And we should all try to sift through the language to find out what they actually are trying to say.
The PR is obviously working, people are confused. Mission accomplished.
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Sea of Thieves is MS's most successful new IP this gen (2 Million+ Players and more stats)
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The PR is obviously working, people are confused. Mission accomplished.
Wouldn't you agree that 200k for a World Wide title that beat 200k in one region alone and had 350k+ pre-orders to not be likely? You replied to an estimate after all.
I think it's less that people are confused (everyone on Era knows they're talking about Xbox first party) and more of a case of "Im worried people will be confused and that's not fair, people will think it's more successful than it is and I must defend against this sacrilege!)".
At least that's how this thread appears to me. Apologies if wrong!
Yes, and we have more people like you, there was a person in other thread that thought that 2 million players is the number without GamePass downloads
Some people that were confused were clearly in the "fuck yeah Xbox for the win" camp when it came to misinterpreting the statements. I was even insulted by one that resulted in a warning for that poster. So yeah, you seem to be wrong.
So it's the fastest selling ip this gen for Xbox? Are they counting gamepass subs as sales then? Or has it really outsold the other 5 ip's?
Pretty surprising for a 69. I would have thought quantum break or sunset overdrive had it by an inch, though those werent that hot either sales wise.
Gratz to rare for that
Pretty surprising for a 69. I would have thought quantum break or sunset overdrive had it by an inch, though those werent that hot either sales wise.
Gratz to rare for that
Gamepass is not a sale, it's a subscription and is counted separately.
It has outsold Quantum Break which was the previous record holder according to what we know.
I'm not sure I follow. Did you read RexNovis' conversation that I replied to? He estimated QB first 2 month sales to 400k and then used that as the floor for Sea of Thieves. He compared two different time periods, which is incorrect.
From where do you have the "beat 200k in one region" number for SoT? Also a pre-order stat seems to not be a great statistic to use, since most of those was put in before Game Pass announcement and none of us know how many were fulfilled.
I didn't follow it well enough. I assumed 400k was the estimate for Sea of Thieves after the various factors, not 400k for QB.
I meant QB NPD numbers, but now that I think about it more I must've mixed things up. I read everything coming out from MS as US-centric but that's not necessarily the case.
I figured as much but it was surprising tbh. I would have thought anyone interested would have just subbed gamepass. Doesn't speak well for sales of the previous new ips.
Also, that wording was totally confusing. My brother and I both thought it was talking about all platforms till we came to our senses. lol
Ok, now I see your confusion.
No, the only number we have currently for SoT is 22k physical retail in UK launch week, which is actually below QB retail launch week. SoT will of course have higher digital sales from the MP centric nature of the title.
QB was still under 200k after 2 month in the US, so we can see that SoT will not need impressive sales to fulfill MS saying that it's their fastest selling new IP when comparing just launch weeks.
Yeah I got that part, I was just confused with the WW/US split due to assuming too much. Thanks. :P
I seriously don't understand everyone's obsession with debating the sales numbers for this game. It's like some of you are in disbelief, it's very strange indeed!
I was just about to say that.
Ah ok
Lol cant understand why alot of folks here on era still gets decived over and over again from the same company... ugh
I'm not saying it does. But you can't deny people are getting a bit crazy hung up on this instance. It's not perfect wording, I agree, but the Era response is predictably negative instead of you know, recognising that's Rare have done good.
But in that article which you gave Sony clearly said "Playstation 4 first party title", but there is no similar statement in any single way for Xbone in Xbox article, although, they mentioned it for PC. Author of that article should do a little edit.
There's nothing wrong about that statement....is the job of ppl that work in PR ....instead is crazy insistence of certain people (but luckly are always the same peoples so is easy to recognize the drive by) in wanting to turn this positive news into something negative
Im looking forward to read the excuses in the inevitable 3 million achieved thread. Very creative at finding ways to discredit SoT success.
What culture Gaming (I believe they are from What Hi-fi) , bring the Reddit post as news, as fact. Saw a video on YouTube yesterday with that Rare was fully aware of the barebones game.
Do we even know at all if that Reddit poster was legit or just some troll? Otherwise these channels/sites should not bring that as facts.
Do we even know at all if that Reddit poster was legit or just some troll? Otherwise these channels/sites should not bring that as facts.
It' just sad that other first party titles didn' have a good release date like SoT. Sunset overdrive is a great game
No you read it correctly. 400k was estimate for SoT given all the data we have currently which is not just QB sales figures it's preorders and total player count. So basically an estimate on what sort of minimum sales it would have based off all three factors. Definitely an estimate though and not an actual sales figure
The positive and negative of game pass is that it can lead to an inflated player count as launch that even if people drop quickly, they can easily come back in a few months when more is added. Seems like we might enter a netflix style "how well did something actually do" discussion with Sea of Theives and other 1st party Xbox titles going forward.
Hopefully this game is the financial hit Rare has been looking for.
Hopefully this game is the financial hit Rare has been looking for.
Well, considering he posted stuff like this......
"I'm surprised people actually expected anything different. If you look at Rare's track record, what have they released in the last 10 years that wasn't wafer thin on content and was actually any good? It's like the Rare fanboys forgot about the recent games and were expecting the same calibre of games from yesteryear... but it's not the same devs working there any more. There may be one or 2 but it's a very different studio from what it was when the good games were being made."
..........I'd say he's definitely a bit suspicious, to say the least.
Here's my 2 Cents on this:
First and foremost I'm glad for the people working at Rare that for all I know (this press statement and the #1 rank in UK sales) their game perfomed well, especially after the rather mediocre reviews. I hope they'll get to work on other new exciting projects and/or are tasked to deliver new content for SoT, in other words: they or at least most of them can keep their jobs.
The press statement itself however is "classic Microsoft": Leave away some background information, and of course add some very new important KPIs like "hours watched" on whatever stream, and there you go.
First and foremost I'm glad for the people working at Rare that for all I know (this press statement and the #1 rank in UK sales) their game perfomed well, especially after the rather mediocre reviews. I hope they'll get to work on other new exciting projects and/or are tasked to deliver new content for SoT, in other words: they or at least most of them can keep their jobs.
The press statement itself however is "classic Microsoft": Leave away some background information, and of course add some very new important KPIs like "hours watched" on whatever stream, and there you go.
Yes
Microsoft owns the IP and published the game on both Xbox and Steam.
If that isn't, what is a 1st party?
Greenberg said on Twitter that he considers every game that Microsoft publishes as 1st party. So yes, Ori is 1st party as well.
Oh damn, hadnt even read that before. I did read a comment from him where he said he had warned them while he was at Rare and nobody listened and now he was watching it all unfold. Which really is also a odd thing to say.
There Wouldn't be a debate if MS released numbers with their purposefully vague pr spin
It's not at all strange. It's a new, first-party, hyped game, that does things differrently, launches day and date in the same state as a version on the gamepass rental service (a service that's been rebooted with the news that first party titles are launching this way) and has been promoted with 14 day free trials. In sales/user participation threads see discussion of sales and user participation, and this game is no different. In fact, due to all the factors in the first sentence, this game has far more variables than most and has therefore generated far more discussion points than the average game.
ITT we discuss numbers of people playing and number of copies sold, not whether you think Rare have done good - there's an OT for that. That people want to cut through the numbers and put everything into some sort of context is understandable and reasonable.
I agree, for some reason whenever a new MS PR statement comes out I keep hearing "...One, two, princes kneel before you. That's what I said, now....Princes, Princes who adore you. Just go ahead, now...." ;P
So Ori didn't sell better than QB? I love both, but that's surprising.
Ori sold definitely better in the long run, but first week or first month sales could be lower. So QB sold "faster"
Many people preordered QB to get a second free code for Windows 10.
And just who has released "tons of new first party IPs this generation"? Sony and Nintendo?
That's what I meant; Rare done well to get such good numbers. Or is being positive about the numbers not allowed either?
After spending 8 hours playing with two of my best mates I can safely say that it doesn't deserve the early success. I don't even agree that there's a good base to build on, the combat system is abysmal, just terrible, fighting skeletons is not fun, at all.
Progression and exploration can be fixed but if the core gameplay isn't fun I just don't know how Rare can turn it around. Yes they nailed the sailing and presentation but nothing else.
Progression and exploration can be fixed but if the core gameplay isn't fun I just don't know how Rare can turn it around. Yes they nailed the sailing and presentation but nothing else.
The thing is, he claims he goes by the name of Rob Bedall, and if you look in the credits of SoT, you'll actually see that name in there. He also posted a link to his art design portfolio or whatever. But then again, he could've just picked a random name from the credits and found the dev's portfolio page and faked everything.
But if this was fake, I would think the real Rob Bedall would have come out and said something by now, so I dunno. It's hard to say.