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kaytee

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Well, I was thinking about going to Distant Worlds in January, and you guys gave me the extra nudge I needed. Just bought tickets for me and a couple friends. Looking forward to it! I've always wanted to go.
 
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Oh my gosh, I literally just got the Zodiac Spear in Henne Mines (FFXII Zodiac Age). The 1% chance chest. I NEVER get lucky like that in games. I actually walked by it the first time, but when running back to zone I somehow saw it and was shocked when I got the spear.

Also, are the abysteels still the go-to grinding method? It was honestly a chore to grind in the original. Part of the reason I never completed all the content in the OG game is that around level 70 it took FOREVER to grind. The speed up in this version should help with that, at least.

Isn't the spear 100% as long as you didn't open certain chests, and then it's like, 0.01%? I know they changed it in IZJS to make it unmissable. (within reason).

I never found level grinding bad. I started grinding the bats at level 70, and I think I was 99 with everybody in just a couple hours. With turbo speed it should be even faster.
 

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Isn't the spear 100% as long as you didn't open certain chests, and then it's like, 0.01%? I know they changed it in IZJS to make it unmissable. (within reason).

I never found level grinding bad. I started grinding the bats at level 70, and I think I was 99 with everybody in just a couple hours. With turbo speed it should be even faster.
1% chance in Zodiac Age. You're talking about vanilla FF12 ;)
 

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Wazzy Do you have any recommendations on where to buy a good gunblade replica? I wanted to get one for my brother earlier this year but I was unsure about the quality of them since they were all online.
 

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I'd have to level THF to 90 to get treasure hunter II as a subjob, wouldn't I? If I get that far in the game I might consider that, but certainly THF trust now is waaaaay less work =P.

Nah, you'd only need to have Thief at 45 to have access to TH2 - 49 is the highest you need to have on any job to use it as a subjob on a max level job. To go beyond TH2 would mean leveling Thief past subjob levels though, using it as a main - at which point you'd have access to job-specific gear that could bump the skill further.
 

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Wazzy Do you have any recommendations on where to buy a good gunblade replica? I wanted to get one for my brother earlier this year but I was unsure about the quality of them since they were all online.
It depends on how functional you want it to be. Do you need it to be made of metal with a functional trigger? Or is a wood make okay? My replica is made of wood andthe details look fantastic.

I find most of the metal ones look off and usually are miscoloured. For wood, there is two Etsy shops that craft wood gunblades and they look amazing. There is one that allows the trigger to be functional however it's quite expensive already and that added in will be probably be even worse.

Those Etsy shops also craft Buster Sword and other Final Fantasy weapons if anyone else is interested in where to find replicas.
 

Meows

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I platinum'd the XIII trilogy and i maintain that XIII is in the top half of mainline FF games. For me personally, its top 5.
I've always found it to be a fun game that was extremely overhated on the internet. The hype I had the months leading to release were probably the most hyped I have ever been for a game but I wasn't really disappointed. Fang is still one of my favorite designs in the series and Sazh and Hope were well-written characters. Adore the soundtrack.
Thanks!

I've seen the Triple Triad cards before(binders of them) but there's so many merchandise options for VIII that I've ignored them for now. Did you have the whole set? I can't ever recall an option to pick them up in Canada but maybe it was due to being that rare back then.

It's been my struggle for awhile. I keep wanting to go and replay it(I've done it so many times) but also kind of want to hold off for PS4 version whenever it get's announced. The problem is we have no idea when that could be.
I can't remember. I called my parents and asked if they could find them but no luck.. I was kinda dumb back when I got those and didn't really understand how to play Triple Triad so the cards were more novelty than anything. I would love to get those guys back but at least I still have my figures. I started a playthrough last year (only made it to the Dollet mission) where I was determined to try and get Lionheart on Disc 1 for the first time. Just for the novelty. But then I forgot... I might slip back into it though.
 
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Where can I find videos of high quality gameplay of Final Fantasy games? I don't see a bunch of the Square Enix website or I might not be navigating properly. I want to download as much as I can.
 

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It depends on how functional you want it to be. Do you need it to be made of metal with a functional trigger? Or is a wood make okay? My replica is made of wood andthe details look fantastic.

I find most of the metal ones look off and usually are miscoloured. For wood, there is two Etsy shops that craft wood gunblades and they look amazing. There is one that allows the trigger to be functional however it's quite expensive already and that added in will be probably be even worse.

Those Etsy shops also craft Buster Sword and other Final Fantasy weapons if anyone else is interested in where to find replicas.

At this point I think I would be okay with a wooden replica. I also noticed that the metal ones usually look weird and I would like it to be as close to the original as possible. Speaking of Etsy shops, I would really love to get this replica of Yuna's staff. It's so simple and elegant.
 

AdvancedWind

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Nah, you'd only need to have Thief at 45 to have access to TH2 - 49 is the highest you need to have on any job to use it as a subjob on a max level job. To go beyond TH2 would mean leveling Thief past subjob levels though, using it as a main - at which point you'd have access to job-specific gear that could bump the skill further.
I realized that afterwards, your level as sub is half of your main, not half of your sub. Got that confused

Anyways, things are working out, I even had to camp the dunes for a couple hours to get earth weather for the Blu Quest, got a taste of the classic FFXI experience
 

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Hi! Don't think I've posted in here yet, but just finished XII a few minutes ago and it was my first time playing it! I didn't see a XII thread here on ERA, so figure this is the best place to share my thoughts on it. (Sorry for the the wall of text! D;)

So yeah, ultimately I'd say I felt this was a decent but very middle of the road type game. Nothing really offended me about it, but at the same time nothing really stood out to me as amazing either. Characters were likable and well designed, but felt like they needed more exploration into their personalities and interactions/dynamics, story was decent enough but I don't feel it gave me any real wow moments, settings were absolutely gorgeous and creative but of course limited because the game was made ten years ago.
I think maybe the one area the game really shined for me was the art style. I really loved how the character models had a sort of painterly look to them, and I really like how the hair was stylized too. I know it's clunky and a bit blocky from being an older game, but in some ways I think it looks better than some of the newer games, just cuz the stylization holds up so well imo.

I did find the battle system pretty boring, though. It felt very automated to me, and yeah there is strategy to using the gambit system and you do get to jump in and control your characters here and there, but the pace of the battle definitely lends more to relying on gambits than controlling everything. And there were way too many times where I just sat there and let the battles run themselves without pressing anything before running on to the next thing.

On a side note, it's funny looking back to when I had a friend in school playing this game. They would always tell me about how hard it was compared to other games, and so going in this time I was all anxious like oh man is this gonna be a rough ride? Actually was a fairly easy game imo lol. I think my final team for the last bosses were Ashe at 43 and Fran and Penelo around 46-48.

Holy crap at Vayne's face in second form tho. It caught me so off guard, I look away for a second and suddenly THAT FACE LMAO. Like, good lord, how did he go from fairly attractive dude to... the hate child of that one super buff dude from yyh and like deadpool, but with hair LMAO
Also, was... was he not wearing any pants???

Oh also p.s., I have no idea why everyone hates Vann. Maybe it's because I played in japanese instead of dubs?? But he's like.. a perfectly fine and reasonable dude?
 

AdvancedWind

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Vaan's personality is more or less fine, a bit on the annoying side but not that much. But then there's the fact his role in the story is very small. He's just a narrator / point of view character, and one that's not interesting at all in a party with much better characters that are much more crucial to the plot, but we keep getting Vaan shoehorned into stuff and just "watching" most of the story without being related to anything. He could have worked if he were a more compelling narrator, but he just isn't. A bad comparison, but if it's like Quistis was FFVIII's main character. Quistis is fine, but as a MC she would be terrible.

Basically, Basch and Ashe were robbed.
 

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I platinum'd the XIII trilogy and i maintain that XIII is in the top half of mainline FF games. For me personally, its top 5.

I've only played XIII and XIII-2, I enjoyed them both. I found the story in XIII-2 a bit mental, but the bad guy was amazing and the monster recruitment system was interesting too. I know I'll never go back and explore it again, but the way the weather system worked in one of the areas was cool, as well as trying to find different monsters to level up (including the rare ones).

I'll have to play Lightning Returns at some point to wrap the story up, but overall, yeah, I agree that XIII wasn't as terrible as some make it out to be.
 

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Vaan should have been a NPC character at best and a party member (not the MC) at worst. If I had it my way, he would have been a NPC like Marlene that is a constant reminder of what Ashe, Basche, and the others are fighting for, Penelo would have been a NPC too or scrapped all together to be replaced with a different female character from Rozarria because the fact that 90% of the party are literally blondes and mostly have ties to one place is boring as fuck. Aesthetically, XII has probably one of the least interesting parties (at least to me) as a result of this and it's especially baffling considering that Ivalice is extremely diverse in the races/cultures it has yet none of that is actually represented in the party members outside of Fran (like imagine if 8 of the 9 party members in IX where from Alexandria and how dramatically that would change the perspective of certain scenes in the story?)

To further expand the party,
I also felt that Vayne should have never been the final boss considering the game heavily hints at the Occuria kind of being assholes...and then doesn't do anything with it??? With some changes to the story, Vayne would have worked better as an anti-hero who joins your party (probably forcefully like Cait-Sith) to further his own goals but ends up coming around. PLUS HE USES HIS FISTS TO FIGHT AND HAS BEAUTIFUL HAIR. WHAT A WASTE SE.

Also, after playing through Zodiac Age over the summer, it made really notice that XII and XV are somewhat inverts of each other? I feel that when one game does something well, the other game misses the mark entirely or isn't as well done. For instance, XII has a well paced opening yet for me, the game pretty much loses everything that made it interesting once you reach Raithwall's tomb. I don't really get what I want out of the characters, the villain is weak, and the end is just kind of eh and doesn't leave any lasting impressions on me. With XV, the opening is kind of weak (and while I don't have wet dreams about Versus like some people do, I can admit that the original opening/Kingsglaive would have been vastly better than what we got). But I feel that the game more than makes up for it with a fantastic ending (probably my favorite in the series). With that said, the world of XV isn't really memorable as I feel that the more interesting parts were breezed by and the open world didn't really do it for me (XII's world is amazing but kind of be a slog without the FF button). There's also the fact that while XII's story has flaws that aren't glaringly obvious and it balances it out with amazing cutscene direction, voice acting, etc. while XV...has none of that. I actually cared more but what was going in XV's story but the presentation is terrible and even with all the patches will be mediocre at best.

However, the main party in XV are amazing and while outside of Noctis, most of them don't go through a ton of development (neither does XII's characters outside of Ashe and Balthier) there is the dlc that has done a good job on expanding on Prompto and will likely do the same for Ignis (and hopefully Luna and Adryn. Gladio is a lost cause). If you're sold on their friendship it's gonna to amplify how much you like this game as for me, it allowed me to look past some of the games faults due to how much I like these four characters. In comparison to the party members in XII, I never felt they were an actual team or grew to become friends. The few moments of 'bonding' where too far in between and too late in the game for me to care. I do find it cool how similar the goals for the protagonist are: reluctant prince/headstrong princess from a powerful line has to win back their throne through gaining power. I think Noctis and Ashe are both great characters although I think Ashe is hindered by not being in the actual driver seat of her own story due to Vaan's entire existence which is unfortunate (I feel she's a misunderstood character as a result). There is more I could talk about but overall I still find XII to be enjoyable but agree with Jotakori on it being a very middle of the road FF and now that the 'honeymoon period' for XV, I find myself still liking but it's middle of the road too.

Oh also p.s., I have no idea why everyone hates Vann. Maybe it's because I played in japanese instead of dubs?? But he's like.. a perfectly fine and reasonable dude?

I can only speak for myself but Vaan wasn't a character that really needed to exist or at least not in the way he is in the game. He wasn't meant to be the original protagonist and it shows...a lot. Even if Basch had been the original protagonist, I still feel the game would have been flawed because there is no reason why Ashe can't be the actual main character of her actual story. It's like if Ignis was the main character of XV and you just watched everything Noctis did through him. That would be dumb imo.
 
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Meows

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I didn't mind Vaan since Ashe was clearly the main character of the story. He was just some kid that got locked into her battle against the Occuria but he still had an important role in making sure she didn't give in to revenge. It was different enough for me. I mean, I would have preferred if they had you playing as Ashe from the getgo (or the original story with Basch versus Gabranth) but it was a nice take to see these street urchins grow to become something great and be surrounded by these incredible people.

Also kinda love him now thanks to Dissidia lmao.
 

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It REALLY doesnt help that Balthier shows up and LITERALLY says "I'm the leading man"

Kinda makes you go "well.........ok then, fuck Vaan I guess"
At least you don't have to play as him. I preferred playing as Balthier anyway because it's easier to keep an eye on the battle when you're out of the action shooting. Vaan is more like the guide to better characters than the protagonist.
 

Turin

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XV had some talented voice actors but the voice direction was inconsistent to put it lightly.
 

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Noctis in particular had incredible VA. I think the scene that stuck with me most from the game was when he was sobbing on the train, it just really got me. I love that most FF protags I can think of have realistic emotions instead of just maintaining their cool facade while the world ends.
 

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Best section of acting in XV is the cup noodle quest, simply because they were clearly told "This is basically an advert, you dont need to give a fuck"

The way Noct says "I know I sure do" at the end fucking kills me every time
 

Jotakori

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Ope, sorry went to sleep before people started replying!

But I guess that makes sense, I suppose I just see it on the opposite perspective. I didn't feel bothered that you play through Vaan while the main characters were clearly more on Ashe, Basch and I suppose Balthier too. I thought it was an interesting perspective and if anything just made me feel Vaan and by extension Penelo got the short end of the stick since you see it through them but they don't get much development or true involvement besides being there. I kept waiting for them to get more development and relevance but they never did, but that didn't make me hate them or make me feel like they're pointless or taking the spot light away. Although I do think it would have been cool to play as Ashe from the start, I can see where they were maybe going with trying to make her mysterious and interesting from an outside perspective, too.

Vaan should have been a NPC character at best and a party member (not the MC) at worst. If I had it my way, he would have been a NPC like Marlene that is a constant reminder of what Ashe, Basche, and the others are fighting for, Penelo would have been a NPC too or scrapped all together to be replaced with a different female character from Rozarria because the fact that 90% of the party are literally blondes and mostly have ties to one place is boring as fuck. Aesthetically, XII has probably one of the least interesting parties (at least to me) as a result of this and it's especially baffling considering that Ivalice is extremely diverse in the races/cultures it has yet none of that is actually represented in the party members outside of Fran (like imagine if 8 of the 9 party members in IX where from Alexandria and how dramatically that would change the perspective of certain scenes in the story?)

To further expand the party,
I also felt that Vayne should have never been the final boss considering the game heavily hints at the Occuria kind of being assholes...and then doesn't do anything with it??? With some changes to the story, Vayne would have worked better as an anti-hero who joins your party (probably forcefully like Cait-Sith) to further his own goals but ends up coming around. PLUS HE USES HIS FISTS TO FIGHT AND HAS BEAUTIFUL HAIR. WHAT A WASTE SE.
Also, after playing through Zodiac Age over the summer, it made really notice that XII and XV are somewhat inverts of each other? I feel that when one game does something well, the other game misses the mark entirely or isn't as well done. For instance, XII has a well paced opening yet for me, the game pretty much loses everything that made it interesting once you reach Raithwall's tomb. I don't really get what I want out of the characters, the villain is weak, and the end is just kind of eh and doesn't leave any lasting impressions on me. With XV, the opening is kind of weak (and while I don't have wet dreams about Versus like some people do, I can admit that the original opening/Kingsglaive would have been vastly better than what we got). But I feel that the game more than makes up for it with a fantastic ending (probably my favorite in the series). With that said, the world of XV isn't really memorable as I feel that the more interesting parts were breezed by and the open world didn't really do it for me (XII's world is amazing but kind of be a slog without the FF button). There's also the fact that while XII's story has flaws that aren't glaringly obvious and it balances it out with amazing cutscene direction, voice acting, etc. while XV...has none of that. I actually cared more but what was going in XV's story but the presentation is terrible and even with all the patches will be mediocre at best.

However, the main party in XV are amazing and while outside of Noctis, most of them don't go through a ton of development (neither does XII's characters outside of Ashe and Balthier) there is the dlc that has done a good job on expanding on Prompto and will likely do the same for Ignis (and hopefully Luna and Adryn. Gladio is a lost cause). If you're sold on their friendship it's gonna to amplify how much you like this game as for me, it allowed me to look past some of the games faults due to how much I like these four characters. In comparison to the party members in XII, I never felt they were an actual team or grew to become friends. The few moments of 'bonding' where too far in between and too late in the game for me to care. I do find it cool how similar the goals for the protagonist are: reluctant prince/headstrong princess from a powerful line has to win back their throne through gaining power. I think Noctis and Ashe are both great characters although I think Ashe is hindered by not being in the actual driver seat of her own story due to Vaan's entire existence which is unfortunate (I feel she's a misunderstood character as a result). There is more I could talk about but overall I still find XII to be enjoyable but agree with Jotakori on it being a very middle of the road FF and now that the 'honeymoon period' for XV, I find myself still liking but it's middle of the road too.

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to want to turn Vaan into an npc or whatnot, but I think you make a ton of lot of great points and I honestly agree with everything you're saying overall.
XII definitely lost steam halfway through, when it felt like the party was just following a set of objectives and not much like an interesting story actually folding out. I think there was a bit too much rushing for me to sing about XV's second half, but they definitely managed to hit home with the friendship feels in the end and it was for sure more exciting despite its short comings. And I agree the story for XV is honestly way more interesting -- although I do like the perspective of Ashe and the characters/their stories, the overarching plot of political stuff just felt a little too far removed from personal stakes, if that makes sense? Like XV you're really in it for the characters and their motivations -- even if a bunch of them lack development or screentime, you can still feel it's the driving force behind everything. On the flispide, outside of Ashe coming to terms with her husband, it felt like XII lacked personal motivators for anything. It was just a bunch of characters doing stuff because that's what they were supposed to be doing.

I think if they had spent more time on the characters in XII -- even if it was stuff as simple as, like, finding your party members scattered around the towns you visit and them having colorful dialog based on the story progression or area? Like even that would have helped the game overall imo. It felt like XII had this great mix for everything to work out -- decent enough story, beautiful settings, interesting character designs (lack of diversity in main party aside), but didn't have enough emotional investment woven in to really make anything memorable.

In comparison to XV, it's hard to say which I think is better overall. XII didn't do anything that really upset or bothered me, it was decent and I wish there were more of certain things but I didn't walk away feeling cheated - but nor did I walk away feeling any real strong emotion about anything on it. XV I definitely walked away really disappointed, and there are whole huge aspects of the game that frustrate me to hell and back, but there were a ton of moments I still had legitimate fun and felt wow'd, and I still totally teared up at the end over the bros. I'm waiting to replay it until after all the dlc/additional stuff are added in, though.. so I guess I'll see how I feel after all that.

This is an amazing idea. Although I did come to really dislike Vayne cuz he's a bit of an asshole lmao, if they had done him differently with a whole anti-hero bit that joins your party to fight the Occuria and THEN maybe turned on you guys, that would have been super interesting. Or even if he didn't turn on you and had a misunderstood hero/redemption arc that would have been cool, too. That would have added such an interesting cast dynamic, wow...
 

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It really isn't about liking or disliking XV's VA cast but I honestly don't see how the VA presentation is on the same level as XII in way at all. Like it completely blows it out of the park (and also most other FF games with VA). Everyone from the main protagonists, villains, npcs, etc. have great voice acting/direction and they do a great job making the world feel extremely real by having a lot of distinct accents for all the various races and humes. The main party (outside of Gladio) + Ardyn and Luna are pretty good to great but I can't say the same for all the voice work in the game when you have characters like Dino.

I think if they had spent more time on the characters in XII -- even if it was stuff as simple as, like, finding your party members scattered around the towns you visit and them having colorful dialog based on the story progression or area? Like even that would have helped the game overall imo. It felt like XII had this great mix for everything to work out -- decent enough story, beautiful settings, interesting character designs (lack of diversity in main party aside), but didn't have enough emotional investment woven in to really make anything memorable.

This is an amazing idea. Although I did come to really dislike Vayne cuz he's a bit of an asshole lmao, if they had done him differently with a whole anti-hero bit that joins your party to fight the Occuria and THEN maybe turned on you guys, that would have been super interesting. Or even if he didn't turn on you and had a misunderstood hero/redemption arc that would have been cool, too. That would have added such an interesting cast dynamic, wow...

Yes, I do think having most of your party members with you from the start could of worked, X did it just fine, but XII didn't do anything to make the characters actually feel interesting around each other at all. It's probably all of result of it's troubled development similar to XV, which is a shame.

And yes, if that certain character's role had been changed it would have changed a lot about the party dynamics and resulted in some very interesting scenes, specifically with Ashe.
 

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Isn't the spear 100% as long as you didn't open certain chests, and then it's like, 0.01%? I know they changed it in IZJS to make it unmissable. (within reason).

I never found level grinding bad. I started grinding the bats at level 70, and I think I was 99 with everybody in just a couple hours. With turbo speed it should be even faster.

Okay I find that impossible to believe. I went from 64 to 70 in an hour with Basch wearing the Embroidered Tippet.

I also tried Zodiark and he was easy peasy... until he kept putting up Palings and spamming Darkja. Just unfair. Apparently if you don't dispel him he doesn't put a magick paling? Guess I'll have to try that.
 

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There is nothing wrong with Vaan. He's not great as a protagonist, but the other characters pick up the slack there. He's a good guy with a cool design (if you think of him as a monk).
 

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Vaan's an uninspiring "protagonist". Okay as a supporting character. Not much else to say about him.
 
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Okay I find that impossible to believe. I went from 64 to 70 in an hour with Basch wearing the Embroidered Tippet.

I also tried Zodiark and he was easy peasy... until he kept putting up Palings and spamming Darkja. Just unfair. Apparently if you don't dispel him he doesn't put a magick paling? Guess I'll have to try that.

I mean, maybe I'm misremembering. It was 2007 that I last played it. I was definitely level 70 something though and leveled all 6 characters to 99 in a single afternoon on those bats, then fought Zodiark, and I'm pretty sure it didn't take all day. I used to play 12-16 hours a day on my vacation days back in high school though so it could have been like 6 or 7 hours still I guess.
 

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Personally, I'd put FFXIII #7 in my favorite mainline FF games. It's not terrible and it has the best FF combat system (and best FF battle theme) but the content is the issue. Previously I'd put FFXIII ahead of XII (I wasn't a fan of vanilla XII) but TZA changed it and is now ahead of XIII.
 

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Personally, I'd put FFXIII #7 in my favorite mainline FF games. It's not terrible and it has the best FF combat system (and best FF battle theme) but the content is the issue. Previously I'd put FFXIII ahead of XII (I wasn't a fan of vanilla XII) but TZA changed it and is now ahead of XIII.
That's good to hear. I'm still waiting out for TZA to be released on PC because evidence shows it will eventually be but they do like to release them on Steam out of nowhere. It will happen...it will...
 

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I beat Zodiark but I forgot to steal Great Trango. Should I reload a save? Or just forget about it?
 

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Anyone know if the PS4 version of FFX/X-2 HD had any share/recording limitations using the share button?

Like any blocked scenes?
 

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Vaan was fine in the beginning of the game, but he started to grate on me later when it seemed like his only contribution was to say a boneheaded comment every so often.

FFXII is a little sad for me, because the main party feels like such a lost opportunity. I can see how they would fit together, and then they just... don't. Vaan and Penelo could work as the normal citiizen's perspective (you don't need two characters, but they could bounce off each other so it's fine). You have little hints in the game of them serving as a reminder of what the party is fighting for, but it's pretty half-baked. Basch is completely underutilized. He should have an awesome redemption/revenge story, but he disappears into the crowd as soon as he joins up with you. Ashe probably has the strongest individual story, but I still wish there was more of it. Balthier and Fran coast on being likable and aren't given much to do...

Honestly, the whole first part of the game holds together well, and at a certain point the story stops existing and I'm just told to go places and fight things for reasons. It's not that I don't like political stories either. But politics only matter because because it effects individuals, and there are literally individuals in the main party who are involved in everything. I wanted more of a personal investment.

The world is enormous and thought out, though, and it's obvious how much effort was put into towns and cities. Personally, the setting doesn't appeal to me much, but I can appreciate it at least. I'm nearing the end of The Zodiac Age, and the fast forward button makes the game so much better to play for me. When I first played on the PS2, I stalled out at Raithwall's Tomb because everything felt so slow and like I was going nowhere.
 

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I don't know why but I randomly think of this track every now and then and get hit with the feels.
 

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Vaan was fine in the beginning of the game, but he started to grate on me later when it seemed like his only contribution was to say a boneheaded comment every so often.

FFXII is a little sad for me, because the main party feels like such a lost opportunity. I can see how they would fit together, and then they just... don't. Vaan and Penelo could work as the normal citiizen's perspective (you don't need two characters, but they could bounce off each other so it's fine). You have little hints in the game of them serving as a reminder of what the party is fighting for, but it's pretty half-baked. Basch is completely underutilized. He should have an awesome redemption/revenge story, but he disappears into the crowd as soon as he joins up with you. Ashe probably has the strongest individual story, but I still wish there was more of it. Balthier and Fran coast on being likable and aren't given much to do...

Honestly, the whole first part of the game holds together well, and at a certain point the story stops existing and I'm just told to go places and fight things for reasons. It's not that I don't like political stories either. But politics only matter because because it effects individuals, and there are literally individuals in the main party who are involved in everything. I wanted more of a personal investment.

The world is enormous and thought out, though, and it's obvious how much effort was put into towns and cities. Personally, the setting doesn't appeal to me much, but I can appreciate it at least. I'm nearing the end of The Zodiac Age, and the fast forward button makes the game so much better to play for me. When I first played on the PS2, I stalled out at Raithwall's Tomb because everything felt so slow and like I was going nowhere.

This is all pretty much accurate. I still like the game a lot though, and I think it's definitely one of the stronger FFs, simply because of the world. It's a beautiful, interesting place with lots of side-stories that you want to explore.




I don't know why but I randomly think of this track every now and then and get hit with the feels.


It's not just you buddy, trust me

 

SOLDIER

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 26, 2017
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An FFXV update popped up for me on PS4, anyone know what it does?

They wouldn't release multiplayer this early, right?
 

visvim

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Oct 27, 2017
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I started a fresh playthrough of Tactics today. Such a great game. I would love if this was available on Switch at some point in the future.
 

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Found this on reddit and thought you guys might like it:
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