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Man who taught dog Nazi salute found guilty of hate crime
- Thread starter EightBitNate
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Glad I don't live in the UK where you can be jailed for speaking.
Shame some of you don't care simply because what he did was offensive.
How in the world do you find blatant censorship, specially in regards to such a trivial thing, beautiful?
Shame some of you don't care simply because what he did was offensive.
How in the world do you find blatant censorship, specially in regards to such a trivial thing, beautiful?
Not even worth making jokes anymore, might go to jail. Inb4 someone gets 12 months for telling an extremely offensive blonde joke.
Now that's what I call a waste of taxpayer money, very impressive UK.
I guess that would depend on how you view the prison service/overcrowding and other historical issues with countries using prisons as a quick way to just deal with everything.
There are already social ramifications for uploading a video like this as a "YouTube comedian" versus an actual standup comedian or being part of Monty Python. As I said, good luck getting a job if you go viral. In terms of sentencing someone to go to jail, even if you are an idiotic YouTuber vs being John Cleese, context and intent should still matter in a court of law.
You guys, America most definitely has limits to hate speech. I can guarantee you if I were to become a practicing Muslim again, and take all the speech and content from alt/far-right "content creators" and simply substitute the many calls for ethnic cleansing of black and other PoC with white people, and that ISIS isn't so bad. I would be swooped up pretty quickly. And vast majority of "freedom of speech" professing zealots wouldn't say shit in support of me.
11% versus President of your country be a racist POS who has Steph Bannon and Miller in his cabinet, not to mention an entire political party that's racist as thee fuck and have been since the 60s. And let's not act like America's entire fucking mantra isn't "if we don't talk about it, it'll go away". It's been America's ideology on racial issues since slavery ended.
11% versus President of your country be a racist POS who has Steph Bannon and Miller in his cabinet, not to mention an entire political party that's racist as thee fuck and have been since the 60s. And let's not act like America's entire fucking mantra isn't "if we don't talk about it, it'll go away". It's been America's ideology on racial issues since slavery ended.
I mean this guy seems like a real tool, but this seems like incredibly punitive punishment. Doesn't sound a great president to set imo.
Prisons aren't being overcrowded with Nazis convicted for hate speech.
Didn't he take the piss out of one trans person? And that trans person was guilty of killing someone through negligent driving, which the joke was about?
and no one would have a problem with it
but we must protect nazis or something
See my edit
There are already social ramifications for uploading a video like this as a "YouTube comedian" versus an actual standup comedian or being part of Monty Python. As I said, good luck getting a job if you go viral. In terms of sentencing someone to go to jail, even if you are an idiotic YouTuber vs being John Cleese, context and intent should still matter in a court of law.
I've followed this case from when it went viral in this country, the guy isn't a Nazi, just an asshole. Well, he used to be a self-declared communist...
I mean, isn't it a problem if the only way you can think of making people laugh is to offend someone?
have to agree, really depressing.
Fuck this guy, glad he's being charged.
I doubt you'd go to jail. Get on a watch list and probably interviwedi by the FBI or something sure.
If they are actually lessening anything there is some kind of huge problem that generates far more bigots for some reason.
To what groups? Brexit is exactly the same level as shit as Trump. It's why you got Farage hanging off Trumps ass.
I think the bigger problem is people getting offended over... Well... nothing? He didn't target anyone. If he said "X Person is a jew and we should gas them" then yeah, I'd understand, but to make a stupid statement isn't going to kill anyone.
I mean who are you comparing them to? What country region etc do you consider to have a normal amount of bigots.
No he did a stand up taking the piss out of dead naming. Making fun of trans people that get offended
The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) states that "any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law"
I don't need to rethink anything. It's right there in front of me. He's not advocating anything. He's not inciting anything. And he's not discriminating anyone. He's definitely not being hostile. He's also not being violent. He made a stupid joke, and the only thing he's guilty of is weird humour.
Like I said earlier in the thread, he linked to his friends on twitter when they were trying to get people they thought might be illegal reported to ICE, so he has no problem trying to hurt others.
I'll have to do some more research on this later.
For now, I'm a little bit conflicted. The video has all the characteristics of an out-and-out joke - one that isn't reliant on disparaging a vulnerable group, or some sort of racial animus, in order to amuse. If anything, the comedic juxtaposition of the horrors of Nazi Germany and an incredibly cute dog partially relies on the sentiment that the former are indeed horrible.
I'm curious how the UK defines hate speech, because I'm straining to interpret the above as such. Although I'm not sure the term 'hate speech' is even being used here?
For now, I'm a little bit conflicted. The video has all the characteristics of an out-and-out joke - one that isn't reliant on disparaging a vulnerable group, or some sort of racial animus, in order to amuse. If anything, the comedic juxtaposition of the horrors of Nazi Germany and an incredibly cute dog partially relies on the sentiment that the former are indeed horrible.
I'm curious how the UK defines hate speech, because I'm straining to interpret the above as such. Although I'm not sure the term 'hate speech' is even being used here?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...an-charged-over-alleged-killallwhitemen-tweet
Does no one remember Bahar Mustafa? She luckily had her charges dropped but remember to keep this in mind when it works against you... Did this racist guy really commit a hate crime with his video? We speak of overburdened prison populations and you want this guy arrested,charged and sentenced? Draconian government laws should always be challenged.
Granted he is a bad person, his views abhorrent, but he uploaded a video where he was taunting his gf and trained his pug to raise his paws saying Nazi stuff about jews.
But hey, if the people in the UK want this, that is their choice. You reap what you sow. Just remember when you give your government the power to regulate some speech, it can be all speech and it would just take the election of a certain group to outlaw something else you may stand for.
Does no one remember Bahar Mustafa? She luckily had her charges dropped but remember to keep this in mind when it works against you... Did this racist guy really commit a hate crime with his video? We speak of overburdened prison populations and you want this guy arrested,charged and sentenced? Draconian government laws should always be challenged.
Granted he is a bad person, his views abhorrent, but he uploaded a video where he was taunting his gf and trained his pug to raise his paws saying Nazi stuff about jews.
But hey, if the people in the UK want this, that is their choice. You reap what you sow. Just remember when you give your government the power to regulate some speech, it can be all speech and it would just take the election of a certain group to outlaw something else you may stand for.
He makes fun of everyone who gets offended. That's his whole boring schtick.
You have to be trolling right now? I guess Hitler and the Nazis really weren't doing anything wrong either since they weren't targeting specific Jews with their hate speech and propaganda huh?
The government of course, nothing can ever go wrong!
I hope the dog isn't sent to dog jail.
Still applies to this day. Using the 1940's anti-Semitic playbook is basically taking the literal nazi approach.Jean-Paul Sartre in 1946 said:
This case sets a precedent of tying hate speech to the 2003 communications act
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127
They've convicted him on
Which is very broad and pretty Orwellian. Hence why it's not really something used often. I can't remember if it was Labour behind this, or the Tories.
Normally hate speech charges get linked to incitement to violence or terrorist propaganda, or something of a credible threat which most people don't have much of an issue with. This case is a bit different as because as much as the guy is an asshole, potentially jailing someone for being offensive, when it is a joke (even if in poor taste), is worthwhile to at least be debated.
Because I love seeing people being reprimanded for their stupidity. Puts a smile on my face, like a beautiful could in the sky.