GPD Series |OT| A "Switch" To PC Gaming

Jodast · Dec 11, 2017

Redneckerz said:
If anything these details just make things more confusing. The preliminary specs were a perfect fit, now suddenly the device hosts a 15 watt CPU and dual batteries. What?

These are the words direct from GPD regarding the CPU:

"To enhance the cooling effect, WIN 2 is designed with novel PC-class cooling solution and high-power turbofans with the speed dynamically ranging from 2000~10000rpm. With large-volume side-blown thermal outlet design and ultra-short outlet distance, the hot air exhaust performance is 8 times as that of WIN. At the same time, WIN 2 increases the default thermal power consumption of 4.5W to 15W"

Now whether that means the CPU runs at 15W all the time or just in burst mode or straight up marketing lies from GDP - who knows? But apparently Phawx did get the Telcast X5 Pro CPU to run at 15W so I guess its possible if the cooling is good enough. The dual batteries I have no idea. I could only guess that there is some weird issue with layout that makes them need to use two rather than one bigger one.

Redneckerz · Dec 11, 2017

Jodast said:
These are the words direct from GPD regarding the CPU:

Now whether that means the CPU runs at 15W all the time or just in burst mode or straight up marketing lies from GDP - who knows? But apparently Phawx did get the Telcast X5 Pro CPU to run at 15W so I guess its possible if the cooling is good enough. The dual batteries I have no idea. I could only guess that there is some weird issue with layout that makes them need to use two rather than one bigger one.

It does sound like marketing talk, especially when the SoC is rated for 4.5 watts with 7 watts under load (Thats 100% load). So somehow doubling that by installing a high speed fan to cool it makes little to no sense to me.
Also, ive mentioned it before - A 2000-10.000 RPM fan? The noise that will come from this thing would sound like a lawnmower.

Everything about these new details so far speak of rather unlogical additions if they actually did these. Like i mentioned before, if at 15W, you could just use an AMD embedded APU at that point and be done with it, and the reason Smach Z was criticized so much on it is because that is way too wasteful on energy. Smach Z also was a larger device to go with too, so GPD would have to increase the size to keep 15 watts consistent in output.

Which is far beyond the stable limits of the chosen CPU however, so honestly, this just creates doubt.

vcoleiro1 · Dec 11, 2017

Redneckerz

Well it could be I'm interpreting that passage of text incorrectly, that said, although the IntelArk page says max TDP 7W, Phaw did show in his video it can do up to 15W . So , there's that

In regards to the battery, it's pretty common these days for there to be two batteries connected in tablets. A number of tablets have this

MJPIA · Dec 11, 2017

sexy

N00MKRAD · Dec 12, 2017

MJPIA said:
sexy

Ew, looks like 2007 design.

Mgs2master2 · Dec 12, 2017

I am glad this thread exists, i beenn on the fence for a long time about purchasing a GPD Win or the minilaptop version. Looks like I wil just wait until this new version will come out. I will watch this thread, hopefully be up to date when the funding starts so i can get that earlier backer discount

2+2=5 · Dec 12, 2017

Eh i don't like that cover.

Redneckerz · Dec 12, 2017

vcoleiro1 said:
Redneckerz

Well it could be I'm interpreting that passage of text incorrectly, that said, although the IntelArk page says max TDP 7W, Phaw did show in his video it can do up to 15W . So , there's that

In regards to the battery, it's pretty common these days for there to be two batteries connected in tablets. A number of tablets have this

It cant sustain that 15 watt, i find that just nonsense.
I pointed to a Phablet with a single 10.000mAh battery. Tablets are usually ARM based, so that could play a part in energy management.

MJPIA said:
sexy

Reminds me of the Danger Hiptop:

Looks ugly though. Just keep it one tone.

N00MKRAD · Dec 12, 2017

Redneckerz said:
It cant sustain that 15 watt, i find that just nonsense.
I pointed to a Phablet with a single 10.000mAh battery. Tablets are usually ARM based, so that could play a part in energy management.

Reminds me of the Danger Hiptop:

Looks ugly though. Just keep it one tone.

Exactly.

The Win looks good right now, but I have doubts about the Win 2.

nampad · Dec 12, 2017

Also dislike the cover.

2+2=5 · Dec 12, 2017

I hope someone convinces them to change that cover.

MJPIA · Dec 12, 2017

Remember that plastic piece on the lid is clip on so people can customize their devices with different colors.
Assuming I'm reading everything right you can just take them off if you don't want them.

tuxfool · Dec 12, 2017

MJPIA said:
Remember that plastic piece on the lid is clip on so people can customize their devices with different colors.
Assuming I'm reading everything right you can just take them off if you don't want them.

How about they just not bother with plastic tat and just make a stronger (and maybe nicer looking) casing?

MJPIA · Dec 12, 2017

tuxfool said:
How about they just not bother with plastic tat and just make a stronger (and maybe nicer looking) casing?

The lid is made for the same material the Pocket is made out of with the plastic trim piece clipped on it.
How much stronger do you want?

JGCD · Dec 12, 2017

Is the whole unit made like the pocket? cause the pocket material is amazing

tuxfool · Dec 12, 2017

MJPIA said:
The lid is made for the same material the Pocket is made out of with the plastic trim piece clipped on it.
How much stronger do you want?

That's fine, but clip on rubbish is just more bulk for no reason. In which case they could just make it thinner.

MJPIA · Dec 13, 2017

Forget all the past estimates on the Win2's shipping date.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5474907714?pid=116127302724&cid=#116127302724

Overseas crowdfunding in January, shipped in April

Win2 will be shipping out in April.

Phawx has managed to convince GPD to send him a prototype which is on the way so the device sounds pretty much done with just some touching up and working out any small issues left.
There has been nothing on price so far which is worrisome.
At this point I am fully expecting the Win2 to be double the Win's IGG campaign price although I'd love to be wrong.

DrROBschiz · Dec 13, 2017

very interested in the price for this thing

MJPIA · Dec 13, 2017

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5477479676?pn=0&
Short clip of the Win2 booting up.
7 seconds from when the power button was pushed to logged in and on the desktop and ready to go.

Wainstop · Dec 13, 2017

499 USD you heard it here first

Phawx · Dec 13, 2017

Redneckerz

Originally Intel's 7Y30 TDP-up was 15watt. Intel changed the spec after cannonlake missed it's release window.

You can see here in the video I made awhile ago that I can hit near 15w for a little bit but just before the SoC hits 90C, the chip clamps down back to 7w and temps normalize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu3MQGYGnwY&t=16m40s

All of these options are present in my bios for the teclast X5 pro. I can boost GPU freq up to 1.1Ghz so it matches 7Y75 as well. (Though the passive heatsink won't allow it.)

Jodast · Dec 14, 2017

EDIT 2:
Newest leaks making it look like the price could be around ~$500 - $600 USD for the IGG campaign.

Previously GPD briefly showed $1000 usd for retail.

Redneckerz · Dec 14, 2017

Phawx said:
Redneckerz

Originally Intel's 7Y30 TDP-up was 15watt. Intel changed the spec after cannonlake missed it's release window.

You can see here in the video I made awhile ago that I can hit near 15w for a little bit but just before the SoC hits 90C, the chip clamps down back to 7w and temps normalize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu3MQGYGnwY&t=16m40s

All of these options are present in my bios for the teclast X5 pro. I can boost GPU freq up to 1.1Ghz so it matches 7Y75 as well. (Though the passive heatsink won't allow it.)

See, this is what i mean. Even if it will hit 15 watt there is no way it can reach that for sustained speeds, 10.000 rpm fan or not. OR you would want to deal with a lot more noise.

I presume the ''7Y30 was 15 watts'' was part of a slide? Do you happen to have that somewhere?

MJPIA · Dec 14, 2017

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5478742251
The Win2 is officially announced.
Amusingly enough GPD likes to do fake inflated MSRP's to make them look like a better value and originally they posted the price will be 6688 Yuan which is just over a thousand USD.
Baidu didn't take that well so they deleted the post and reuploaded and it just says TBD for retail price because funnily enough telling people the Win2 is gonna cost the equivalent of 1000 USD is a good way to turn people off.
The alpha models were not cheap to build though.

have not yet done costing. The cost of some high, the current rough already more than 3,000.

That's just over $450.
Mass production will drop the production cost but its something to keep in mind.

In order to be lightweight, the body with ABS material, 3D rocker is still sinking design. Unique arc metal film keys, more suitable for blind operation. 360 handle style ABXY key, retain double-character silkscreen. Handle / mouse switch to remove the less commonly used D mode, the design more streamlined. Body, keyboard and handle a highly uniform color, complement each other. Elegant appearance, matt UV spray to bring a delicate feel, from color to material, are as fine as art.

Body is plastic so only lid is metal.

WIN into the wind on the side of the design, resulting in easy to block the hands when holding the outlet, has been widely criticized. WIN 2 air inlet design in the D side, the heat will be discharged from the back of the fan, effectively shorten the heat away from the body heat instantly distributed. In the limit test, the temperature of the machine can always be controlled at about 39 degrees.

6-inch Sharp dazzling screen, viewing area is 109% of the previous generation. In-Cell fully bonded technology, reducing the glass, making the screen thinner. The fourth generation of Corning gorilla glass exterior screen, 1-meter drop test drop rate as high as 80%, 45% improvement in anti-performance compared to the third generation. Boundless protection, surrounded by no longer prominent border, use more focused. Narrow black screen, the upper border 5mm, the lower border is only 3mm, a higher proportion of the screen. Resolution of 1280 × 720, resolution is 2.53 times the 24-inch desktop monitor, horizontal viewing angle up to 178 °. At the same time, WIN 2 still supports touch screen.

m3-7y30 only supports LPDDR3, but the working frequency is raised to 1866MHz and the capacity is increased to 8GB. Compared to the previous generation Z8750, memory frequency increased 1.17 times, memory capacity increased by 2 times, dual-channel design, bandwidth up to 256bit, the effective waiting time reduced by 50%, make the game run more smoothly.

At the player's request, WIN 2 retains the Micro SD card slot. m3-7y30 support UHS 104 ultra-high-speed SD interface, the bus bandwidth up to 104MB / s, the perfect support for Micro SDXC card.

WIN 2 for gamers to create curved metal film keyboard, support for more than 1 million times the mechanical percussion, the key process is moderate but flexible enough to avoid long-term input to bring fatigue, feel good. WASD and up and down key protruding design, more suitable for blind operation. Center and sink the power button to avoid inadvertent touch. In the upper right corner still retain the watermelon keys, play Xbox games in the stream, in addition to as a handle switch, but also play a "back home", "long press off", "screen shots", "switch" and so on.

The importance of a mouse for a game player is like a human hand. WIN 2 still continues WIN rocker analog mouse design. At the same time, in order to meet the needs of different players, by defining the L2 key, increased the mouse X-axis and Y-axis physical speed threshold. When you do not like the default speed, you can press the L2 key while moving the joystick to move the mouse at 2X speed.

That's interesting, mouse acceleration with L2.

In addition, WIN 2 changed the charging logic. When charging, the power supply directly to the motherboard, rather than through the battery-powered, the maximum power supply is 12V / 2.5A. When the lack of power, the battery will support the power supply, in order to ensure the players a long time game needs.

This is a big improvement here.
Power supply goes into the system then battery rather than battery into the system.
That sound improve the batteries life.
Also the Win2 possibly might be able to run with the battery removed.

Also I love google translate.

8, the new design of the gamepad, Japan ALPS original double 3D rocker, built-in dual vibration motor, vibration level effect of perverted, so that you immersed in the game more, into the slightest vibration feel comfortable with less like strength.

Loooooong Chinese spec sheet

January 15th for the crowdfunding campaign to start.

Redneckerz · Dec 14, 2017

^^ again that 15 watt SoC in the spec. They have either those factory OCed, or the original designs as Intel envisioned them, or thats just BS.
At 720p though, that thing will be awesome for gaming. Switch may be the most powerful handheld, Win 2 is a lot more ''portable'' looking and smaller.

Deleted member 2840 · Dec 14, 2017

MJPIA said:
January 15th for the crowdfunding campaign to start.

Perfect birthday gift. Hope it isn't more than 500 USD. I'll also get taxed out of my ass when it arrives.

2+2=5 · Dec 14, 2017

Awesome!
Imo it deserves a thread, i mean ok this is the ot but this is big enough for an announcement thread.

Pargon · Dec 14, 2017

Redneckerz said:
^^ again that 15 watt SoC in the spec. They have either those factory OCed, or the original designs as Intel envisioned them, or thats just BS.
At 720p though, that thing will be awesome for gaming. Switch may be the most powerful handheld, Win 2 is a lot more ''portable'' looking and smaller.

Intel's spec says it has a 4.5W TDP at 1.0 GHz, and is configurable up to 1.6 GHz at 7W TDP.
The max turbo frequency is 2.6 GHz though, so they might be referring to peak power consumption when they quote 15W.
TDP is not maximum power consumption, it's the average amount of heat the cooling system should have to dissipate.

Redneckerz · Dec 14, 2017

Pargon said:
Intel's spec says it has a 4.5W TDP at 1.0 GHz, and is configurable up to 1.6 GHz at 7W TDP.
The max turbo frequency is 2.6 GHz though, so they might be referring to peak power consumption when they quote 15W.
TDP is not maximum power consumption, it's the average amount of heat the cooling system should have to dissipate.

I have seen multiple users noting this (which is good) but then forego the second obvious part: a 2.000/10.000 rpm fan having to cool that heat. How will that sound? It cant be pleasant.
Even if A is possible for sustained periods of time, you will have to deal with B. Unless its nonsense, then A doesnt exist and it makes B questionable since why need such a fast spinning fan then?

JGCD · Dec 14, 2017

2+2=5 said:
Awesome!
Imo it deserves a thread, i mean ok this is the ot but this is big enough for an announcement thread.

I can probably make a thread for that in a bit

MJPIA · Dec 14, 2017

I thought about making a thread since the Win2 is fully fleshed out but held back since we don't know price yet which will be what everyone wants to know but if someone wants to go for it.

JGCD · Dec 14, 2017

Welp I did make the thread and totally spaced on price XD

MJPIA · Dec 14, 2017

http://www.bilibili.com/video/av17275304/?zw
3 minute video of the Win2 prototype playing Bayonetta.

MJPIA · Dec 14, 2017

Well apparently I've misunderstood some stuff.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5479412638
On the back of the lid the silver portion is metal and nonremovable, the black middle section is the insert that can be removed and swapped for custom plates.

Yes, you can also change the cover black ABS cover, water transfer can be formulated ABS cover

That's the pain of dealing with machine translation.
Not entirely fond of that then, I assumed the silver portion could be removed with the black section being the lid, not the other way around.

filkry · Dec 15, 2017

MJPIA said:
http://www.bilibili.com/video/av17275304/?zw
3 minute video of the Win2 prototype playing Bayonetta.

Thanks for posting this, please keep us informed of any other great examples of this thing in action.

nampad · Dec 15, 2017

MJPIA said:
http://www.bilibili.com/video/av17275304/?zw
3 minute video of the Win2 prototype playing Bayonetta.

Hope DF will do a GPD Win 2 vs. Switch with some multiplatform releases (Doom, Bayonetta 1, etc.).

Polioliolio · Dec 15, 2017

What are we expecting from graphics here? Yeah, I'm curious how it'll play Skyrim and Doom and things like that.
If it chugs, I'm not interested.

2+2=5 · Dec 15, 2017

Polioliolio said:
What are we expecting from graphics here? Yeah, I'm curious how it'll play Skyrim and Doom and things like that.
If it chugs, I'm not interested.

The win 1 is already able to play Skyrim

Doom has very low framerates

The win 2 obviously will improve things drastically.

MJPIA · Dec 16, 2017

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5480856836
3 Minute video of GTA5.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av17309374/

GTA5 has been used by gamers as a benchmark for measuring the hardware performance of a piece of equipment. On the GPD WIN generation, the GTA5 needs to be reduced to a very low resolution and a low material patch, but running on a GPD WIN 2 generation handheld The effect is beyond our imagination, the resolution of the system default 1280 × 720, the effect is set to low, there is no special unlock power operation, the operating system has almost no optimization, more will not hit any patch, all in default Environment running, because the camera pixels and the network upload loss rate of the relationship between the true picture is far more than watching the video even more comfortable, never any game handheld can run smoothly GTA5, and GPD WIN 2, done! Please feel together this unprecedented game storm it!

Minsc · Dec 16, 2017

MJPIA said:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5480856836
3 Minute video of GTA5.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av17309374/

I'm actually pretty interested in the device, but that video doesn't do it many favors imo. Framerate looks like the low 20s, and graphics don't look great either. But I get it, it's a huge improvement from the original, and it's GTA V on a portable (hey if it gets ported to Switch it would be an interesting comparison to have, Switch vs GPD Win 2 GTAV)... but even compared to the Switch videos of Doom it just doesn't hold up for me. I expect other games to impress me further than that at least.

Mivey · Dec 16, 2017

Minsc said:
I'm actually pretty interested in the device, but that video doesn't do it many favors imo. Framerate looks like the low 20s, and graphics don't look great either. But I get it, it's a huge improvement from the original, and it's GTA V on a portable (hey if it gets ported to Switch it would be an interesting comparison to have, Switch vs GPD Win 2 GTAV)... but even compared to the Switch videos of Doom it just doesn't hold up for me. I expect other games to impress me further than that at least.

If I understand the incoherent Google Translated mess of a translation, they are saying it looks smother in real than in the video. Also something about further optimization and a patch, so the final GPD Win 2, with new drivers or what have you, might run it even better. At least, it sounds like that's what they are claiming.

Jimrpg · Dec 16, 2017

GTA V looks smooth enough for me in that low quality video, but the low settings make it more like a PS3 version. I'm used to seeing it with everything turned up in the PC version so the 'low' here is really low.

Still like you say, I get it, GTA V on a portable is pretty amazing and other games will have good enough performance.

tuxfool · Dec 16, 2017

arbok26 said:
GTA V looks smooth enough for me in that low quality video, but the low settings make it more like a PS3 version. I'm used to seeing it with everything turned up in the PC version so the 'low' here is really low.

Still like you say, I get it, GTA V on a portable is pretty amazing and other games will have good enough performance.

Do bear in mind that a lot, but of course not all, higher settings would get lost in a lower resolution screen.

Deleted member 15476 · Dec 17, 2017

Was anyone else hoping that they just ditched the physical keyboard and assume that the user could make it through with the touch or an external keyboard? (more room for components, better button layout, etc)

DigitalOp · Dec 17, 2017

OMG I was just planning to run more manageable games but this thing is running Bayo and gtav smoothly. Absolute powerhouse

Deleted member 15476 · Dec 17, 2017

Has anyone tried to run Danganronpa V3 on the GPD Win by any chance? I can't find any benchmarks online and by looking at the minimal requirements it shouldn't be possible, but I would like to give it a shot since the first 2 looked and played great on the device.

Deleted member 35587 · Dec 17, 2017

Those anyone know when gpd win 2 will ship for non-backers? April?

Also based on how the gpd win ran will the win 2 run PS2/GC emulation games well? specifically :
Killer 7
SSX 3
Katamari Damacy
X-Men Legends 2

2+2=5 · Dec 17, 2017

itsamiracle said:
Was anyone else hoping that they just ditched the physical keyboard and assume that the user could make it through with the touch or an external keyboard? (more room for components, better button layout, etc)

Nah, keyboard is important, i can't see me using it without a keyboard, the win it's just too convenient and comfy to "waste" it by just playing games.

itsamiracle said:
Has anyone tried to run Danganronpa V3 on the GPD Win by any chance? I can't find any benchmarks online and by looking at the minimal requirements it shouldn't be possible, but I would like to give it a shot since the first 2 looked and played great on the device.

There's a demo, IIRC it runs well(30-50 fps most of the time)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/567640/Danganronpa_V3_Killing_Harmony/

PF_TOBYO said:
Those anyone know when gpd win 2 will ship for non-backers? April?

Also based on how the gpd win ran will the win 2 run PS2/GC emulation games well? specifically :
Killer 7
SSX 3
Katamari Damacy
X-Men Legends 2

From the various youtube videos it seem to me that on the GPD Win 1 with the right emulator version and settings gamecube games are in general really playable, while every ps2 game gives a different result, obviously the win 2 will improve everything.

Bonus

it runs really well... maybe too well to be real?

MJPIA · Dec 17, 2017

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzIzOTI2ODcxMg==.html
Nioh on the Win2.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzIzOTE4NDE5Mg==.html
Wii U version of breath of the wild on the Win2.
Which honestly is just almost 4 minutes of the title screen and some load screens.

Someone directly asked the video uploaded about 15w for the cpu and he said this roughly:

We are not locked, but still not tried, after all, win2 has reached the expected performance requirements.

Machine translation, grain of salt and all that but he seems to imply there's a 15w option in the bios.
Whether or not that's true or some fault of machine translation we'll probably know soon.

2+2=5 · Dec 17, 2017

If they want to impress they should show dark souls games, nier automata, doom(and others) because they would probably run well.

GPD Series |OT| A "Switch" To PC Gaming

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