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Inugami

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So nothing too plot important? I'm kind of over townie episodes but I'm down for more Offcolors. I'll watch that one at least.
It's a recap FOR the offcolors. They each get maybe 3-4 lines before Garnet recaps the gem war from the perspective of the audience (IE nothing new).

You should watch the Garnet one. It doesn't have any lore, but it is by far the best episode... but yeah, absolutely everything was skippable IMO.
 

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It's a recap FOR the offcolors. They each get maybe 3-4 lines before Garnet recaps the gem war from the perspective of the audience (IE nothing new).

You should watch the Garnet one. It doesn't have any lore, but it is by far the best episode... but yeah, absolutely everything was skippable IMO.

Oh.

Well, IDK. I guess I should still watch them, but it seems kind of boring. I already skipped over a bunch of episodes from the last batch and only really tuned in for the Lars of the Stars episodes.
 
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I actually really loved these episodes. And I wrote a post a few pages back complaining about townie episodes and thinking they sucked! Well, truthfully, they often do. These ones were really fun and engaging. The ONLY thing that is kind of weird to me about this bunch is that it wasn't exactly clear to me that there was a clear chronological order between the episodes. That threw me off. And how does Stevonnie being lost in a jungle planet not elicit more of a response???
 

Yoshimitsu126

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I like these episodes. They are townies but they have the gems interact with them.

And Pearl always suggesting the improv crew to play Steven is adorable and hilarious as well as Peridot's rightful annoyance to it.

I actually really loved these episodes. And I wrote a post a few pages back complaining about townie episodes and thinking they sucked! Well, truthfully, they often do. These ones were really fun and engaging. The ONLY thing that is kind of weird to me about this bunch is that it wasn't exactly clear to me that there was a clear chronological order between the episodes. That threw me off. And how does Stevonnie being lost in a jungle planet not elicit more of a response???

Yeah kind of weird there isn't an episode where Connie and Steven talk about seeing Pink Diamond with the Crystal Gem crew. Hopefully they do it later even though Steven already talked to Garnett. But the possible foreshadowing that Steven felt Pink Diamond's presence during his dream flashback is intriguing.
 

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Personally, I loved these episodes. These were some of the best townie episodes in the series! I think it's great to see the gems finally having more interaction with the people of Beach City! Before, the gems and humans kept to their own worlds, now both are realizing that's just not possible anymore and they have to be involved with each other. I love that Dewey has found a new place for himself in town! Sweaterdot was adorable to see! Yeah, these episodes were not Diamond lore-centric(at least not heavily), but I think it's important to remember that Steven is human too. He's growing up, and he needs involvement in both gem and human worlds.
 

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So nothing too plot important? I'm kind of over townie episodes but I'm down for more Offcolors. I'll watch that one at least.
depends on what u mean important. the least important imo is sadie centric though but each one has some foreshadowing and im especially suspicious of the recap. once the *real* story is told i dont know how everyone is gonna handle it
 

vypek

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Dammit, right as I"m starting to get ready to go to sleep I remembered I didn't watch these episodes. I'll have to get the CN app quickly so I can watch this as soon as I can.
 

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Just got through all 4 episodes! The big show was a surpsing stand out as my favourite, extremely strong episode even tho it's not a gem focused one, it's just really enjoyable.
 
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If you have a cable provider you can also use that login to watch on the CN website
 

Kard8p3

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So wait wait wait, maybe I'm dumb for just now thinking of this, but,

What made Steven's mom's shield so unique, exactly? Was it confirmed that we saw ALL of the remaining Roses bubbled in the zoo? Or could it be possible there could be another Rose hiding on Earth?
 

TheOGB

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Sadie Killer and the Suspects deserve their success and I'm happy for them
Ronaldo deserves to hold those Ls
Garnet always has been and always will be The Best. "Being rich has made you weak."
I enjoyed townie episodes before and gem integration is great.
 
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Pearl with a cell phone is something I never knew I wanted until I got it.
 

KNZFive

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Pearl with a cell phone is something I never knew I wanted until I got it.
She's so proud of it too. She must have gotten to stay in touch with Mystery Girl. In The Big Show, we saw Mystery Girl in the background looking down at her hands and (we assume) at a phone. Then we see that Pearl got her first cellular phone two episodes later. I think we're definitely supposed to make that connection.

Pearl has evolved from an "overprotective and neurotic" mom into an "adorkably trying to be cool and hip" mom. I wouldn't be surprised if we see her trying to shoot selfies in a later episode while Amethyst gets second-hand embarrassed for her.
 
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Dusk Golem

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I liked the episodes and was expecting others to dislike them, but happy the overall opinion of them is more positive than I anticipated.

So last Season the biggest flaw was the townie episodes were just dull and kind of stagnant, some really good episodes happened last season but it felt like most of the rest of the season went back to Season 1 Steven Universe with the townie episodes.

This Season has finally, FINALLY fixed my issue with Season 4's problem with townie episodes. The actual writing feels like it's been stepped up for one so that helps, but the townie episodes now feel connected to a larger world, each other, connected to the Gems, and have fun dynamics and developments to their own little plethora of plotlines while telling entertaining enough stories. Previously townie episodes felt a lot more disconnected, there might be one or two connections but many felt rather self-contained. This season has made it so there's not only on-going plots with most of the supporting cast that's getting developed, but these plots are interconnecting nicely (as they should in a small town like Beach City), the characters aren't stuck simply being in episodes themed around the character but feel more part of a living, breathing world, and to top it off they're even starting to blend the line more between the humans and the gems.

While there were 'slow' episodes a lot of little interesting things happened, and I found them entertaining to watch. There also was small seeds planted which I suspect may have some pay-off later, but overall I hope the townie episodes continue more in this style. It's frankly leagues better than the Season 1/Season 4 styled Townie episodes.
 
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I gave all these episodes a second shot today, and I still feel that almost everyone of them besides "Your Mother and Mine" were incredibly lame.
Your typical townie/filler fluff.

Like who cares about Sadie's conflict with her mother? That character hasn't made a major appearance in over 60+ episodes, and instead of SHOWING us how overbearing she can be (like you should in a visual medium...) they opt to have Sadie vaguely tell us about it which makes it very hard to form any sort of meaningful connection to this incongruity between the two of them. So "The Big Show" just ends up becoming this episode with negligible stakes and Steven randomly filming people talking about trivial stuff while, in the back of their minds,the audience knows that much more interesting, exciting, and dangerous things are happening off screen.

Pool Hopping was also incredibly dull, and another instance of wasted potential in this series.
So you're telling me that episode starts off with Garnet randomly working at the Big Donut? Oooo, interesting start!
Also Garnet confesses to Steven that she's been feeling very inadequate as a leader because his string of bold decisions are evading her future vision? Oh man, I love it!
The only problem is...everything between those happenings is just plain boring. The two characters deliver some pizza in a super short visually uninteresting montage, and then go to Vidalia's garage to make a tired titanic joke...yawn. Why does the crewniverse often create these interesting premises and then choose to do the most boring things with them? Like...is their budget $5 or something? Do creative things, it's a cartoon with aliens and magic, you can do almost anything!

Outside of two admittedly funny/cute gags (Pearl's heckling at the improv show, Garnet overworking Greg on the tennis court), Letters to Lars was an absolute snoozefest. It was mainly centered around Mayor Dewey who I can't even pretend to care about, and I feel like they completely botched the interactions between the gems and townies. Pearl could've been replaced with a little old loopy woman with a funny voice who never had a cell phone before and the joke would still work...Peedee Fryman could've had the same argument about improv with Jamie that Peri had and nothing would be different.
What a bummer.


This show is starting to feel like someone haphazardly duct-taped Clarence and Hey Arnold to the original Star Wars trilogy, it feels so messy.
Maaaan, that half-hour special in May better be fuckin' amazing...

Edit: Also Kate Micucci is awesome but the crewniverse had her in waaaay over her head in that "G-g-g-ghost!" song, it was kind of cringey. :/
 
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MH MD

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ike who cares about Sadie's conflict with her mother? That character hasn't made a major appearance in over 60+ episodes, and instead of SHOWING us how overbearing she can be (like you should in a visual medium...) they opt to have Sadie vaguely tell us about it which makes it very hard to form any sort of meaningful connection to this incongruity between the two of them
They ALREADY showed that in a previous episode "Sadie's Song" that was dedicated to that,if anything, this episode shows that Sadie's mom learned how to truly restrain herself and not interfere with Sadie this time, if they showed it in this episode it would be just a rehash and show that what happened in "Sadie's Song" didn't have any consequences after all.
 
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They ALREADY showed that in a previous episode "Sadie's Song" that was dedicated to that,if anything, this episode shows that Sadie's mom learned how to truly restrain herself and not interfere with Sadie this time, if they showed it in this episode it would be just a rehash and show that what happened in "Sadie's Song" didn't have any consequences after all.

"Sadie's Song" and "The Big Show" are separated by 60+ episodes with multiple MAJOR story arcs- ranging from Peridot's redemption at the end of season 2 all the way to the Wanted/Trail arc in season 5- inbetween them, how in the world do you expect me to give a crap about that specific aspect of Sadie and Barb's narrative relationship when you've put it on hold for two years and it has had no noticeable impact on the most important happenings within the show??
What was supposed to be compelling about this?
 

Pluto

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Every time someone brings up the fact that Rose's sword couldn't have shattered pink diamond I'm like "And she couldn't have used a different sword because ...?"

Rose's sword being unable to damage a gem isn't evidence that Rose didn't do it, that thing wasn't glued to her hand, it wasn't even her summoned weapon, it's a material weapon Rose could use or not. Even the show treats it as a inconsitency when it's really not.
 

MH MD

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"Sadie's Song" and "The Big Show" are separated by 60+ episodes with multiple MAJOR story arcs- ranging from Peridot's redemption at the end of season 2 all the way to the Wanted/Trail arc in season 5- inbetween them, how in the world do you expect me to give a crap about that specific aspect of Sadie and Barb's narrative relationship when you've put it on hold for two years and it has had no noticeable impact on the most important happenings within the show??
What was supposed to be compelling about this?
The show loves to build on real old episodes no matter how much time have passed, in both lore episodes and townies episodes, i mean the entire finale of season 4 and why specific people got kidnapped was because some one little random scene in a random episode in season ONE , which was even more bizarre and ridiculous and got me real confused and not in a good way, at least with Sadie you got dedicated episodes about her and follow her story through the show so you can perhaps maybe remember something about her and can easily refer to her specific episodes, remembering that episode was easy because Sadie's mom had a huge role in it and didn't really appear much outside of it, so it's easy to compare her behavior between the episodes she appeared in .

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I find it funny how in "Sadie's Song" she just wanted to sing and said something about "not needing any gimmicks", look at her now!
 
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The show loves to build on real old episodes no matter how much time have passed, in both lore episodes and townies episodes, i mean the entire finale of season 4 and why specific people got kidnapped was because some one little random scene in a random episode in season ONE , which was even more bizarre and ridiculous and got me real confused and not in a good way, at least with Sadie you got dedicated episodes about her and follow her story through the show so you can perhaps maybe remember something about her and can easily refer to her specific episodes, remembering that episode was easy because Sadie's mom had a huge role in it and didn't really appear much outside of it, so it's easy to compare her behavior between the episodes she appeared in .
Marble madness wasn't some random episode though...it was an important plot-related story that further developed Steven's relationship with the crystal gems, filled us in a little more on the (at the time) mysterious Peridot's motives, and also kicked off the "Return/Jailbreak" arc that immediately lead to the broader "Homeworld Returns/Steven & the CGs Vs. Homeworld" plot that everybody cares about.
Like, if you didn't think that Steven's list of humans in that particular episode wouldn't have repercussions further down the line (especially after the reveal of the human zoo) then you just weren't paying any sort of attention...like, Peridot straight up said "I'm reporting this!" in the episode.
It was very clear that it was always gonna come back to bite Steven in the ass some day.

Barb promising to stay out of Sadie's way after 60+ eps of being tertiary/minor/often absent background character has no discernible impact on anything other than Sadie's music career at the moment...and that makes it really hard to care about imo, especially considering that we've only had a measly two episodes dedicated to the whole Sadie Killer thing.
:/
 

Inugami

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Every time someone brings up the fact that Rose's sword couldn't have shattered pink diamond I'm like "And she couldn't have used a different sword because ...?"

Rose's sword being unable to damage a gem isn't evidence that Rose didn't do it, that thing wasn't glued to her hand, it wasn't even her summoned weapon, it's a material weapon Rose could use or not. Even the show treats it as a inconsitency when it's really not.
Because they are never going to portray her as a killer... Though eternally trapping gems in bubbles doesn't seem like a better fate personally.
 
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I feel the townie episodes are really important for the show's pace and tone, or they would be if Cartoon Network scheduled this like a normal show. There's nothing wrong with smaller-scaler, quieter stories.
 
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I liked every episode released, and i didn't really care that they didn't have any huge revelations or anything, also Pool hopping was one of my favorite episodes of the show so far
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KNZFive

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I feel the townie episodes are really important for the show's pace and tone, or they would be if Cartoon Network scheduled this like a normal show. There's nothing wrong with smaller-scaler, quieter stories.
If we include Lars of the Stars and Jungle Moon, then it's an even split of sci-fi drama/lore episodes (those two, Your Mother and Mine) and lower-key episodes (The Big Show, Pool Hopping, Letters to Lars). Then the 22-minute special will undoubtedly switch back to sci-fi drama/lore when
Steven goes to the moon to talk to Lapis.

That's pretty balanced. It's a shame that the screwy scheduling and hiatus lead to fans forgetting or not noticing the balance. The show really flows better when it's on a regular schedule and especially when bingeing whole seasons.
 
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well if they really are gonna air more new episodes after these are done on tv i think that's fine
 

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"Sadie's Song" and "The Big Show" are separated by 60+ episodes with multiple MAJOR story arcs- ranging from Peridot's redemption at the end of season 2 all the way to the Wanted/Trail arc in season 5- inbetween them, how in the world do you expect me to give a crap about that specific aspect of Sadie and Barb's narrative relationship when you've put it on hold for two years and it has had no noticeable impact on the most important happenings within the show??
What was supposed to be compelling about this?
You make a really good point that exposes a flaw in the show's pacing and dramatic storytelling. There are multiple instances of that, like Sadie and Lars' relationship and lives in general.

The writers do have it rough though, they have to write a show that balances episodic and serialized storytelling all the while dealing with an unpredictable release schedule and 11 minute episodes. They are occasionally allowed to make a full 22 minute story.

I hope Sugar's next show is picked up by a streaming service and gets away from CN.
 
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PSqueak

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"Sadie's Song" and "The Big Show" are separated by 60+ episodes with multiple MAJOR story arcs- ranging from Peridot's redemption at the end of season 2 all the way to the Wanted/Trail arc in season 5- inbetween them, how in the world do you expect me to give a crap about that specific aspect of Sadie and Barb's narrative relationship when you've put it on hold for two years and it has had no noticeable impact on the most important happenings within the show??
What was supposed to be compelling about this?

I think showing Barb trying to hijack Sadie's life again would be a waste of resources even for a filler episode, so i understand why they didn't and just took for granted people would remember Barb is a smothering supportive but kinda controlling mother, it's hard to care about townie episodes but at least we can appreciate that they acknowledge there is some growth to the characters and their lives, it's nice that the crew cares at least a little to give life details to the characters instead of making them props whose only purpose is be accessories to steven, makes the world feel a bit more alive.
 
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Morlas

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yeah barb trying to control every aspect of Sadie's life again would be character regression and bad writing imo, i think the point of that episode was actually for Sadie to learn that it's okay for Barb to be excited about the things she does as long as she doesn't try to control every aspect of it
 

KNZFive

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I could 1000% relate to Sadie over-reacting to Barb's interest in her music. I was the same way with my own mother when I was in my early 20s. She was over-protective at times, but I was also unfair with how I immediately assumed that any interest on her part was her trying to be controlling. As a result, I reacted harshly to her when I shouldn't have and I deeply regret it.

Barb was in the wrong in Sadie's Song, but she's learned since then. The issue for most of The Big Show was that Sadie was still pushing back on Barb, without realizing that Barb meant no harm in supporting her daughter. Greg saying that Sadie was lucky that her mom showed an interest in her music when his own parents didn't was pretty heavy stuff. If I was a younger man, I never would have picked up on the writing's maturity and realism. That's probably why I love episodes like The Test and We Need To Talk, the latter of which has some of the best relationship writing I've ever seen in a show, much less a kid's cartoon. A weaker show would have had Greg and Rose's relationship be perfect from the get-go. Instead, we got a great episode about Greg and Rose actually getting serious about their relationship and having an open, much needed conversation.
 
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Honestly i'm proud of Barb for not going to the show, a lesser show would've made a whole comedic subplot about Barb sneaking in to see the concert and learning a lesson after Sadie caught her out, but instead they red herringed us with the producer friend of Greg's
 

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Honestly i'm proud of Barb for not going to the show, a lesser show would've made a whole comedic subplot about Barb sneaking in to see the concert and learning a lesson after Sadie caught her out, but instead they red herringed us with the producer friend of Greg's

I was expecting Sunshine to turn out to be Sadie's Aunt or something.
 

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I assume end game Steven universe will involve healing corruption fully. And either deposing the diamonds of power, or steven redeeming them through some talk no jutsu. Or a combination with some diamonds redeemed and others aren't.
 

PSqueak

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I assume end game Steven universe will involve healing corruption fully. And either deposing the diamonds of power, or steven redeeming them through some talk no jutsu. Or a combination with some diamonds redeemed and others aren't.

My prediction:

Steven will learn the truth about Rose and confront the diamonds, Blue Diamond will declare Earth a sanctuary planet off limits from homeworld, either because Steven will diplomance his way into winning her favor or Pink diamond will turn out to be alive, all off colors (both the ones with Lars and any potential one we haven't seen) will be allowed to live in earth as well as the zoo humans, basically putting an end to the Earth-Homeworld war.

This will leave room for various possibilities for hypothetical 6th season to go:
1.- Curing corruption
2.- Earth being safe but Homeworld still being percieve as the galaxy's villians
3.- Have a new evil faction emerge, most likely from a different planet, perhaps even a race homeworld has been at war with and the reason why they constantly have to mine planets for resources.
 

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My prediction:

Steven will learn the truth about Rose and confront the diamonds, Blue Diamond will declare Earth a sanctuary planet off limits from homeworld, either because Steven will diplomance his way into winning her favor or Pink diamond will turn out to be alive, all off colors (both the ones with Lars and any potential one we haven't seen) will be allowed to live in earth as well as the zoo humans, basically putting an end to the Earth-Homeworld war.

This will leave room for various possibilities for hypothetical 6th season to go:
1.- Curing corruption
2.- Earth being safe but Homeworld still being percieve as the galaxy's villians
3.- Have a new evil faction emerge, most likely from a different planet, perhaps even a race homeworld has been at war with and the reason why they constantly have to mine planets for resources.
i mean yeah, it's obvious homeworld has an enemy that they are facing.
This show is to well written for them building war machines for no reason :P
 

KNZFive

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I think the reason Homeworld constantly builds up its war machine is because they're just conquerors looking to spread their race. The only enemies they're fighting are the ones they themselves have created by colonizing other planets.

I have a feeling that Season 5 will end with something very dramatic, like much of Beach City being destroyed in an invasion (with the citizens evacuating safely like they've been setting up). It's possible that the threats of Yellow and Blue Diamond are defeated, either through force or diplomacy. But they can't just show White Diamond's silhouette like that and not have her be the final big bad of the series, or at least the next one after Yellow and Blue are defeated.

I think the revelation of what happened to Pink Diamond will put either Blue Diamond or Yellow and Blue out of the picture. Maybe Blue gets pissed at White because she's responsible for Pink's shattering/disappearance, and White effortlessly poofs her in a show of power in the Season 5 finale or epilogue. Yellow is shocked, but forced to directly serve White in constant fear for the rest of the show. In the series finale, she finally betrays White in order to save Blue.
 

Joeytj

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Having seen all the episodes, just some clips. I get why people complain that they're not all huge world-building ones, because we have to wait so long for new episodes, but honestly, season 1 and season 2 were almost all townsie episodes and these last seasons have been incredible for expanding the lore and developing characters, and still are.

It's only because of the hiatus that people get too hyped.
 

PSqueak

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But they can't just show White Diamond's silhouette like that and not have her be the final big bad of the series, or at least the next one after Yellow and Blue are defeated.

This is why my own prediction doesn't eliminates the pressence of homeworld as hostile faction, just going from the "we'll wrap S5 in a way that it feels done but has a chance to continue" premise, Making Earth safe from homeworld doesn't necessarily means Homeworld is not still an antagonistic force.

Think how in many continuities of Marvel properties the earth has a pact with Galactus that guarantees he won't eat it, but he's still a pretty big threat to the galaxy.
 
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