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Weltall Zero

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LSotW is kind of required to understand some of the plot developments in the first arc of MTMTE, though.

Well, that's debatable, since the comic itself makes a point to bringing the reader up to speed. But for sure, knowing the backstory always makes for a richer experience. I just wonder if people won't read LSotW and assume MTMTE is as somber as it is, and be put off by that (I mean, *I* would not read an ongoing that is like LSotW all the time).
 

Keldroc

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Oct 27, 2017
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That's pretty nice... has a nice Masterpiece look to it...

Only directly head-on from the front. The figure is a disaster from any other angle.

Well, that's debatable, since the comic itself makes a point to bringing the reader up to speed. But for sure, knowing the backstory always makes for a richer experience. I just wonder if people won't read LSotW and assume MTMTE is as somber as it is, and be put off by that (I mean, *I* would not read an ongoing that is like LSotW all the time).

I don't think MTMTE really drives home the events of LSotW well enough for a reader who hasn't read LSotW to understand the gravity and motivation of
Fort Max's PTSD and the significance of Overlord being on the Lost Light.
And if the tone of LSotW puts someone off enough to not continue, they weren't going to like MTMTE much to begin with. They're not that far apart tonally, taken as a whole.
 

Grimsen

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's pretty nice... has a nice Masterpiece look to it...

Did you also pick up Rodimus Prime?

I didn't pick up Rodimus. Not a character a like a lot. I'll probably pick up the black repaint though. I might pick Roddy up if he ends up really cheap.

Next in line is Grimlock. He was on my gift exchange list, but didn't end up getting it.

I haven't been this interested in a TF series since the beginning of the classics line. Not enough to buy everything, though. I don't like the Starscream mold, and officially my son owns Beachcomber and Windcharger. :p
 

HammerFace

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Oct 25, 2017
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The comics almost lost me at Dark Cybertron, which was really really hard to follow because of all the crossovers, but then they at least simplified their transformers lineup. But this last reboot almost lost me completely, especially when LL got delayed and I just started losing interest. Did it pick up after that initial alternate universe escapade?

Wait there were a bunch of crossovers in Dark Cybertron? I just remember it being MTMTE and RiD crossing over for like a few issues. In all honesty the majority of early RiD before combiner wars were my favorite stories. But yeah the crossovers are ridiculous and if I were paying for these comics I would have stopped at this point.
 

Keldroc

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I actually did stop for the most part when Revolution hit. I couldn't follow any kind of reading order and everything came out in the wrong order anyway so I just sort of stepped away and have only vaguely kept up with Lost Light and TAAO since then. Judging by the plummeting readership of the regular books, I don't think I'm the only one who was turned off by the Revolution intrusion.
 

Weiss

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Lost Light #12 was... actually pretty good. I liked what was done with Atomizer and the appearance of the Scavengers (and Commander Nickel).

Getaway still sucks though.

Other than that, seconding the intrusion of the Hasbroverse. I like ROM well enough but I feel like the titles have cannibalized Transformers for something that's not sustainable. I really like John Barber's work on Optimus Prime but it's hard to argue that it's not the Transformers Crossover book.

Marvel and DC get away with it because they've been doing it forever.
 
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Weltall Zero

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Oct 26, 2017
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A great issue as always, but the art of the scavengers part is rough. I mean:
3lTXBSl.jpg

What the hell?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I was looking around for the PotP figures and most regular places with worldwide shipping were out of stock, or only had a few of the figures, or only sold them in packs. So finally I just grabbed them all off Ebay from a single seller. Got the Deluxes, Grimlock and Beachcomber. I think I'm done for the first wave, but between Dinobots, Terrorcons and Predacons I fear that I'll be buying tons of figures from this line.

Speaking of which, when is the next toy show where we might see more than Divebomb's wings?
 

Mandos

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Nov 27, 2017
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Anybody see the news about the upcoming wotc TCG? That could be fun if the mechanics are well done(double sided cards seem like a good start)
 

Mandos

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It's not like companies don't do crossovers all the time. If anything it's odd they took so long to do a proper TCG.
Well yes and no, while it is a popular ip a lot of times they don't do it until a dev actually proposes a game concept that will sell and make an impact, otherwise you get stuff like the mega man and hack games that don't have sticking power. Also if you own both sides you don't want to risk the value when you can wait for a proper opening in the market.

Selling gamers on a new game is tough especially in the TCG bracket. You don't want just fans, you want to create a sustainable community
 

Drayco21

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would've been down for a full-on Hasbro crossover TCG. This just looks like someone wants to try and make some more money of that mobile card game's art that they already paid for. Hope it's cool- I'll keep an eye out for it.
 

Mandos

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Nov 27, 2017
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Also here's all the info on it
https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel...ind-dd-magic-and-avalon-hill-innovate-w514703
So Cocks went about figuring out a new approach for the company as a whole, he landed on something he describes to Glixel as the Castles and Boats approach. "The castles are the big brands with large fan bases, high expectations, lots of history and lore. We spend a lot of resources on those," he says. "The boat is more of a test. It's very fast, very flexible. If a boat doesn't succeed, that's OK; you can launch a new one. D&D and Magic are both castles for us." And a game like the upcoming Transformers title is a boat. "With the Transformers trading card game, we can be nimble," he says.

The game hasn't been formally announced yet, but Cocks says it's a title aimed both at young teens and the collector and toy audience. It will come out in September or October. "We think Transformers are cool and the game has interesting, unique mechanics," he says. "All cards are two-sided, over-sized and feel bigger, weightier in your hand." Cocks says the game has a relatively light learning curve, but a lot of depth. "It should take one or two times to understand how to play," he says.
The game, which has a unique rule set, is built around two decks. One of the decks is a hero deck and the other is a powers and abilities deck used to "amp up heroes." The strategy around play, he says, is to choose the right hero with the right abilities and powers. They're also considering making a digital version of the game, once it launches, depending on how it is received. "Transformers will be brand new to Wizards."

I'm always up to something new. Established card games are too hard to get into
 

captainzombie

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Nov 29, 2017
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I took my sons to TRU today since they wanted to spend some of their Christmas money, low and behold I stumble upon a POTP Starscream. I also saw POTP Grimlock there too.
 

mrmoose

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Nov 13, 2017
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I think it's been said before, but you can probably be patient with PotP stuff, it'll be all over in due time. The last wave of Titans returns, however, good luck (I finally just ordered Windblade on Amazon, and I think I might have to grab twin twist soon).
 

nilbog

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was amazed to see a lone TR Slugslinger at Wally World the other day.

Still on the hunt for that POTP Grimlock though.
 

nihilence

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Oct 25, 2017
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From 'quake area to big OH.
I have a Matrix of Leadership dvd set. I forgot how bad the animation and color mistakes were. I never finished it. Need to jump back in. Have they released anything recently with better quality transfers, or just stick with it.

Also have the movie, some special edition.

And I don't know where any of my childhood toys went.
 

Grimsen

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Oct 25, 2017
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Built Volcanicus tonight. He's okay. I thought I'd hate the default transformation of the arms, but it's his thighs I don't like. It's tough to get good looking poses.

Can't wait to get the last two Dinos, Jazz and Dreadwind feet just aren't right.

Still skipping Starscream. I'll probably use Dreadwind on the Inferno combiner.
 

Keldroc

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Oct 27, 2017
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I have a Matrix of Leadership dvd set. I forgot how bad the animation and color mistakes were. I never finished it. Need to jump back in. Have they released anything recently with better quality transfers, or just stick with it.

That's about as good as the original series is ever going to look. The old Rhino sets were even worse.
 

Cheerilee

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have a Matrix of Leadership dvd set. I forgot how bad the animation and color mistakes were. I never finished it. Need to jump back in. Have they released anything recently with better quality transfers, or just stick with it.

Also have the movie, some special edition.

And I don't know where any of my childhood toys went.
That's about as good as the original series is ever going to look. The old Rhino sets were even worse.
The Rhino sets used 35mm film masters, but those masters had even more animation errors than the broadcast version, and Rhino did a bad transfer, and screwed around with the audio and tried to fix the errors incorrectly. It was very unpopular with enthusiasts.

When Shout Factory got the license, they made a new transfer from one of the broadcast masters, so all of the animation errors in the Shout Factory DVDs are "correct" (as in, they match what kids saw on TV in the 80's).

If Shout Factory really wanted, they could probably take the 35mm masters that Rhino used and do a proper 4K transfer (like they did with Transformers The Movie), and use the broadcast masters as a guide to properly fixing the additional errors. But they would probably only fix it up to the same level as the broadcast masters. And even that would be a huge undertaking, and probably not worth the expense. Although if I was Shout Factory, I'd probably try testing the waters. Three episodes for the pilot, another 13 episodes for season one... maybe worth a try. The DVDs have sold extremely well, and people just might be willing to double-dip for an amazing bluray. Probably depends on how much The Movie's restoration cost, and how well it sold.

yV7Ad5r.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/RZtkC
 

Weltall Zero

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Well yes and no, while it is a popular ip a lot of times they don't do it until a dev actually proposes a game concept that will sell and make an impact, otherwise you get stuff like the mega man and hack games that don't have sticking power. Also if you own both sides you don't want to risk the value when you can wait for a proper opening in the market.

Selling gamers on a new game is tough especially in the TCG bracket. You don't want just fans, you want to create a sustainable community

I don't know, with the CCG boom during the late 90s and early 00s when there was a CCG for fucking everything, I still feel it's odd Hasbro, owning WotC, didn't make a CCG of one of its major franchises. "Waiting for an opening" is not what companies did back there; if anything they all rode the coattails of the CCG craze. It feels weirder to do it now, where a lot of people has moved on to digital CCGs like Hearthstone.
 

captainzombie

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Nov 29, 2017
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Do you guys know if Optimus POTP is slated to release at TRU and Walmart soon? I picked up Starscream last night, I really like his figure while I notice some people didn't really care for it.
 

Keldroc

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Rhino sets used 35mm film masters, but those masters had even more animation errors than the broadcast version, and Rhino did a bad transfer, and screwed around with the audio and tried to fix the errors incorrectly. It was very unpopular with enthusiasts.

When Shout Factory got the license, they made a new transfer from one of the broadcast masters, so all of the animation errors in the Shout Factory DVDs are "correct" (as in, they match what kids saw on TV in the 80's).

If Shout Factory really wanted, they could probably take the 35mm masters that Rhino used and do a proper 4K transfer (like they did with Transformers The Movie), and use the broadcast masters as a guide to properly fixing the additional errors. But they would probably only fix it up to the same level as the broadcast masters. And even that would be a huge undertaking, and probably not worth the expense. Although if I was Shout Factory, I'd probably try testing the waters. Three episodes for the pilot, another 13 episodes for season one... maybe worth a try. The DVDs have sold extremely well, and people just might be willing to double-dip for an amazing bluray. Probably depends on how much The Movie's restoration cost, and how well it sold.

yV7Ad5r.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/RZtkC

The movie sold quite well, so a restoration job may not be out of the question. As you say, it'd be a big undertaking. It'd be smarter to release it all as one set, probably, since sales tend to dwindle as retro series releases drag on.
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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A great issue as always, but the art of the scavengers part is rough. I mean:
3lTXBSl.jpg

What the hell?
Something tells me there were issues when working on this 3 parter.
The moment i saw the art for the Scavengers' interlude in the first page it struck me.

Yeah I have a feeling Sunder got into Getaway's head the first time he was unleashed on the LL. Getaway's obsession with greatness in these 3 issues seems pretty sudden and I can only explain it with Sunder just giving him a big extra push.

Dunno how I feel about Riptide being less smarter than the average Cybertronian though, but First Aid trying to explain it was hilarious
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I got Chromia and Scrounge the other day so I'm pretty much caught up on older CHUG figures now. Also, today MP Sunstreaker dropped in, and this is a figure you absolutely need to get! I might be a tiny bit biased since I like the character, but this should be a top 5 Masterpiece either way. So many features in both car mode and bot mode, amazing posability, and a ridiculously clever transformation that keeps everything locked up really tight in either mode.

mp_sunstreaker_robot_lotus.jpg

"I will meditate and then destroy you."

In no particular order, my top 5 of Masterpieces should be Sunstreaker, Megatron, Inferno/Grapple, Soundwave and Prowl.
 

Tizoc

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I don't know much about how they transform so I was curious if they used some ideas from the deluxe generation figure that was designed to be able to give both their unique look without needing an entirely new mold.

Not a single one. Aside from the obvious same alternate mode, I don't think there is a single piece in these that are the same. Sunstreaker is 100% new.
 

mrmoose

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Nov 13, 2017
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I mean there just aren't as many Decepticons: we already got pretty much wave 1 with Megatron, Soundwave, the seekers, and the cassettes. If you take combiners and triple changers off the table (for now), I'm not sure what you're left with pre-movie, reflector and the insecticons?
 

Keldroc

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Toys That Made Us' Netflix series of documentaries will have a Transformers episode in the second season / batch:
https://www.seibertron.com/transfor...e-in-post-production-coming-soon-tttmu/40419/
I watched the first episode (Star Wars toys) and it was great, so I'm really looking forward to this. Unfortunately it seems Michael Bay will be in it (bleh), but also Peter Cullen!

Funfact: You can see my personal Omega Supreme, Whirl, Cheetor, and Blaster in the Transformers episode.

I see. That he came so soon after Sideswipe made me wonder that. It's such a shame how often we get MP Autobots when compared to Deceptions.

MP Sideswipe came out five years ago, though.
 

Weltall Zero

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Keldroc

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Wait, what? That's awesome, you have to tell us that story!

Not much to it, really. I met one of the producers at LA Comic Con because he heard me mention my TF collection during a panel, and he later emailed asking for a bunch of G1 stuff they hadn't been able to find to shoot b-roll of. I had most of it and brought it to their office so they could do so. Most of them were adult acquisitions but the Omega Supreme is the one I had as a kid, still going strong 32 years later.
 

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's awesome. My friend borrowed my TFs for a stop motion project. Never saw it haha.

I mean there just aren't as many Decepticons: we already got pretty much wave 1 with Megatron, Soundwave, the seekers, and the cassettes. If you take combiners and triple changers off the table (for now), I'm not sure what you're left with pre-movie, reflector and the insecticons?
Believe in Triple Changers!

And MikeProtagonist thanks I might get Sunstreaker now. Was never too fond of him and his custom built Lambo!
 

Weltall Zero

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Oct 26, 2017
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Not much to it, really. I met one of the producers at LA Comic Con because he heard me mention my TF collection during a panel, and he later emailed asking for a bunch of G1 stuff they hadn't been able to find to shoot b-roll of. I had most of it and brought it to their office so they could do so. Most of them were adult acquisitions but the Omega Supreme is the one I had as a kid, still going strong 32 years later.

Interesting, I'm assuming they were looking for G1 originals and not reproductions? I have G1 Omega Supreme but it's the 2008 re-release; I would guess a complete (and working) original G1 one would be relatively hard to find, with all those parts!
That's pretty cool in any case, thanks for sharing. :)
 

Keldroc

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Interesting, I'm assuming they were looking for G1 originals and not reproductions? I have G1 Omega Supreme but it's the 2008 re-release; I would guess a complete (and working) original G1 one would be relatively hard to find, with all those parts!
That's pretty cool in any case, thanks for sharing. :)

They preferred vintage, yeah, but if they couldn't find anything else they'd use reissues. My Blaster is one of the 2004 Takara "book" reissues, for instance. I brought my Megatron, as well, but he is a Frankenstein creation of numerous junker Megatrons cobbled together, and another guy came in who had a legit 1984 Megatron so they used that. However, he did not have the attachments and I did, so it's my silencer/stock/scope on his vintage Megs.

The production team was very concerned about getting everything accurate, having legit original toys, and not having mistransformations in play. The show runner in particular was maybe the biggest Omega Supreme fan I've ever met. The people making the show are the real thing, as far as I could tell. Hopefully the show does well, because they have some cool plans for a second season.
 

Weltall Zero

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They preferred vintage, yeah, but if they couldn't find anything else they'd use reissues. My Blaster is one of the 2004 Takara "book" reissues, for instance. I brought my Megatron, as well, but he is a Frankenstein creation of numerous junker Megatrons cobbled together, and another guy came in who had a legit 1984 Megatron so they used that. However, he did not have the attachments and I did, so it's my silencer/stock/scope on his vintage Megs.

The production team was very concerned about getting everything accurate, having legit original toys, and not having mistransformations in play. The show runner in particular was maybe the biggest Omega Supreme fan I've ever met. The people making the show are the real thing, as far as I could tell. Hopefully the show does well, because they have some cool plans for a second season.

That's all pretty cool insight into the making of the show, thanks a lot. They really seemed to have done their homework in the Star Wars episode and it was super entertaining, so I can see how they would be passionate about this stuff.
 

Keldroc

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The first issue of Transformers vs. Visionaries has sold out and is headed for a second printing.

What a strange time we live in.