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lol.
(I'm not judging you btw, I haven't seen the episode so I don't know what you saw/reacted to. But it is amusing how this show subverts some people's expectations)
Seeing this crew interact is becoming fun as all hell. Tons of personality all over the place. Well worn concept but truly masterful execution. And that Stella twist? Didn't see that coming lol.
EDIT: And I really liked Burnham's solution to save Tyler.
EDIT: And I really liked Burnham's solution to save Tyler.
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The idea of a time loop NOT from the perspective of the protagonist is a small, but crucial difference from most implementations.
Another fantastic episode. A really solud episode based on an old trope. Well written, fun and funny. Also Mudd is awesome.
Next weeks episode is also pure hype! Things are really heating up story wise and as the show continues with each episode, the entire team seems to be getting better with handling Trek. Love it!
Next weeks episode is also pure hype! Things are really heating up story wise and as the show continues with each episode, the entire team seems to be getting better with handling Trek. Love it!
It's just signaling to geeks and people that keep up with stuff in science internet sites. I'm actually getting annoyed, because that's all it is. At least with the Tardigrade they threw in some facts with the fantasy twist.
I don't know. Hate to be that guy, but something still feels terribly off with the show. Pacing is a big part of it, but I guess that's something from JJ that they'll never get rid of. With things moving so fast, they think we won't question the glaring holes in character motivation, action, and plot.
Kinda sad they didn't make an attempt to make fake future music and dance moves... would have been hilarious if pulled off right
Also space whales!
Quite possible! It was quite angular
Also space whales!
Quite possible! It was quite angular
That was all kinds of awesome! Rainn as Mudd really shined in this episode, with all his bluster, swagger, and ego. A twist on the time-loop plot really really works well here. And we even got to see Michael's awkward but rewarding first kiss. Oh yeah....STELLLAAAA....(fyi Streetcar Named Desire and Marlon Brando.)
Great episode. Mudd was great fun.
Still can't make my mind up on Ash=Voq, little lines in there about not hiding who you are kind of feel like a big neon sign pointing at it lol.
If so, Michael is finally going to love and then have it torn apart.
Still can't make my mind up on Ash=Voq, little lines in there about not hiding who you are kind of feel like a big neon sign pointing at it lol.
If so, Michael is finally going to love and then have it torn apart.
Can't wait for tonight's episode. Waiting for husband to get off work so we can watch it together. The show seems to be getting better and better.
Last episode made it pretty clear that there was something there.
The scene in the cafeteria was full of storytelling shorthand. Hell, there was even a sassy best friend egging her on.
I am going with not Voq, but a humanoid Klingon trying to stay low key.
Really good take on the time loop episode, Discovery continues to get better.
Hope we see some more stuff from Lorca's Evil Man Cave of weapons.
Hope we see some more stuff from Lorca's Evil Man Cave of weapons.
Why does Lorca have a room full of dodgy weapons and shit anyway
Dude is almost as shady as Mudd
Dude is almost as shady as Mudd
Are you returning to write on S2? Or have you moved on? This ep was great fun.
wow he sure is angry about people loving DSC that's kinda sad..
That was easily the best episode of this show so far
Mudd is the best
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Wowee
Mudd is the best
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Wowee
Agreed. I'm still not in love with this show, but it is showing improvement week to week, and the characters are growing on me. Production values continue to A+.
This episode felt the most "Star Trek-y" of the run for me, and I really do like Rainn Wilson's Mudd, I just hope there is a way to keep. bring him into the fold in future episodes that doesn't feel super contrived.
Did I hear correctly that Discovery has already been picked up for a second season?
Yup. It was announced this past Monday it was getting a second season. The negative though is we might not see it until 2019. That's what the producers have said that might be the time frame before a season 2 was announced. Each episode takes months of post production. Hopefully that's early 2019 as this season will end Jan/Feb 2018.
My favourite part was how it was an episode that seems clearly built around the idea that its audience has already seen this kind of thing before and needs something different to get interested in it. It could've very easily become "Star Trek Discovery 1x07: Cause and Effect Redux," and it was absolutely not that.
Things I loved: it's an anomaly-of-the-week episode, but not! The "anomaly" in question here turns out to sorta-kinda be background dressing for some lovely character building moments. The Ash/Burnham stuff is kinda cute but I could take it or leave it at this point; Burnham and Stamets, on the other hand, was lovely. That's a quietly heartbreaking secret for Burnham to tell Stamets, and the talk he gives Burnham later about how relationships work was a nice touch. It's definitely one of my favourite moments of the series so far. (Also a nice touch: of course they dance in the hallway, because EVERYTHING happens in the hallway; did you notice the two joggers near the beginning of the episode? ha!) And always in the background is the sense that Stamets is Not Right and that this nice Stamets we're getting to know is a hint of potentially bad things in the future.
I never watched very much of TOS and so don't know Mudd. This Mudd was great, though, and he plays better as a direct antagonist on Discovery than as a wildcard in a Klingon prison ship. Plenty of totally understandable anger in him, but a sense of theatrics as well; Mudd's "fifty ways to kill your Lorca" was a surprising bit of levity. He's the kind of antagonist who somehow can get away with twirling his moustache. It sounds like maybe he's going away for good now, which is probably the right move, but I wouldn't mind him showing up again a season or two from now.
The time loop stuff I thought was decently well done. They clearly fast-forward through a lot of the exposition needed to set things up, which is fine but does lead to what feels like sloppiness. How come Mudd's time crystal wristwatch works even when he's dead? (Was he disintegrated? Isn't that a problem?) Does Mudd stay on the ship after the first time loop, when he arrives via space whale (as opposed to having to arrive every time via space whale)? If so, how come he doesn't stay in the same place every loop? How come Stamets seemingly only has to explain things once to people, and then they just kind of already know afterwards? Does Stamets have to explain everything to everyone every loop, and doesn't this eat up precious time? How does Lorca and the rest of the crew act so quickly to prep for the "final loop" when this is probably the first they've heard of it and they only have half an hour? The answer to most of this is that it doesn't matter and would slow down the plot too much, which I suppose is fine and those instincts don't feel wrong. And yet I find myself thinking that I wouldn't mind a little bit of unpacking. Maybe that's the price you pay for everything else.
There's not a lot I don't like about the episode. To get it out of the way: I don't think we need Burnham's personal log at the end. Also, Tilly gets called in again to do a bunch of stuff, which leads to maybe the only real complaint about the episode (and the show to date). So there's a party on Discovery, right? And Ash Tyler gives a speech about how the war's going and we all gotta stick together and we're the best crew and blah blah blah. When did Ash Tyler become so important again? Last episode he just became chief of security. Now the crew is a big happy family that loves Ash, and we've seen none of it. Who are all these people besides Tilly and Tyler and pilot lady who keeps showing up in every episode (this time making out with someone, hott) but still hasn't really talked to anyone on the crew yet?
I think the pace of the show has necessarily had to cut some stuff out to maintain pace, and it feels like the thing that got cut is establishing the crew as, well, a CREW. I wonder if maybe I just need to see more of the bridge crew doing bridge crew things or something, because right now it feels like these characters exist as people but don't necessarily exist as much in terms of their jobs. Tilly doesn't help here because she feels like the most important cadet in the world, given how much she does on the show; as a result, I still don't really know WHAT her job is, exactly. Stamets I think is decently established as the engineer, but Engineering as a place on the ship still feels odd. It's really just, like, a room with a glorified shower stall where sparkly things happen sometimes. Culber is a doctor but hasn't had that much of a chance to do doctor stuff yet. Saru, at least, has taken over as captain and given orders and stuff.
All this can come in time, and it's not necessarily a criticism that will be valid given a few more episodes. It might be the aspect of the show that some people feel is missing, though.
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I thought this was a really well done episode. All of the actors knocked it out of the park and I really enjoyed the writing. That whole thing could have gotten tedious fast but I loved all the layers it kept building, this eccentric new Stamets is a lot of fun, and am liking Michael and Tyler. I'm watching this in-between my first watch of Deep Space Nine and it is curious to see the differences between two really good Trek shows, side by side.
