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Thisman

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,841
Frankly I'm sick and tired of the same location . In the middle of Forrest area . How near a desert or next to the ocean or some form or downtown area
 

Strafer

The Flagpole is Wider
Member
Oct 25, 2017
29,382
Sweden
Well then, Carl is gone. Just wished we didn't spend the whole damn episode waiting for him to die.

He did more acting in this episode than he ever did on the show, and I did tear up a bit though.

No father should watch his son die.
 

cLOUDo

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,188
Whatever the decision they take, the season finale would be a clusterfuck

To me (comic spoiler ahead)
Keeps Negan alive works in the comic, but the way the show had carried the story and the character is not gonna works the same way
 

J-Wood

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,799
Based on the final shot of last night's episode I'm betting

They actually kill Rick at the end of this season, they wrap this show up with 1 or 2 more seasons, and transition over to "Fear" being their main show
 

Effnine

Member
Oct 28, 2017
556
I feel like people saying the Carl scenes were good (even the Michonne stuff) don't watch much quality television.

It was purposefully drawn out for commercials and they kept repeating the same dull lines.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
It's weird because, on top of the fact that everyone hated Carl since forever, people are always complaining about plot armor. So then they kill off the character with the most plot armor of all - in a meaningful way that will impact the future of the show for years to come - and like suddenly everyone is upset? I'm convinced that people only want the opposite of whatever the show gives them.

I certainly didn't hate Carl. The majority of people on the show have been written like idiots for the past three seasons. Carl isn't alone in that.

Killing a character just to say, "See? We can kill important characters!" is bad writing. And while it might impact the story in a meaningful way, I think it hurts the show. The newer characters are not as good as the older characters. We already lost two characters that brought a lot of humor and heart to the show thanks to Negan. We're losing Morgan. We just lost Carl.

There aren't many characters left that I care about outside of Rick and Daryl.

(And that's ignoring the fact that we might lose Maggie soon. And if we're honest with ourselves, Danai is likely not too long for this show either given recent history-making events.)
 

Voytek

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,818
Based on the final shot of last night's episode I'm betting

They actually kill Rick at the end of this season, they wrap this show up with 1 or 2 more seasons, and transition over to "Fear" being their main show

Just from a business standpoint it makes no sense for AMC to do that. Walking Dead is still their cash cow and it's viewership is still way higher than that of Fear.
 
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Elandyll

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,829
Frankly I'm sick and tired of the same location . In the middle of Forrest area . How near a desert or next to the ocean or some form or downtown area
Don't worry, we're going back to Trashland in the next episode.

As for Rick's last scene... It seemed his whole right arm was drenched in blood, but not much elese (with that much blood, you'd imagine his whole shirt would be soaked if it was his). I mean that was a lot of blood covering his arm...
Almost like he had reached in someone's guts Morgan style.

Edit: Andrew Lincoln has already been signed for a 9th season according to THR, but of course Gimple plays coy, just saying "you shouldn't play the "Rick's dying" angle too hard". No answers until towards the end of the season of course.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...ding-explained-scott-gimple-interview-1088251
 
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ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Don't eorry, e're going back to Trashland in the next episode.

As for Rick's last scene... It seemed his whole right arm was drenched in blood, but not much elese (with that much blood, you'd imagine his whole shirt would be soaked if it was his). I mean that was a lot of blood covering his arm...
Almost like he had reached in someone's guts Morgan style.

Someone on Twitter pointed out that his right leg seems to be broken and it certainly looks to be.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,747
I'm looking at a screenshot of it now, and it looks to me like he's pale from blood loss and shot in the side. I'm not seeing a broken leg though.

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ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
I'm looking at a screenshot of it now, and it looks to me like he's pale from blood loss and shot in the side. I'm not seeing a broken leg though.

bae27d100ae001700057b9cfec91a516de5a1301.png

Lower half of the right leg looks awkwardly bent. Under the knee. Speculation with comic spoilers below:

Negan snaps his right leg in the comics. This is likely the aftermath of their final brawl, in which he spares Negan's life after cutting his throat.
 

Zaph

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,108
Lower half of the right leg looks awkwardly bent. Under the knee. Speculation with comic spoilers below:

Negan snaps his right leg in the comics. This is likely the aftermath of their final brawl, in which he spares Negan's life after cutting his throat.
I'd say this
is their take on Rick getting shot with Dwight's crossbowbelived to be dipped in Walker blood, so he thinks he's dying.
 

Korigama

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,527
It was in the same season. Noah died five episodes after Tyreese.
Wow, I had completely forgotten that all of that had happened in the same season (I had thought I remembered it being one season after Beth and the same as Tyreese, when the duration was that mid-season break after her I did recall instead). Even more of a waste, then.
 

Daitokuji

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,602
They won't kill Rick. It's doing poor critically and ratings are way down from their peaks, they're still relatively high for a cable show. They will milk this thing until it's bone dry. The execs have said they expect Walking Dead to be a major franchise that lasts decades so as long as they can make a buck from it, it'll stick around.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,198
Everything involving Carl was fantastic. Andrew, Danai and Chandler all put in top tier performances.

But if any episode was going to leave out cast members, this was the one to do it. Going back and forth between the Carl story and Morgan story was terrible. What made it worse was the fact that the Morgan plot had unintentionally funny moments. The little kid stabbing Gavin through the neck was terrible and dumb. The stealth involved, the perfect stab through the neck despite being much shorter, the way it was shot. Awful.

And then it's back to fantastic acting and an emotional goodbye.

Even when the show has the absolute perfect set up for a home run, they somehow manage to botch it somehow. It needed to be a regular length episode and it should have focused on the events at Alexandria alone.

But aside from that, I think this was a bad decision. I am running out of characters that I care about. And soon, we'll be losing Morgan. Potentially Maggie. And I'll no longer get to see one of my most wanted arcs from the comics now that Carl is gone.

This was a good episode. But it could have been amazing, maybe a top 5 episode in the series. The pacing was poor, the back and forth was awkward, the flash forward reveal was a complete cop out.

And I do not feel good about the future.
100% agree the pacing and especially the long winded shitty dialogue has been a plague on the series since probably season six...they include about 20 mintues of story in a hour long episode. Every scene is over done in length and the dialogue is writen so badly.. i miss seasons 1-5 3 was alittle shitty because of the governer... It was an ok ep but the long as winded death scene which was the whole ep was annoying i mean i understand it but damn is every single character that's been on the show for a long time going to get an hour long death scene, but i never even liked caaaarrrrooul lol he wasnt a good actor at all.. and im glad hes not around anymore.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,198
Don't worry, we're going back to Trashland in the next episode.

As for Rick's last scene... It seemed his whole right arm was drenched in blood, but not much elese (with that much blood, you'd imagine his whole shirt would be soaked if it was his). I mean that was a lot of blood covering his arm...
Almost like he had reached in someone's guts Morgan style.

Edit: Andrew Lincoln has already been signed for a 9th season according to THR, but of course Gimple plays coy, just saying "you shouldn't play the "Rick's dying" angle too hard". No answers until towards the end of the season of course.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...ding-explained-scott-gimple-interview-1088251
good for him lol andrew be gettin that money.. :p id definitely not want to watch the show anymore if he died
Rick might be dying soon as well...

Last shot showed him bleeding beside a tree. I really dont get why they would wanna tease him dying just seconds after killing his son.

He either got bit or shot through the stomach.
yeah I mentioned it in my first post yesterday after watching the show it looks like he was shot not bitten they didn't even talk about it on the talking dead at all. i'm pretty sure that particular scene were the close-up of his eyes was in the first half of the season too so this isnt the first time it was foreshadowed...
rick is over level100 soo he'll be all right :p
 
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ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Never laughed so hard at a *PEW* before.

Okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it sounded strange.

A moment like that would probably work better with an actual normal gun shot rather than a silent "pew." It was weird as the camera was far outside and the viewer heard the sound effect louder than actually made sense.



This is one of my favorite scenes in 13 years of Supernatural. Works a lot better.
 
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GMM

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,484
Okay episode for the most part, but they dragged it out way too long, people came into this episode knowing the outcome, it was unnecessary filler that repeated itself too much. I do hope they wrap the whole negan thing next season at the latest, it's going nowhere interesting at this point.

Also, that gunshot was hilariously poorly done, they could have done that much better.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,784
So uh... did anyone notice Carl's eyepatch was on the wrong eye like immediately after a seen we saw it on the correct eye?

That's about the most interesting thing I can say about this episode. When this arc is done, I'm dropping this.
 

Parch

Member
Nov 6, 2017
7,980
He did more acting in this episode than he ever did on the show.
It took a few years but the kid finally learned how to act enough to pull off his death scene.
It was a good episode. Everybody knew they'd make a big deal out of it so the final result was pretty good.
Now it's probably back to Negan being a douche for the rest of the season. *groan* They need to wrap up this story asap. The show has already lost a ton of viewers so as soon and they end this crap season the sooner they can start trying to salvage the show.
 

Casa

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,557
The song in the beggining of the episode during the Carl montage made me mute my TV. Unbelievably awful.
 

yado

Member
Oct 25, 2017
477
It makes no sense for people to make Morgan feel guilty for killing in the middle of a war, especially since these are people who are killers themselves. Why is this storyline a thing?
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
Their montage songs are the fucking worst I've seen for a popular piece of entertainment. Tone killing. They go on for way too long every time.

And it's weird, it feels like the Rick/Michonne/Carl scenes are from another show.. a slightly better, more competent one.

So glad they finally killed that Negan goon though, that guy is terrible and got way too much screen time.

I hope the death of Carl changes the show but I kinda have a feeling we're just gunna run through the same Negan motions all over again.
 

riotous

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,351
Seattle
It makes no sense for people to make Morgan feel guilty for killing in the middle of a war, especially since these are people who are killers themselves. Why is this storyline a thing?
75% of this show is people going from ruthless killers to pacifists and back again while people argue with them about whether they should or shouldn't kill.
 

UberTag

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
15,376
Kitchener, ON
It took a few years but the kid finally learned how to act enough to pull off his death scene.
It was a good episode. Everybody knew they'd make a big deal out of it so the final result was pretty good.
Now it's probably back to Negan being a douche for the rest of the season. *groan* They need to wrap up this story asap. The show has already lost a ton of viewers so as soon and they end this crap season the sooner they can start trying to salvage the show.
Negan's story will never be wrapped up. They will keep going back to that well of making him look strong until he finally wins the big one at Wrestlemania and we respect him.
Oh wait a second... I got him confused with Roman Reigns there. My bad.
 

Nameless

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,368
See a group of enemies you can easily sneak by...go out of your way to kill them anyway.

Me and Morgan share the same play style in stealth games.
 
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Maven

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,076
Earth
I certainly didn't hate Carl. The majority of people on the show have been written like idiots for the past three seasons. Carl isn't alone in that.

Killing a character just to say, "See? We can kill important characters!" is bad writing. And while it might impact the story in a meaningful way, I think it hurts the show. The newer characters are not as good as the older characters. We already lost two characters that brought a lot of humor and heart to the show thanks to Negan. We're losing Morgan. We just lost Carl.

There aren't many characters left that I care about outside of Rick and Daryl.

(And that's ignoring the fact that we might lose Maggie soon. And if we're honest with ourselves, Danai is likely not too long for this show either given recent history-making events.)

That's the problem with the show. They're not replacing the characters that they kill off
 

-Pyromaniac-

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,379
Yeah I'm also interested in seeing how we get to the scene with Rick bloody leaning on the tree. I do think it's related to something Carl said.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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I quite enjoyed tonights episode. It was a really sombre affair with Carl, Rick and Michone all knocking their performances out the park and I could even put up with the silliness of Morgan and Carol. I do hope Morgan snaps out of it pretty quickly though, the one niggle I have with the show are the about turns everyone has from going from killer to remorseful to killer and so on and so on.
 

Casa

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,557
I'll just never be able to get over how this show portrays all the weapons. Even after all these years it's something that they can't get to look realistic. You regularly see people sweeping their automatic weapons back and forth as though it's a water hose. Why is it so difficult for the show runners to get that stuff right? And it's even more eye rolling with melee weapons. The ease with which characters can penetrate skulls makes me laugh every time. Morgan gently thrusts his moderately sharp stick and kills dudes. People are constantly thrusting blunt objects through skulls.

I mean c'mon. I know it's a a show about friggin' zombies but at least try to make shit look good.