a story or filmmaking standpoint. I've been talking about this movie all day and never once felt like my opinion of the movie was being challenged in a way that made me think my feelings on it were wrong. And id love for that to be the case.
Shrug.
No one owes you an academic analysis of why they considered something "just fine" from their perspective, especially considering internet communication and sharing opinions always devolves into shout fests and "proving the other side's opinions wrong."
I've never felt more disconnected from the filmgoing populace.
I might be misreading the dissent on the humour but it seems like those who take exception to it dislike how it's used as a period at the end of a dramatic sentence. Oddly placed and serving little (no?) narrative value. I didn't really care either way but I see why someone would.