Tess is currently still selling the gloves. We'll see what the weekly reset brings later today.
And yes, I am also missing the Titan helmet. Tess has never sold the Omega Mechanos helmet during Season 2.
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Destiny 2: Curse of Osiris |OT| Guaranteed Lighthouse Run, $19.99
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Tess is currently still selling the gloves. We'll see what the weekly reset brings later today.
And yes, I am also missing the Titan helmet. Tess has never sold the Omega Mechanos helmet during Season 2.
Sounds like the Ishtar dev just lives in a bubble. "I'm having fun, why aren't you?" That shit is so irritating. Countless people have vocalised precisely what is wrong with the game and have categorically broken down why Destiny 2 is a step backwards and inferior to Destiny 1. Bungie's poor communication and lack of action has made it worse. This has been going on for months. But no, everyone is just negative for the sake of it, because we're miserable assholes.
Poorly formed indeed.
Poorly formed indeed.
So I tried to log on tonight as my old clan wanted to catch up for a raid and when I got on, I couldn't land in the tower or on any planets, I was just stuck in orbit. The error code elderberry came up constantly and when I looked up the definition, it just says a very vague networking error. Internet is fine (NAT 2) , and done the hard reset, cleared cache etc.
I don't see any major issues with this on bungie forums etc, so wondering if anyone has any ideas? I find it a little unusual as when I had error codes in D1 it would usually boot me out the game, and not let me sit in orbit. Apparently someone else in the clan had problems where he could land but there was nothing there, and he just gave up after days of trying. I could play before I went on holiday about 3 weeks ago fine, and nothing has changed, and I can play every other online game fine right now. Its just Destiny. I also portforwarded the router ages ago for D1 so that's all set up already.
Has there been an update recently or anyone think of anything else I can try? If this persists for weeks/months etc could I get a refund? I'm in no rush to play destiny again (not until the expansion I paid for already anyway) but if I cant play the game at that time, surely that's a good reason for a refund?
I don't see any major issues with this on bungie forums etc, so wondering if anyone has any ideas? I find it a little unusual as when I had error codes in D1 it would usually boot me out the game, and not let me sit in orbit. Apparently someone else in the clan had problems where he could land but there was nothing there, and he just gave up after days of trying. I could play before I went on holiday about 3 weeks ago fine, and nothing has changed, and I can play every other online game fine right now. Its just Destiny. I also portforwarded the router ages ago for D1 so that's all set up already.
Has there been an update recently or anyone think of anything else I can try? If this persists for weeks/months etc could I get a refund? I'm in no rush to play destiny again (not until the expansion I paid for already anyway) but if I cant play the game at that time, surely that's a good reason for a refund?
Or video games are subjective and some contingent of players genuinely like most of the design changes in 2, and the people who've been hating on 2 aren't any more "correct", but rather, simply disappointed and want something closer to Destiny 1. It's the inability to civily disagree and discuss these receptions that has made the community toxic.
It takes time to shift a game in the substantial ways the community at large demand. We can be angry consumers screaming at the customer service reps all we want, but it's not going to improve R&D, or engineering, or design, or production. It's just going to make us miserable.
They are listening, they are shifting, and we will see the game change in response to the hardcore player reception. Constantly berating them (or each other) in the meantime just makes us assholes.
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It would not be as much of an issue if it was for free, or with the money we paid last September.
The best case scenario is that, like Destiny 1, Bungie will be fixing something that was globally fine before in the next couple of years instead of focusing growing the franchise.
And this time, they don't have any excuse.
Internet came back this morning so I spent the last 10 min killing the rest of the Wizards for the last schematic. Another useless Ghost and 2 Sparrows. At least one of them was the instant spawn one. What a horrible event. Looking forward to their Weekly Update on this shit.
Yep, people mentioned specifically why they're frustrated with it. People aren't being mad for the sake of being mad.
Yep, people mentioned specifically why they're frustrated with it. People aren't being mad for the sake of being mad.
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Let's see what the shenanigans they'll pull for Crimson Event
Flower Engrams or Crimson Bloom Engrams
Only get 1per account per week
Yet add like +30 new items into tge fold
You can earn "rewards" that are from the other pool @0.04% rate!
Jumps to 0.14% if somehow you earn the Crimson Soulmate Ghost for the +10% Loot chance!
I never said the dissent was correct and that he was wrong. If he likes the game, great. Good for him. But for him to admit that he doesn't understand why people are angry, and to dismiss it as misguided anger is, as he put it himself, a poorly formed statement.
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Bungie doesn't owe us anything. We're not paying a monthly sub and the game isn't unplayable and broken. You may find it disappointing, but that's how life goes sometimes. You can't eat a meal at a restaurant and then because the ratio of spices wasn't what you wanted demand that you get another meal for free. Similarly, this attitude is ridiculous:
You don't have to keep playing beyond what you want. There is no monthly sub. Bungie did not promise infinite playtime. I see this attitude with the Diablo 3 community as well. "I'm Paragon 6000 in Season 12 and have all the legendaries and sets, Blizz. Just give me something to do!" Really?
Bungie is working to improve the game. Just like they did with Destiny 1. They've been working to improve it since launch. They've continually addressed fan feedback.Could they have been better at talking with fans? Sure. They've even implemented changes already, such as Masterworks and Vendor changes. They don't have to do any changes, but they will and it takes time. They are 100% committed to the game and making it better. But don't think they owe us anything beyond what we paid for in that initial purchase. And constantly shitting on the game does not make this a community that people want to be a part of.
Oh boy! If we're playing the anecdote game: I can't get anyone to want to jump ship back to Destiny 1 for the life of me (And with my experience with PS4's matchmaking for strikes, I have been trying). My girlfriend's curiosity with Destiny 1 starts and ends with...
- The CGI cutscenes for Taken King and Rise of Iron.
- Interesting bits of lore and environments that are re-used or mentioned in Destiny 2 no matter how briefly (I.E. Felwinter Cliffs with the observatory and what's beyond that weird dead-end by the observatory, what's Rasputin?).
She's just not biting though, because that sort of grind is simply unappealing to her. She likes being able to swap around weapons as freely as she does without feeling like she's being penalized for it because of how much broader "Kinetic" mods are over like Hand Cannon reload speed, or needing to dump three hours into leveling an exotic before it's actually exotic. She's not willing to level a character up from level 1-40, hit 340 item level and still not have a single sub-spec maxed out no matter how much freedom that gives her build. She sees the mess of icons that are littered across every map and feels no inclination to want to run all that content because man, she does not think the Patrol Zones I've been running through are that interesting in the first place (But she's really quick to make fun of the fact that Fast Travel and in-game maps don't exist).
... She does love Ghost Ghost though. That almost broke her.
I have to wonder how much of that's the same console-manufacturer politics that is keeping PS4 Minecraft players sequestered from the rest of their community.
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Bungie doesn't owe us anything. We're not paying a monthly sub and the game isn't unplayable and broken. You may find it disappointing, but that's how life goes sometimes. You can't eat a meal at a restaurant and then because the ratio of spices wasn't what you wanted demand that you get another meal for free. Similarly, this attitude is ridiculous:
You don't have to keep playing beyond what you want. There is no monthly sub. Bungie did not promise infinite playtime. I see this attitude with the Diablo 3 community as well. "I'm Paragon 6000 in Season 12 and have all the legendaries and sets, Blizz. Just give me something to do!" Really?
Bungie is working to improve the game. Just like they did with Destiny 1. They've been working to improve it since launch. They've continually addressed fan feedback.Could they have been better at talking with fans? Sure. They've even implemented changes already, such as Masterworks and Vendor changes. They don't have to do any changes, but they will and it takes time. They are 100% committed to the game and making it better. But don't think they owe us anything beyond what we paid for in that initial purchase. And constantly shitting on the game does not make this a community that people want to be a part of.
As a service type game, if they want us to continue playing their game, buying DLC and Eververse junk, yes, they do owe us. People only have so much patience and so much willingness to forgive. Other developers understand, but Bungie and some of their ardent loyalists think they're above that .
At the end of the day, they're a business and I'm a consumer. If they want my money, they need to earn it. I shouldn't have to convince them why I should give it to them, when I ultimately have what they want and need to stay in business. I don't need them. I'm not dependent on them.
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Changing sandbox, investment, and social features isn't going to be relegated to expansion content. People that bought the base game will get to experience the redesigned elements of the game also if they wish to.
Why is it irritating? Honestly asking.
Video games are subjective experiences. I, for instance, think Destiny 2 is a vastly improved game over Destiny 1. Now do I sympathize with those who disagree- sure! But, allow me to make this very clear.
You (as-in your opinion) is in the vocal minority. The Destiny player-base wasn't GAF, isn't Era, and certainly isn't Reddit. Most people liked Destiny 2! (Especially as someone who felt painfully burned by D1's release state.) I don't have to play the game each and every week to "not miss out". I can take a 3 month break, for whatever reason, and not feel like I'm letting my friends down..
Is there room for improvement? Yes absolutely (glares at 199/200 vault spaces) And those will come, in time.
But please- don't pretend like your argument is irrevocable. It is not. They're merely opinions (strongly held) but still, opinions.
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Forgive? Have you been wronged in some way? I'm curious, why do you need to make it so personal? It's a game.
...You say that like it's a good thing, but isn't a factor in why people are mad the perception that Bungie apparently learnt barely anything from how Destiny 1 played out? How many chances are people supposed to give before they're allowed to say negative things?
I think the problem with people not understanding where others are coming from is people are looking at it from two different perspectives: art versus product.
If Bungie are artists, just making the game they want, the art they want, then no, they don't owe anyone anything. Art is subjective and complaining that some piece of art isn't to your taste is pointless. It is what it is, just like JohnOfMars' meal analogy.
If Bungie are providing a product to customers, on the other hand, then yes they do owe the people giving them money a product worth the price. People paid - a lot, in my opinion, and that's before you start counting the Eververse - and saying that well it's just too bad you lost that money is ridiculously anti-consumer. Companies are not entitled to good reception, and consumers (by virtue of money spent) are entitled to complain.
Let me spell it out for you:
He's dismissing most of the outrage without actually finding out why people are upset. He has put forth no effort to at least understand.
It's fine if he ultimately disagrees. It's fine if he likes the game. But to play dumb and not take the time to see why people are unhappy, this long after the game has launched, is pretty stupid and lazy on his part. There have been plenty of videos, articles, blog and forum posts that have detailed what is wrong with the game. He can't be that busy to not look them up himself. We all have.
Again, if he personally sees no issue, I'm not taking that away from him. But don't flat out ignore people's grievances and just say people are pissed for the sake of it. He doesn't want to paint the community with a wide brush, but that's exactly what he did.
But even someone with the most unfavorable perspective of Destiny 2 can't really make the case that they repeated their old mistakes here, but rather, arguably, made different kinds of mistakes. They approached this product as primarily an action game with a more competent campaign and tried to create a new baseline for balance. They didn't focus as much on investment and social features, and it's becoming more and more apparent to them that this was a detriment to most regular players.
There is art, there is product, but there is also community. We have relationships with each other, and we can't put all the blame on Bungie for that deterioration.
In a nut shell:
That the game isn't a continuation of Destiny year 3 from a content and QoL perspective. Bungie took out more things than they added, which for a sequel, doesn't make any sense. Overall, what little depth and end game chase that was present in D1, being ripped from the game. Numerous decisions that were motivated by the desire to chase casual players, but ultimately alienated dedicated players. Repeating the same mistakes and poor decisions that mired Destiny 1's development that they had promised wouldn't happen again, yet, here we are.
Why are we even talking about this? It's the same shit over and over again.
I only chimed in earlier because that Ishtar dev's awful comment. Besides that, I'm pretty chill and waiting to see how Bungie is gonna fix things.
Damn, I almost feel like I should be more outspoken with both the issues and the positives of Destiny 2.
I've been knee deep in this game since weeks prior to launch, planning, playing, managing and trying to do what I can to be a good community member and a better player. I can see both sides or the the topic, but I cannot be arsed to speak up/out either way. Well, beside Crucible needing to go back to 6v6, lol.
I really hope for some content additions and QoL changes to bring people back into the game and the community though....
I just wanted to step in and say, yup, fu(k Comcast.
There's no competition in the city I live in, so they charge a ridiculous amount of money for service that fades in and out constantly and is managed like crap. I get about 100mbs into the router, but the second it goes to wi-fi, it comes out at 30 max and drops off to nothing within a few feet, but that doesn't even matter when the signal fluxuates constantly...
I've been knee deep in this game since weeks prior to launch, planning, playing, managing and trying to do what I can to be a good community member and a better player. I can see both sides or the the topic, but I cannot be arsed to speak up/out either way. Well, beside Crucible needing to go back to 6v6, lol.
I really hope for some content additions and QoL changes to bring people back into the game and the community though....
I just wanted to step in and say, yup, fu(k Comcast.
There's no competition in the city I live in, so they charge a ridiculous amount of money for service that fades in and out constantly and is managed like crap. I get about 100mbs into the router, but the second it goes to wi-fi, it comes out at 30 max and drops off to nothing within a few feet, but that doesn't even matter when the signal fluxuates constantly...
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Would it be okay if Bungie said "Destiny 2 is a 120 hours shared-world shooter experience"? Like any game could tell "It would take you up to 30 hours to finish the game", and then, it's up to you to spend more time with it?
As a casual gamer myself, Destiny 2 is alright and I got enough from this game. As did I for Destiny 1 to be honest. And then, maybe, the depth reddit is asking isn't something Bungie wanted to create with this game.
As a casual gamer myself, Destiny 2 is alright and I got enough from this game. As did I for Destiny 1 to be honest. And then, maybe, the depth reddit is asking isn't something Bungie wanted to create with this game.
I'm still playing the game but yea, I will bitch about the stuff I don't like. Once I get the Sagiri Shell, I have little motivation to continue playing.
Also yea, I ordered a new modem and it arrives on Thursday. Hopefully it fixes the issues. I'm getting one blue and one green light which is unusual. It should both be blue. So I'm wondering if their service is screwing up or my modem is on the fritz.
They've been doing that for the last 3 years. People want the damn improved game already.
I love how often people assume this. Player population and internet outrage tend to say otherwise. My friend's list has never been more dead. If the majority of the people really liked the game, none of the major sweeping changes that have come or will come will have been needed. Bungie wouldn't be knee-deep in shit right now. They wouldn't be bending over backwards to change the game. You've never seen salt like this before. You've never seen Chris Barrett or Luke Smith have to make a statement about the shit state of the game in the weekly update. They've never had to do this much damage control.
As a guy who plays Destiny 2 for maybe an hour a day (and doesn't play every single day) I prefer it vastly to D1. It's a much easier game to play casually than D1 was, especially at this point in its life. And while I am satisfied with most things about D2 I do hear the complaints and it is unfortunate that there is so much negativity but people are entitled to their opinions.
The game was uncommonly good to me in my hour last night. I got nearly a full row of legendary engrams (and 1 exotic) and the 5 radioloran blossoms I needed to finish up my 6th forge weapon. 6 down, 4 to go. The grind is real but I am enjoying having something to work towards.
The game was uncommonly good to me in my hour last night. I got nearly a full row of legendary engrams (and 1 exotic) and the 5 radioloran blossoms I needed to finish up my 6th forge weapon. 6 down, 4 to go. The grind is real but I am enjoying having something to work towards.
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People are allowed to criticize and say negative things, no one is objecting to that. Isthar's comments and my own are wondering why the feedback is so vitriolic and sustained.
Destiny 2 cost $60 and had a ridiculous amount of content. Far more than Destiny 1. Expansion 1 cost $20, and had substantially more content than either TDB or HoW from Destiny 1. It may not be content you liked or in the particular way you wanted, but Destiny 2 is not a scam.
It is not anti-consumer to say that consumers aren't spoiled godkings who must be appeased at all costs. The onus is on the consumer to be smart about their purchases. If you were skeptical of Destiny 2, then you could have waited for reviews and community feedback. Eververse may be too central in Destiny 2, but it's hardly predatory. From a business perspective, Bungie has done nothing wrong, even if we all want them to improve.
And before you think me a corporate shill, I should state I'm a card carrying socialist and am staunchly anti-capital and corporations.
I don't think you understood my question, or even Isthar's statement. He's not saying he doesn't know why people are unhappy. Read it again:
I fully understand why people have stopped playing, although I don't understand why people are so angry, bitter and cynical about it.
That's why I asked you why you used the word "forgive". It's a very personal word. Has the video game personally wronged you in such a way that Bungie needs to be forgiven? I'm not asking about why the game isn't what you want. I'm curious why that elicits such a strong personal feeling. It's the same when I see posts saying "This is insulting!" or "This change offends me." I don't get that. It's a game.
You have it. It's called Destiny 2. I'm not trolling here. Bungie made Destiny 2 as an improvement on D1. There are a lot of improvements, even if not everyone agrees that they all worked.
That's what Ishtar's comment is all about.
I fully understand why people have stopped playing, although I don't understand why people are so angry, bitter and cynical about it.
Same here. I don't understand why it's this point is so salty and vitriolic when the game has been in much worse shape before. Hell, we even had a D1 OT called "Killed by the Architects".
Yea it's funny how this works. Personally I buy tons of full price games and play them for 10-20 hours and feel completely satisfied. Stuff like mario odyssey where I have <15 hours, beat the game, and don't particularly have a burning desire to go collect all the remaining moons. Went back to playing d2 instead. I'm not mad at Nintendo though, I got what I wanted.
The problem comes in the expectations game - destiny 2 doesn't make you feel like you absolutely have to keep playing, and destiny 1 did. I've put about 40-50 hours on my PC copy and I was able to do both Raids, have a bunch of Exotics and MW weapons, and I'm nearly geared up enough for prestige NF. All my subclasses are unlocked and I have 100+ legendary items in the vault. That would not be possible in destiny 1 especially not through mostly casual play of strike playlist and public events. At that point the only reason to keep playing is if the gameplay really grabs you - there's nothing really significant to keep grinding for in the same way as you might grind for a Vex Mythoclast or a Gjally or a Black Hammer or some God-Roll weapon. Only reason to keep playing is if you enjoy the gameplay moment to moment (or I guess targeting the one really hard to achieve thing in the game, grinding out eververse items without paying - something you couldn't really do in destiny 1 due to the 3 box/week limit and I wonder if that's why eververse has now become a target by the community).
I see it a lot on various places that players want to be "rewarded for their time" and I think this generally speaks to how in d1 a veteran was just gonna be better geared than a casual due having more chances at god rolls, Exotics, etc. D2 levels the playing field and that doesn't necessarily succeed only if the casual turns into a hardcore gamer with 100s of hours in d2. It succeeds if they enjoy their time with the game and come back for the next big $40 or $60 expansion.
Now did bungie mess some stuff up in d2? Absolutely. PvP population cratered and it's because the new 4v4 system just isn't appealing to as many people as the old PvP. Props to them for trying something new but I don't think it quite worked this time, and there won't be any quick fixes possible for that. Even in the beta I was not a big fan of the 4v4 but I bought the game anyway and I'm not gonna be angry at bungie about that.
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Anyway, here's a salt and salt-discussion free post:
You vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
You vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
Except it isn't. You just said they will improve D2 like D1. If we had the improved game, that wouldn't be needed. People want Destiny to be at its best at launch. They don't want to pay $60 and then 3 years later the game is what they expected when they bought it at launch.
Dude, it's not hard to understand at all. Destiny 1 was a game an entire community loved. They changed what a lot of people loved about the game. D2, to many, is an inferior product. People (myself included) are mad about that.
P.S. You don't allow salty titles as the person who makes the thread or else there probably would have been a lot worse with D2. ;)
Oh yeah- The negativity was waaaaaay worse in Destiny 1. Vanilla really turned a lot of people off (myself included). You couldn't speak positively, outside of the OT, without getting vitriolic "Keep playing your addiction-ware" (<--- actual comment I received), type of replies. That lasted for awhile, too. Well into the first year. TTK made people give the game another look, and TTK's early-mid game was an order of magnitude better than Vanilla D1. So that helped
But, D1 never really lost that stigma.
D2's community outrage seems rather...quaint? By comparison.
But, D1 never really lost that stigma.
D2's community outrage seems rather...quaint? By comparison.
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That's not fair. I named OT3 The Token King, right when everyone was salty that the entire reward economy in Destiny 2 is tokens. :P
I think most people who ended up hating the endgame simply moved on.
The Ishtar guy wasn't complaining about criticism, he was complaining about the people that are toxic about it. Look at the Bungie forums. It is filled with "#RemoveEververse" and nothing else. That's not constructive.
Ishtar is 100% correct in that this community isn't what it used to be.
Ishtar is 100% correct in that this community isn't what it used to be.
Yeeeesh, this thread.
Er, I saw just as many people complain about D1 as they do D2. Constant, ceaseless, never-ending complaining. These same people continued to play the game regardless of any complaints they had. Same goes for D2.
Player population? There's a ton of people playing D2 (at least on PS4, where I play). You're free to be unhappy with the game. There are certainly changes I'd like to see instituted. But there's no need to be disingenuous or hyperbolic about how many people are playing. It's rare that I go to the Tower and see less than two and a half pages of players in there at a time. And yes, I've seen salt like this before. I've seen salt worse than this. I've seen salt that caused Bioware to change the entire ending of a game due to player backlash. I've seen salt so bad it caused Microsoft to give up on draconian DRM policies. I've seen salt so bad it forced EA to alter the makeup of a game which was heavily dependent on loot boxes.
You can be unhappy with D2 all you want, and there are sentiments I share, but come on. The game is going to be fine. More than fine, actually. At least, in terms of popularity. Whether or not that's a good thing, I leave to you.
Er, I saw just as many people complain about D1 as they do D2. Constant, ceaseless, never-ending complaining. These same people continued to play the game regardless of any complaints they had. Same goes for D2.
Player population? There's a ton of people playing D2 (at least on PS4, where I play). You're free to be unhappy with the game. There are certainly changes I'd like to see instituted. But there's no need to be disingenuous or hyperbolic about how many people are playing. It's rare that I go to the Tower and see less than two and a half pages of players in there at a time. And yes, I've seen salt like this before. I've seen salt worse than this. I've seen salt that caused Bioware to change the entire ending of a game due to player backlash. I've seen salt so bad it caused Microsoft to give up on draconian DRM policies. I've seen salt so bad it forced EA to alter the makeup of a game which was heavily dependent on loot boxes.
You can be unhappy with D2 all you want, and there are sentiments I share, but come on. The game is going to be fine. More than fine, actually. At least, in terms of popularity. Whether or not that's a good thing, I leave to you.
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People have invested money and time into this game. They want both to be respected through promises being fulfilled, rather than being broken. You'd think after three years, Bungie would have delivered a product that was far and above and beyond what Destiny 1 was. Instead, we got a game, though improved in some areas, but by and large, was a step backwards. Instead of expanding on things like armor perks, ranked PvP and Grimoire, things that people begged to be given more depth, were stripped down even more or taken out entirely.
People have taken this personally. They want Destiny to be their hobby, their bread and butter, go to game. They see Bungie's failures, despite an immense amount if feedback, to be a slap in the face. They feel disrespected because no matter how or what they say, Bungie appears to make the same mistakes without any sign of really understanding what their players want.
Think of it as a relationship. Deep down, you love someone, but you just want them to get their act together. For them to live up to their potential and for them to do right by you without any drama. People feel mislead and strung along.
People have invested money and time into this game. They want both to be respected through promises being fulfilled, rather than being broken. You'd think after three years, Bungie would have delivered a product that was far and above and beyond what Destiny 1 was. Instead, we got a game, though improved in some areas, but by and large, was a step backwards. Instead of expanding on things like armor perks, ranked PvP and Grimoire, things that people begged to be given more depth, were stripped down even more or taken out entirely.
People have taken this personally. They want Destiny to be their hobby, their bread and butter, go to game. They see Bungie's failures, despite an immense amount if feedback, to be a slap in the face. They feel disrespected because no matter how or what they say, Bungie appears to make the same mistakes without any sign of really understanding what their players want.
Think of it as a relationship. Deep down, you love someone, but you just want them to get their act together. For them to live up to their potential and for them to do right by you without any drama. People feel mislead and strung along.
Reddit has never been full of nothing but negative posts. Bungie's forums have never had a months long forum-wide protest. My friend's list is dead. My clan of 95 people has 3 people on max at a time, and it's the same 3 people all the time. Trials population is currently lower on 3 platforms than it's lowest in Y3 D1 on 2 platforms. Twitch viewership is lower than ever. I'm not talking about Bioware games, I'm talking about Destiny.
People can say the game is great and that the people who are mad are a "vocal minority" but logic says otherwise.
I'm working on something about how we access activities in game. If y'all don't mind, I have a quick informal poll about non-Director activities:
-How often do you access meditations?
-How often do you access Mercury's heroic adventures?
-Do you feel these activities' difficulties are appropriate for 1 player?
-How often do you access meditations?
-How often do you access Mercury's heroic adventures?
-Do you feel these activities' difficulties are appropriate for 1 player?
PvP population is down. Destiny tracker is still tracking over 1 million daily players in PvE. On Xbox, destiny 2 is bouncing between 10-15 in the Most Played list when I've checked. It's nowhere near dead.
absolutely a lot of people did quit playing , I'm not sure if more or less than after destiny 1's launch (where almost all the GAF clans created before destiny 1 came out seemed to quickly become empty husks)
I was about to touch on this. Numbers speak for themselves.
Plus, though an anecdote, when you see someone like Gothalion playing Fortnite and Borderlands 2, you know something is severely wrong .
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Thank you for the reply. That does help explain why people are so upset, even if I don't agree with it.
Now that I think about it, Bungie calls the team that handles rewards the "Investment team". And I suppose it makes sense if you have an investment to be upset if it's not being treated how you want. I still think the level and intensity is baffling, and well, disappointing, but your reply does help elucidate. Thanks.
Understood, but any internet forum, including Bungie, Era, Gamefaqs, etc ARE the minority. The vast majority of gamers do not post on internet forums. I've seen Twitch viewership months after D1 vanilla released at about this level. As for Reddit, on the first page I see one negative topic thread (Eververse). Everything else is random stuff.
Are you still playing it? How exactly are you getting Trials numbers? Destiny 2 TRN? There were well over a million people playing PvE yesterday, and almost 300,000 playing PvP? Is that what you call dead?
Never, never, depends on the modifiers (heroic adventures) | not an issue (meditations)
I personally never touch mediations.
Only did mercury heroic adventures once to gain acces to forge.
Mediations is easy for one person.
Mercury heroic adventures difficulty ranges from medium to hard for one person. I tried one and could not get far because of shielded mobs, tried again with different mods and was able to beat it easily as 1 person.
Trials.report website shows trials numbers for the weekend. They are way down from d1. Last two weekends have both been 150k guardians total played trials across 3 platforms. In d1 it maintained a much higher population (300-500k). Someone on Reddit had a google sheet with all the numbers. https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyThe..._last_68_trials_of_osiris_events_the_numbers/
Trials being 4v4, no mercy on cards, and maybe the PvP Meta are probably all contributing to that decline. I'm not super into trials but it's definitely pretty unforgiving now and after the first few weeks of d2 Trials I wasn't able to pull together a pickup team of 4 on Xbox anymore. Probably a lot of people with similar experience.
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I saw a chart in the discord that I think was based off trials.report. I also saw that D2 is no longer in the top 10 games for Xbox.
I feel you there. I don't even attempt Trials anymore. That's some MLG shit I just can't handle.
Nor surprised. Xbox was always a smaller audience for Destiny. Expected given the PS4 exclusive stuff (which I think is bullshit). I guess my point is: PvP numbers seem fine to me, but who knows? I know the PvE side of the game is going strong.
I would play Meditations if the rewards were worth it. But it's a waste of time.
The PS4 exclusives haven't been good since Hawkmoon. Most of the time you're better off not having them, I don't know when Xbox players will get that through their heads.
Last I saw, PVE numbers were near Y3 D3 levels, which is awful for a game this old.