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GreenMamba

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,340
Donkey Kong characters? Oh, you mean three more versions of the DK jungle theme song. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty more songs ripped directly from Metroid Other M and like six new Fire Emblem characters though.

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Anyway, just happy to have Smash hype back.

The official site is up now; for further evidence that it's a completely new game, the site is completely different from Smash 3DS/Wii U's (which can still be accessed at the very bottom right, just like how you can still access the DOJO from Smash 3DS/Wii U's site). The quick smash logo that appears when the trailer loads up is a neat effect.

EDIT: For serious though, I really hope this iteration doesn't treat DK and Metroid like red headed stepchildren like 4 did.
 

Vito

One Winged Slayer - Formerly Undead Fantasy
Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,126
Really fucking nervous about Mewtwo and Cloud's chances.
 

PK Gaming

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,331
If literally any single character is cut from Smash 4/5 + DLC, I will eat hats, pants, and sweater vests all stir-fried together and topped with socks.

Especially Ike and Bayonetta.

I just can't see Bayonetta getting cut, not with Nintendo propping up Bayo 3.

Did ya'll miss the biting sarcasm and sheer malice in my post? I'm taking the piss out of people who genuinely hold this opinion, lol.

Donkey Kong characters? Oh, you mean three more versions of the DK jungle theme song. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty more songs ripped directly from Metroid Other M and like six new Fire Emblem characters though.

----

Anyway, just happy to have Smash hype back.

The official site is up now; for further evidence that it's a completely new game, the site is completely different from Smash 3DS/Wii U's (which can still be accessed at the very bottom right, just like how you can still access the DOJO from Smash 3DS/Wii U's site). The quick smash logo that appears when the trailer loads up is a neat effect.

EDIT: For serious though, I really hope this iteration doesn't treat DK and Metroid like red headed stepchildren like 4 did.

See, Mamba gets it.
 

GiantBreadbug

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,992
Did ya'll miss the biting sarcasm and sheer malice in my post? I'm taking the piss out of people who genuinely hold this opinion, lol.

My sarcasm detector has always been kinda bad haha.

Also I just made this hope I'm not late

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Ondor

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,250
Donkey Kong characters? Oh, you mean three more versions of the DK jungle theme song. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty more songs ripped directly from Metroid Other M and like six new Fire Emblem characters though.

----

Anyway, just happy to have Smash hype back.

The official site is up now; for further evidence that it's a completely new game, the site is completely different from Smash 3DS/Wii U's (which can still be accessed at the very bottom right, just like how you can still access the DOJO from Smash 3DS/Wii U's site). The quick smash logo that appears when the trailer loads up is a neat effect.

EDIT: For serious though, I really hope this iteration doesn't treat DK and Metroid like red headed stepchildren like 4 did.
I'm all in on Lord Fredrik.
 

PK Gaming

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,331
But really cut Corrin though. The December 2015 Smash Direct opening still has me bothered.

I don't think cutting one of the more popular FE characters (who happens to have a fucking killer moveset) is a good idea

Tbh, cutting characters is such a weak concept to lean on to begin with. It's not going to make room for your irrelevant character.
 

GreenMamba

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,340
Corrin's got a dull as hell moveset, I dunno what everyone was trying to convince themselves of when he was first revealed and released. Plus a boring character design that does little to differentiate itself from the plethora of FE characters already in Smash and no noteworthy personality to speak of (which is actually an upgrade from their personality from Fates, heyooo), on top of being the sixth Fire Emblem character, which, despite the fact that everyone's gotten used to that fact at this point, is still ridiculous. I'm joking with the constant calls for straight up cutting but there's nothing that will ever convince me that Corrin was anything but a misstep character choice wise.
 
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MrSaturn99

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,497
I live in a giant bucket.
man if this really is a new game, that means cuts are probably inevitable

please leave lucas alone

Donkey Kong characters? Oh, you mean three more versions of the DK jungle theme song. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty more songs ripped directly from Metroid Other M and like six new Fire Emblem characters though.

----

Anyway, just happy to have Smash hype back.

The official site is up now; for further evidence that it's a completely new game, the site is completely different from Smash 3DS/Wii U's (which can still be accessed at the very bottom right, just like how you can still access the DOJO from Smash 3DS/Wii U's site). The quick smash logo that appears when the trailer loads up is a neat effect.

EDIT: For serious though, I really hope this iteration doesn't treat DK and Metroid like red headed stepchildren like 4 did.

Metroid had a decent amount of new content in Smash 4, it's just that most of it came from a game no one liked. Now with Samus Returns front and center (and who knows, maybe MP4), I think it'll be properly repped here.

Anyway, watch DK get six characters and suddenly Sakurai gets accused of DK bias, lol. (But really, I expect Dixie this time around)
 

PK Gaming

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,331
Corrin's got a dull as hell moveset, I dunno what everyone was trying to convince themselves of when he was first revealed and released. Plus a boring character design that does little to differentiate itself from the plethora of FE characters already in Smash and no noteworthy personality to speak of (which is actually an upgrade from their personality from Fates, heyooo), on top of being the sixth Fire Emblem character, which despite the fact that everyone's gotten used to that fact at this point is still ridiculous. I'm joking with the constant calls for straight up cutting but there's nothing that will ever convince me that Corrin was anything but a misstep character choice wise.

Nah, actually.

Miss me with that "dull moveset" nonsense. She's a sword character with frame data that isn't complete garbage, specials that amount to more than just a shitty thrust or crappy fire attack, and actual design put into her overall moveset, in a way where everything flows together (she's a dominant zoner with mobility and recovery issues). Not to mention the fact that she has genuine combos, and two of some of the most dynamic and flexible B moves in the game. Her only shortcoming is her down B which is hot garbage, but whatever, that's an FE staple. And do you really want to talk about personality in a game where characters are routinely stripped of it? Like this is a game where characters like Samus say "your mine" while twirling around like an idiot. Ike and Lucina are so poorly conveyed with dialogue that's so poorly translated they're turned into caricatures. Robin says "let's tip the scales" for fuck sakes. Smash mostly sucks at conveying character, lol.

Anyway, there's nothing that can convince you because you're straight up biased. And hey, I get it. If we were in some awful universe where FE was on the brink of death while Metroid/DK was thriving, and they added 10000 Metroid/DK characters, i'd be right there on the ground floor thrashing whatever lame character they added next. But you can't actually give a reasoned, measured response as to why the character doesn't work because it's so patently obvious the latter DLC characters are better designed than the older cast. And Corrin is almost inarguably up there, as far as sword swing goes.
 

GreenMamba

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,340
Nah, actually.

Miss me with that "dull moveset" nonsense. She's a sword character with frame data that isn't complete garbage, specials that amount to more than just a shitty thrust or crappy fire attack, and actual design put into her overall moveset, in a way where everything flows together (she's a dominant zoner with mobility and recovery issues). Not to mention the fact that she has genuine combos, and two of some of the most dynamic and flexible B moves in the game. Her only shortcoming is her down B which is hot garbage, but whatever, that's an FE staple. And do you really want to talk about personality in a game where characters are routinely stripped of it? Like this is a game where characters like Samus say "your mine" while twirling around like an idiot. Ike and Lucina are so poorly conveyed with dialogue that's so poorly translated they're turned into caricatures. Robin says "let's tip the scales" for fuck sakes. Smash mostly sucks at conveying character, lol.

Anyway, there's nothing that can convince you because you're straight up biased. And hey, I get it. If we were in some awful universe where FE was on the brink of death while Metroid/DK was thriving, and they added 10000 Metroid/DK characters, i'd be right there on the ground floor thrashing whatever lame character they added next. But you can't actually give a reasoned, measured response as to why the character doesn't work because it's so patently obvious the latter DLC characters are better designed than the older cast. And Corrin is almost inarguably up there, as far as sword swing goes.
I'm not going to deny that I have my own biases but come on PK, that level of overselling Corrin's moveset comes from your own inherent bias, be honest here.
 

MrSaturn99

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,497
I live in a giant bucket.
Soooo this was brought up in the announcement thread:



I think that settles it.

Pretty goddamn crazy it's probably gonna be a new game. Smash 4 feels like it came out yesterday.

Edit: or maybe not

This is a good point but when I tried looking up Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for comparison, it only had 2017 listed so I'm not sure if it's a guarantee.

Doesn't seem to work with name changes like Mario Kart Deluxe and Pokken Tournameny DX on Switch. Both show 2017 for me.
 
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PK Gaming

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,331
I'm not going to deny that I'm biased but come on PK, that level of overselling Corrin's moveset comes from your own inherent bias, be honest here.

Perhaps, but it's not as big of a factor as you think.

I basically killed myself to make a (now extremely outdated) Corrin guide, and I spent hours pouring over her frame data, combos and matchups, (in addition to consulting with Cosmo) and I eventually noticed just how much better designed she was compared to similar characters of her archetype. She has moves that actually... work. Smash 4 is filled with characters with baffling design decisions (Roy) and poorly programmed moves (Samus), but it's clear that they tried with her. There was an end goal here: Tilts are combo tools. Aerials and Smash Attacks control space. Jab works as a quick get off me tool, etc. Almost every single one of her moves serves a purpose, and she has clear strengths and weaknesses, which isn't something you can attribute to most Smash characters. The pre-DLC characters have moves that are almost arbitrary, so you have trash like Sheik and Diddy with their assortment of gamebreaking moves that very clearly take away from the game, and trash like Jigglypuff and Zelda with their own assortment of useless moves that make them unviable.

Like, I don't think she's top class or anything. Her Side-B is a bit overtuned, and her damage output is disgusting, but she's nowhere near badly designed as a character.

EDITS: Fates nerds will note how much detail was put into the character (she has like 1000 references)

Meanwhile Ganondorf is still a meme
 
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Vito

One Winged Slayer - Formerly Undead Fantasy
Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,126
Yeah, I'm not fan of seeing characters getting cut so I hope that Sakurai would pull a miracle this time.
I just can't see Mewtwo getting in.

- Pikachu
- Jiggs
- Charizard
- Lucario
- Greninja
- Gen 7/8 rep

I can't see them putting 7 Pokemon reps in the base roster.
 

Ondor

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,250
I just can't see Mewtwo getting in.

- Pikachu
- Jiggs
- Charizard
- Lucario
- Greninja
- Gen 7/8 rep

I can't see them putting 7 Pokemon reps in the base roster.
This is why I'm okay with cutting some characters. Lucario is my main but if cutting him means a new experience for me and a chance for others to get a pokemon they love in, I'm all for it. He'll still be my favourite pokemon thanks to Smash.
 

Geno

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 29, 2017
9,812
Thessaloniki
Really glad it's a new game and not a port, although because it is coming in 2018 I don't see us getting Pic of the Day again unfortunately.
 

Golnei

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,823
EDIT: For serious though, I really hope this iteration doesn't treat DK and Metroid like red headed stepchildren like 4 did.

At the very least, I hope there might be a chance for some of the more noteworthy Tropical Freeze tracks to make it in; since it's being kept 'current' with the port.
 

Smashwidget

Member
Jan 3, 2018
843
Donkey Kong characters? Oh, you mean three more versions of the DK jungle theme song. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty more songs ripped directly from Metroid Other M and like six new Fire Emblem characters though.

----

Anyway, just happy to have Smash hype back.

The official site is up now; for further evidence that it's a completely new game, the site is completely different from Smash 3DS/Wii U's (which can still be accessed at the very bottom right, just like how you can still access the DOJO from Smash 3DS/Wii U's site). The quick smash logo that appears when the trailer loads up is a neat effect.

EDIT: For serious though, I really hope this iteration doesn't treat DK and Metroid like red headed stepchildren like 4 did.
I'm like 2000% sure Sylux is getting in
 

Golnei

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,823
I'm like 2000% sure Sylux is getting in

I wouldn't be so sure - Prime 4's not coming out until 2022; and even then, he's still a Metroid Prime character. The series has all it really needs character-wise, and it's well-represented in terms of assist trophies as well.

I wonder if it'll justify a new stage in this game, or be in F-Zero (Wii U)'s situation - Samus Returns doesn't exactly provide the best base for assets to use in a HD game (although they could still make it work if they wanted to), and an entirely new stage might be difficult when that work could be better used elsewhere. Maybe a retro sprite based one like 3DS Mute City, if anything?
 

PK Gaming

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,331
I just can't see Mewtwo getting in.

- Pikachu
- Jiggs
- Charizard
- Lucario
- Greninja
- Gen 7/8 rep

I can't see them putting 7 Pokemon reps in the base roster.

I thought this dumb meme died already.

We don't know if this is an enhanced port or full on sequel (it's likely the former), but regardless, they're sure as shit not going to drop Mewtwo to achieve some arbitrary roster threshold. Especially when Mewtwo already has a readily available moveset.

Don't expect Mewtwo to get cut. Don't expect anyone to get cut. There's absolutely 0 reason for it.

I'm like 2000% sure Sylux is getting in

Who?
 

Finale Fireworker

Love each other or die trying.
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,714
United States
Cuts are always the most painful part of the Super Smash Bros hype cycle. As exciting as it is to see new characters confirmed, it's also a relief to see old ones returning. There are a lot of old friends in these games. Waiting for the confirmation one of your underdog favorites still has their ticket can be stressful.
 

TheDinoman

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,100
Don't expect Mewtwo to get cut. Don't expect anyone to get cut. There's absolutely 0 reason for it.

The thing about that is...that's the same mentality I had going into Smash 4. Prior to the April 2014 Direct, I thought that everyone in Brawl had their place in Smash and there would be no cuts, especially since Smash 4 was seemingly reusing a lot of assets from Brawl....and then we lost four fully unique characters and two semi-clones (one of which came back later, at least).
 
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Village

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,811
This is why I'm okay with cutting some characters. Lucario is my main but if cutting him means a new experience for me and a chance for others to get a pokemon they love in, I'm all for it. He'll still be my favourite pokemon thanks to Smash.
One, they ain't cutting lucario
Two, nah you alone on that. I want lucario, you wanna cut folks, maybe jiggs doesn't have to come back.
 

ned_ballad

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
48,262
Rochester, New York
Cuts are always the most painful part of the Super Smash Bros hype cycle. As exciting as it is to see new characters confirmed, it's also a relief to see old ones returning. There are a lot of old friends in these games. Waiting for the confirmation one of your underdog favorites still has their ticket can be stressful.
It's just a shame some of my favorites will likely be some of the last confirmed, if they even get confirmed at all before release

Doc, Roy, Mewtwo, Toon Link, Ike, Charizard

Always a struggle hoping they come back. I think Toon Link, Ike and Charizard should be fine, I worry about the returning Melee vets, since 2/3 of them were DLC and one is a clone that's seen as kinda boring by a lot of people.

I would have breathed a lot easier seeing a very obvious outline of Mewtwo in the teaser.
 

Finale Fireworker

Love each other or die trying.
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,714
United States
Someone mentioned in the other thread (I had both open, and got the threads confused, because I am a fool) that there is a Discord for the Smash community. Is there a SmashEra Discord? Would I be welcome?

EDIT: Got it!
 
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TeamLeftMatch

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,683
Someone mentioned in the other thread (I had both open, and got the threads confused, because I am a fool) that there is a Discord for the Smash community. Is there a SmashEra Discord? Would I be welcome?

EDIT: Got it!

Actually could I get that invite as well. I swear I will annoy you with how Custom Robo needs to be in the game .

Edit: Thanks Finale Fireworker
 
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PK Gaming

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,331
The thing about that is...that's the same mentality I had going into Brawl. Prior to the April 2014 Direct, I thought that everyone in Brawl had their place in Smash and there would be no cuts, especially since Smash 4 was seemingly reusing a lot of assets from Brawl....and then we lost four fully unique characters and two semi-clones (one of which came back later, at least).

Brawl was a rushed game with a roster that was decided very early into its development time. It's not really the same situation. Also, consider the following:

-We lost Snake due to Konami
-Wolf had the most incomplete moveset in Brawl, and bringing him over into Smash 4 would require more effort
-Ice Climbers were cut due to the 3DS
-Lucas was cut (the only "complete" character that was cut, and he was eventually re-added)
-Squirtle & Ivysaur were cut due to originally being tied to the Pokémon trainer concept.

Every character that was cut from Brawl (barring Lucas) had caveats to them. So irrational worries about characters who are very much complete getting cut is completely pointless imo. Especially when it borders on transparent wishful thinking (sorry haters, Bayonetta isn't going anywhere)

Cuts are always the most painful part of the Super Smash Bros hype cycle. As exciting as it is to see new characters confirmed, it's also a relief to see old ones returning. There are a lot of old friends in these games. Waiting for the confirmation one of your underdog favorites still has their ticket can be stressful.

It's not really worth getting stressed about this time around. Like there's an 99% chance your fav character is returning.
 

TheDinoman

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,100
Good points but I just wanted to say that I meant to say "the same mentality I had going into Smash 4", not Brawl lol.
 

jorgejjvr

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
8,423
I'm going to use this opportunity, to say that I am down to play smash on wii u later tonight, and would love to play with as many of you as possible.

ID: jorgejjvr

There is also a smash era discord, that I highly recommend. Let's get our practice down before the game comes out!
 

tonyh24613

Member
Oct 25, 2017
684
I just had a nightmare that Moray Tower will be the Splatoon stage, if so I will play that stage more in Smash than Splatoon.
 

jorgejjvr

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
8,423
PM me for the smash era discord

Also, I'll be playing tonight at around 8:00 PM EST

ID: jorgejjvr
 
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Sharkarat

Member
Oct 27, 2017
61
Norway
Like there no chance Bayonetta is cut unless Sonic also is.
She won the Ballot (1st in Europe, in the top 5 in America) and they're already dealing with Sega because of Sonic.
 

Gartooth

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,440
Cross-posting this from the other thread and curious what all your thoughts are on this.

One of the factors in how Sakurai decided the roster of Brawl and Smash 4 was by looking at games Nintendo had released in the gap since the previous Smash game.

Below are Nintendo's major software releases between 2013 (When Smash 4's roster was finalized) and 2017. The games crossed off are already featured in Smash 4 and Smash Switch. I bolded games that I think have strong character potential for a new fighter.

3DS:
Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon
The Legend of Zelda a Link Between Worlds
Pokemon X & Y
Pokemon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire
Yoshi's New Island
Kirby Triple Deluxe
Mario Golf World Tour
Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.
Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D
Xenoblade Chronicles 3D
Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer
Chibi Robo: Zip Lash
The Legend of Zelda: Triforce Heroes
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
Fire Emblem Fates
Kirby Planet Robobot
Metroid Prime: Federation Force
Mario Party: Star Rush
Pokemon Sun & Pokemon Moon
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadow of Valentia
Metroid: Samus Returns
Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions
Pokemon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon

Wii U:
Game & Wario
Pikmin 3
Super Mario 3D World
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Mario Kart 8
Yoshi's Woolly World
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
Bayonetta 2
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse
Mario Party 10
Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Splatoon
Super Mario Maker
Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD
Star Fox Zero + Star Fox Guard
Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE
Paper Mario Color Splash
Pokken Tournament

Switch:
1 - 2 Switch
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (also on Wii U)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
ARMS
Splatoon 2
Fire Emblem Warriors
Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle
Pokken Tournament DX
Super Mario Odyssey
Xenoblade Chronicles 2
 
Nov 17, 2017
12,864
Corrin's got a dull as hell moveset, I dunno what everyone was trying to convince themselves of when he was first revealed and released. Plus a boring character design that does little to differentiate itself from the plethora of FE characters already in Smash and no noteworthy personality to speak of (which is actually an upgrade from their personality from Fates, heyooo), on top of being the sixth Fire Emblem character, which, despite the fact that everyone's gotten used to that fact at this point, is still ridiculous. I'm joking with the constant calls for straight up cutting but there's nothing that will ever convince me that Corrin was anything but a misstep character choice wise.
I didn't like that Corrin was added but I gotta admit his/her gameplay was actually really fun. I liked their side b where they could stab into the ground or pin a character and then do a number of things from that position.
 

Twig

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,486
ALL I WANT is for them to bring back Pichu.

I DON'T CARE that no one else likes him. I DO ! ! ! !

Also I'm as sick of FE characters as anyone, but Corrin's actually unique as hell. If any FE characters gotta get cut, Lucina's first on the list. Marth second.

Also don't cut Robin. They're cool too.
 

HockeyBird

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,603
I do love Smash hype. People anticipating new characters while nervously waiting for their favorite veterans to be confirmed.
 

Thores

Member
Oct 25, 2017
502
So when Smash Switch got announced yesterday, I was leaning towards this being a Smash 4.5 and therefore kind of lukewarm about it.

In less than 24 hours I've gotten so hyped, and so convinced there's going to be a lot of new content, that I've decided I'm going to do a podcast where I predict the roster.

I got 2nd place in the Smash 4 prediction contest on the old forum, and I've been hosting a different podcast for about half a year now. So I think it'd be really fun to do a project where, every episode, I cover 1-3 franchises represented in Smash and talk about what new things from those franchises could be in the next game. So I'd do a Super Mario Bros episode where I'd talk about how likely/unlikely Captain Toad, Paper Mario, and other candidates are, and whether we'll see a New Donk City stage. A Space Bounty Hunter episode where I predict what new Star Fox, Metroid, and F-Zero stuff will be in the game. And so on.

I'd also be really interested in taking predictions from members of this community and discussing them on the podcast! Does that sound like something that any of you would be interested in?