Haha, no I'm not, I'm one of those people, but if you're only really into high end console/PC experiences, AF8 is a good option.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Haha, no I'm not, I'm one of those people, but if you're only really into high end console/PC experiences, AF8 is a good option.
Amazon has "Amazon Warehouse" items at 20% off.
Here's some 65" OLED C7s for around $1890.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-lis...d_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=used&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ
Here's some 65" OLED C7s for around $1890.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-lis...d_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=used&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ
hell yeah baby scratch 'n dent OLEDs. burn in'll be the least of your concerns
Having just watched that C8 vs B7 video, I don't think there is anyway double the cost is justified, over buying a B7 (current clearance prices) I mean they are virtually the same TV (but lower lag on B7), and Joey found the same kind of stuff I did, when i tested the B7 with active HDR on games, it just doesn't improve pic quality in every scenario, and the B7 looking nicer sometimes, and for whatever reason, looking brighter when both had no dynamic TM.
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I probably buy a good 5-6 movies a week on iTunes, the sales are very good.
I would be mad enough to post gifs too if I paid for an inferior viewing experience that I actually don't own.
BILLY MAYS HERE WITH A HOT TAKE THAT PRESUMES THAT ANOTHER POSTER ISN'T AN ADULT AND CAN'T MAKE A VALUE JUDGMENT ON THEIR OWN
OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY
OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY
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Billy...We're talking about a $3 movie here (compared to $20+ for disc). It's ok for people to do things differently than you.
Edit: GearDraxon I read EVERYTHING you write as if it comes from your avatar, which makes everything even funnier.
That's nice and all but the sole reason for purchasing UHD content is for the best possible viewing experience available. If people don't care about quality or "actually" owning movies then more power to them I guess...
Looks like both Wall Street flicks for $10 on iTunes....
Hmmm.... Those aren't even on UHD. May need to look into getting an ATV sooner than expected.
E: Looks like the SD post might be an error. I think just the first one is $5
Hmmm.... Those aren't even on UHD. May need to look into getting an ATV sooner than expected.
E: Looks like the SD post might be an error. I think just the first one is $5
There are plenty of people who are buying these TV's to hook their PC's up to, seeing as HDR monitors are extremely expensive, and not even as nice as current mid-high HDR TV's. On a controller, I think 50ms is tolerable, though definitely noticeable, and will make certain games very frustrating. But on a mouse and keyboard, that shit feels terrible. Anything more than 30ms with a mouse and keyboard feels noticeably weird, like you're moving the cursor around under water or something.
Yeah, first one is 4K and $4.99. Money Never Sleeps is only in HD.
Here I thought I was the only person who liked the 2nd Wall Street.
I don't think many of you have a discerning taste for input lag. I think you're latching on to a spec and a talking point. I highly doubt you'd be passing blind playtests identifying sets with slightly higher lag and I don't believe you've owned enough sets in your lifetime to be able to differentiate ~20 milleseconds slower response. Sorry, I'm not buying any of it. 50ms threshold is considered 'good' anyways. Regardless, none of this even matters when you're going to be playing in 4K, as that's the 1080p lag measurement.
Give me a break. If you guys actually cared about this stuff you'd be completely hardwired to the internet, using wired controllers, and you'd be paying premiums for 1gb+ fiber optic internet, while using monitors that have the lowest of low response time. None of this is a thing for 99.9%+ of gamers. Not buying it. Again that's 1/20th of a second, but actually a 1/40th of a second difference from baseline. That's like missing 1 frame in a 30fps console game. You guys wouldn't even game on 30fps consoles if this was the hill you chose to die on. If it wasn't discussed in these tech review videos then people wouldn't even think they cared. You can't find this input lag response from retailer specifications because it's not a practical matter. These sets are all within acceptable limits. Controller (lol) first-person-shooter input lag? Seriously? You'd be gaming on PC with kb&m and a dedicated monitor instead. The console television input lag discussion doesn't mean anything unless you're hardcore into fighting games online.
I've never heard of a person making a high-end television buying decision based upon slightly better input lag for console gaming. Sorry, not buying any of it.
I didn't realize we had so many competitive Korean Starcraft players and professional MOBA players gaming in 1080p on OLED televisions. Yeah it's going to be really unbearable for everyone playing Street Fighter 4 online matches OVER WIRELESS WI-FI with their PS3s on their 2018 flagship OLEDs.
Give me a break. If you guys actually cared about this stuff you'd be completely hardwired to the internet, using wired controllers, and you'd be paying premiums for 1gb+ fiber optic internet, while using monitors that have the lowest of low response time. None of this is a thing for 99.9%+ of gamers. Not buying it. Again that's 1/20th of a second, but actually a 1/40th of a second difference from baseline. That's like missing 1 frame in a 30fps console game. You guys wouldn't even game on 30fps consoles if this was the hill you chose to die on. If it wasn't discussed in these tech review videos then people wouldn't even think they cared. You can't find this input lag response from retailer specifications because it's not a practical matter. These sets are all within acceptable limits. Controller (lol) first-person-shooter input lag? Seriously? You'd be gaming on PC with kb&m and a dedicated monitor instead. The console television input lag discussion doesn't mean anything unless you're hardcore into fighting games online.
I've never heard of a person making a high-end television buying decision based upon slightly better input lag for console gaming. Sorry, not buying any of it.
That movie is fantastic! I love the music, the feel of it. Shia Lebouf is totally tolerable.
Also just generally love Oliver Stone's aesthetic to his flicks.
E: also if you've either read any of Michael Lewis' stuff (highly recommended) or seen The Big Short (based on the book by Lewis), all the context around what actually happened makes the movie that much more enjoyable, as it's largely an analog of some of the events of the financial crisis, with dramatized companies (like Keller Zable, replacing Bear Stearns for example)
Would have to try something with 50ish ms my self to see if I could tell the difference, but the difference between game/PC mode on the C7 (~20ms) and any of the other modes (~60ms) is 100% noticeable. I would be nervous to go from my C7 to the AF8 at ~50ms.
Also your post makes you come across like an enormous asshole, in case that part was unclear.
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What? You're seriously gonna call out everyone who is sensitive to input lag as a faker? gtfo of here with that shit. I've owned a few different high end TV's over the past few years, and input lag is certainly something I notice. For example, I owned a Samsung KS8000, which would on occasion auto-switch the input my computer was hooked up to from game mode to PC mode. This was an input lag difference of about 15 ms iirc. It happened randomly, but I knew when it happened because I would move my mouse and think "oh what the fuck" and switch it back to game mode. On a controller that difference probably wouldn't be too noticeable, but the difference between 20ms and 50ms is certainly noticeable on a controller. Not even twitch shooters and stuff, just something as simple as moving the camera with the right stick, I can feel that shit instantly. Lots of people can. Not sure why you feel the need to call everyone liars.
And again, plenty of PC players who want good HDR are buying these displays, because HDR monitors cost double for way smaller screens, and have way shittier contrast (you can't really fit a full array backlight into a 32 inch monitor). I get that not everyone is hooking up a PC to these TVs, but there are a ton of people in this thread who are doing that, and it seems weird to call us all liars because you're upset that people don't like the input lag of a certain TV.
I can only go by my experience, and say the difference going from a 38ms FALD, to a 21ms set was palpable, big difference in desktop use, and a very noticeable response uptick for 30fps titles! No way I'm going back to the 40ms range again.
yep. The difference between 40ms and 20 ms is certainly noticeable, 20ms feels a lot snappier. I could tolerate 40ms if I had to, but I don't have to, so I won't. 50ms is completely out of the question for me personally.
Everyone is different though, hell I see people in this thread sometimes who don't want to use game mode and can't tell the difference between 30ms and 100+ms. I remember getting bothered playing a 30fps game on my KS8000 on PS4 (alien isolation) and the motion handling of the TV was not very good, so 30fps looked like shit whenever I moved the camera. Tried to change it from game mode to a different preset, which had a 100+ms input lag, and it made me nauseous.
A fraction of a second doesn't sound like a lot, but when your moving a stick or a mouse that usually tries to get as close to 1:1 as possible, that shit can be intolerable.
All of us digital UHD purchasers:
Edit: dammit, uploaded the non-pixellated one. :|
Edit: dammit, uploaded the non-pixellated one. :|
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I agree with you on the first part - if you want the best AV experience, and I'd argue that the audio is the biggest strength of physical media, then hell yeah disc is the way, however ownership bothers me less. The world is moving towards digital. The older I get the less faff I want to deal with. An iTunes movie can be launched instantly - discs are a hassle in comparison (loading times, no resume, warning screens to skip etc) then you have to store the damn things. Again, the less clutter in my middle aged life the better.
This is all the while ignoring the cost. Yes you are getting the premium experience with UHD but is that improvement justified considering the points I mentioned and the fact you are paying a damn sight more?
Enjoy that audio quality...All of us digital UHD purchasers:
=P =P =P
Enjoy that audio quality...
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Looks like we found a Billy Mays alt account here :)
That's because tone mapping or dynamic tone mapping doesn't increase brightness. For some odd reason, the display manufacturers think this is the case. Dynamic Metadata doesn't either.
Dolby use dynamic tone mapping for highlight detail that is out of range. A 4000 nit grade will have a lot more highlight detail than a 1000 nit grade.
To maintain that detail, a graphics based algorithm applies colors to the image where the display is limited in peak brightness. A 600 nit display would apply those nits to the highlight, then dynamic tone mapping would add color so that the highlight doesn't appear as just a blob.
Dynamic Metadata can be modified by the colorist/Scenarist. So color brightness can be adjusted to reveal more detail in the color, light sources can be fined tuned to prevent white from being blown out. Shadow detail can be revealed that is lost in static metadata.
LG only option, is increase Contrast. Lower the contrast on any display and the entire image will be darker, and tone mapping becomes more aggressive.
So. I have a Sony X900F.
Was disappointed by a lot of things but mainly how Full HD content looks. Game wise, Uncharted 2 remastered looked way worse on my new screen. But I forced the Pro to output at 1080p and the game looks very good. Is this a thing, is this normal ?
I tried Horizon at 4K CB and then 1080p supersampled on my 4K TV and it seemed to look similar. Anybody else ?
Was disappointed by a lot of things but mainly how Full HD content looks. Game wise, Uncharted 2 remastered looked way worse on my new screen. But I forced the Pro to output at 1080p and the game looks very good. Is this a thing, is this normal ?
I tried Horizon at 4K CB and then 1080p supersampled on my 4K TV and it seemed to look similar. Anybody else ?
Lot of us play fighting games and fpses so yes input lag is noticeable.
Might not be as big an issue for those playing single player stuff. But there's a reason why gamers complain when certain games have bad input lag (prey comes to mind recently) making camera and aiming. controls feel sluggish.
Might not be as big an issue for those playing single player stuff. But there's a reason why gamers complain when certain games have bad input lag (prey comes to mind recently) making camera and aiming. controls feel sluggish.
I just had a long post about being able to notice after years of one-frame links on a 5ms monitor and trying the same on a 20ms and 32ms plasma, but decided not to bother with it. For fighting games and shmups, input lag matters to me, but not much anything else up until beyond ~35ms. Missing three frames in specific genres hurts. Other games not as much, but it starts to feel clumsy to play.
Since I don't play fighting games on my OLED (and would not, even if it had a much lower input lag), and many console games struggle to stay at a consistent 30fps in the first place and there are other things besides just input lag to consider, the 32ms my TV has is good enough for now for both console and PC games. I always use a controller when playing these games on the TV too. I wouldn't bother with a mouse. Anything timing sensitive gets played on the monitor though.
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Did you try Graphic mode instead of game mode?
That mode offers the same input lag but is way sharper due to the way the image is upscaled.
The quality of 4K Dolby vision/HDR movies on a Apple TV 4k are superb. I really find it amazing people are still talking about how much better a disc is over them; But don't take my word for it, take an experts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKCZpQN72c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKCZpQN72c
It is scene dependent and composition dependent grain or other components the hdr gradients and filmic grain look will still be superior on the bluray the bitrate is frequently twice or higher than the same scenes compared to digital
The audio quality is also significantly better on the bluray versions
I don't know why you quoted me.
I specifically said I wasn't that sensitive to input lag but at 50ms I can definitely start to notice that things aren't as quick as when input lag is about half that.
I can still play games like that save for rhythm games.
Fine. Go buy a Sony OLED TV, and don't forget spam Youtube comments saying, "SONY MAKES THE BEST TVs!!!" To justify your purchase of a TV that is dimmer, more ABL aggresive, and has more than double the input lag of an LG OLED.
Holy shitpost batman.
You don't even have to own more than 1 set when you can tell the difference in response by flicking between game and cinema mode on most TVs.
You don't even have to own more than 1 set when you can tell the difference in response by flicking between game and cinema mode on most TVs.
FWIW - My B7 that I received last week was a "Like-New" Amazon Warehouse item with the 20% discount, described as "packaging will be damaged".
The box was not damaged when it arrived, everything was sealed in and out of the box, and the TV had 0 hours usage on it. Granted, I may have just gotten super lucky (knock on wood), but the TV appears to be new.
Yeah, I've had very good luck with Amazon Warehouse personally.
Congrats on the brand new TV haha.
I've had the same experience with Amazon Warehouse: bought their "minor cosmetic issues" stuff (a couple of Denon receivers), and they looked pristine. YMMV, of course.
BILLY MAYS HERE, HOW DID YOU GET MY HOME ADDRESS?
BILLY MAYS HERE, HOW DID YOU GET MY HOME ADDRESS?
you're generally ok with amazon warehouse. also, if the condition isn't accurate they'll often offer you a discount on the price in lieu of you shipping it back
Was at Best Buy and impulse bought an open box X900E for $850 , did I make a mistake? Already setup, everything looks fantastic. No apparent screen issues. Love the remote compared to the Vizio I bought last year.
I mean, the disc is definitely better... esp audio wise
but for movie rentals or cheapo iTunes buys? the Apple TV versions look terrific.
Congrats on the TV!
Now go play Silent Hill alone in the dark if you haven't already.
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