Monopoly Mafia - Proletariat of the World Unite

DCPat said:

18 space range? There would be only 3 spaces I can't hit each night.

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You're right. Totally ignored range when considering that.

Well, I think nin was out of range from scum during N4, so they went after Brazil instead, like we discussed earlier.

If we believe DCPat's claim, that means ONLY Ketkat (Cat) could kill Brazil at N5:

Tokens inside the 12 range

Fandorin (Thimble) - In jail
Muffin (Top Hat) - Bombing somewhere
DCPat (Dog) - Blocking Strand
Kalor (Purse) - Blocked at Strand
Ketkat (Cat)


Zippedpinhead there are no contradictions on DCPat claimed blocks, at least on our own verifiable way. I think that's worth something.

Fandorin said:

You're right. Totally ignored range when considering that.

Well, I think nin was out of range from scum during N4, so they went after Brazil instead, like we discussed earlier.

If we believe DCPat's claim, that means ONLY Ketkat (Cat) could kill Brazil at N5:

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Those are at odds though. If scum team is Kalor + Ketkat, then Kalor (Purse) could reach nin at N4. They wouldn't know DCPat would block Strand and him with it.

Is it too crazy to think that nin is bullshiting us at that there is no medic in the game?

Fandorin said:

Is it too crazy to think that nin is bullshiting us at that there is no medic in the game?

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It crossed my mind, but I dismissed it because that would be extremely bold to claim from Nin and then even get away with it.

How about we lynch Kalor and put Ketkat on lockdown tonight? I don't think we should ignore our game long town read on Ketkat due to this.

On a small reread and it feels like nin is trying to get everyone other than Kalor lynched on D5.
Let's confirm our suspicions on Kalor first, and then think about Ketkat or nin later. We don't want someone so scummy read to be alive in Mylo.

I mean, D5 he had 4 voters on him, all of them town (Brazil, kyan, me and Zipped), wouldn't scum capitalize on that so far into the game? They couldn't know me and Zipped would claim mason and so clear the entire wagon voting for him on the very next day.

VOTE: Kalor

Fandorin said:

Is it too crazy to think that nin is bullshiting us at that there is no medic in the game?

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That's why I have my caveat in my Ketkat vote post. If anyone in that bottom left corner dies, nin is scum and should be lynched. It just takes someone dying to confirm.

DCPat said:

It crossed my mind, but I dismissed it because that would be extremely bold to claim from Nin and then even get away with it.

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I agree and it did cross my mind, hence the caveat.

Ugh. Just realized DCPat can't block Kat this phase. Why do I keep forgetting about the range? hahah.

Zippedpinhead said:

That's why I have my caveat in my Ketkat vote post. If anyone in that bottom left corner dies, nin is scum and should be lynched. It just takes someone dying to confirm.


I agree and it did cross my mind, hence the caveat.

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But that would only work if we hit scum with this lynch. By lynching Ketkat, nin's save would only protect the both of us. Scum can target anyone else instead, like Kalor (Purse) can just go for DCPat or Sophia.

DCPat and Kalor Interactions

Day 1 : No interaction
Day 2: No interaction
Day 3: https://www.resetera.com/posts/6538095 https://www.resetera.com/posts/6538692/ https://www.resetera.com/posts/6580327/
Day 4: https://www.resetera.com/posts/6657807/ https://www.resetera.com/posts/6726150/
Day 5:https://www.resetera.com/posts/6873710/ https://www.resetera.com/posts/6879860/ https://www.resetera.com/posts/6881518/

You can do Day 6 yourselves since that's today, but this is every interaction or even a mention of the other one those 2 have had the entire game. I was going to make it nice and fancy, but come on. Its like 8 posts total.

I will trust my partner with Kalor, can't just ignore that

vote: kalor

Ketkat said:

DCPat and Kalor Interactions

Day 1 : No interaction
Day 2: No interaction
Day 3: https://www.resetera.com/posts/6538095 https://www.resetera.com/posts/6538692/ https://www.resetera.com/posts/6580327/
Day 4: https://www.resetera.com/posts/6657807/ https://www.resetera.com/posts/6726150/
Day 5:https://www.resetera.com/posts/6873710/ https://www.resetera.com/posts/6879860/ https://www.resetera.com/posts/6881518/

You can do Day 6 yourselves since that's today, but this is every interaction or even a mention of the other one those 2 have had the entire game. I was going to make it nice and fancy, but come on. Its like 8 posts total.

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That's probably still more interactions than I've had with other people. I think I've interacted with you even less.

I'm sure spec chat is screaming at us for this flip flopping.

Kalor said:

That's probably still more interactions than I've had with other people. I think I've interacted with you even less.

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Sure, but I don't think our interactions matter as much. DCPat is vouching for you, and it helps to see if there's anything that might be sparking that.

Zippedpinhead said:

I'm sure spec chat is screaming at us for this flip flopping.

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Forget spec chat, I'm screaming at you all. This thread didn't move a damn bit between my post at 7:30 PM yesterday and when I went to bed at like 2 AM. I come back and check it now and it's moved mountains. >_>;

Yeah this is a huge mess of a day. I love it.

Of our three potential vote targets, I'm leaning Kalor and DCPat. Kalor's vanilla claim on Day 5 and DCPat's claim today both felt awful to me.

Sophia said:

Of our three potential vote targets, I'm leaning Kalor and DCPat. Kalor's vanilla claim on Day 5 and DCPat's claim today both felt awful to me.

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Who would you pick between the two?

VOTE : Kalor

Majority is 5, so keep that in mind

Vote: Kalor

Stupid space

I can't shake the feeling that Ketkat wants to lynch me today because lynching DC would prove that she might have been roleblocked and stopped the kill.

Kalor said:

Who would you pick between the two?

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I'm uncertain. The vote seems to be swinging towards you, however.

Mind walking me through your thought process as to why you claimed vanilla back in Day 5?

Sophia said:

I'm uncertain. The vote seems to be swinging towards you, however.

Mind walking me through your thought process as to why you claimed vanilla back in Day 5?

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Claiming was meant to help justify why I token claimed as it would show that I wasn't throwing a power role away if I ended up being targeted at night because of my token.

In retrospect, I shouldn't have claimed a role to make myself more of a target at night.

Kalor said:

I can't shake the feeling that Ketkat wants to lynch me today because lynching DC would prove that she might have been roleblocked and stopped the kill.

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No, here's my thought process behind voting for you because I was really tempted to vote for DC as well. I know that I'm town, so I know that I wasn't the one to submit the kill. So, my first thought was that DCPat was just lying and trying to cover you, which is still very possible. If that's the case, it doesn't matter which of you get lynched, it proves the same thing. However, there's also the chance that he's telling the truth and we've all been screwing around with the 12 space range way too much. Going for someone like you who has been consistently scumread for quite a few days but keeps barely making it by makes more sense than taking the risk of potentially killing a town roleblocker.

One thing that I thought is that we can't have both nin and DCPat as town.
I think we would have too many town PRs and DCPat role functions like some sort of medic as well.

Ugh.. this phase is hurting me.

Scum pairs: DCPat + Kalor, Kalor + Ketkat, nin + Kalor and nin + Sophia.

It's one of these I swear.

It's not any of those Kalor pairings. I can tell you that much.

sophia seems to be just skating through this game... how crazy would it be for Sophia to be one of the remaining scum?

Fandorin, why do you discount Ketkat + Sophia?

vote thoughts: We have never been at 4 votes on one person (allowing a one person sacrifice hammer), scum likely has two people, can't instant hammer a three voted person... Unless.

unvote

vote: ketkat

I'm clearing this, if DCPat isn't lying this is confirmed scum, so its who we should lynch.

If it flips town, we have at least one scum found (DCPat), because why lie about blocking? you don't have a reason to.

that leaves Sophia. T-Rex token. and I swear i've been scum reading this token forever, but it keeps getting swatted aside.

Zippedpinhead said:

If it flips town, we have at least one scum found (DCPat), because why lie about blocking? you don't have a reason to.

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... if you are town. I missed that.

Zippedpinhead said:

sophia seems to be just skating through this game... how crazy would it be for Sophia to be one of the remaining scum?

Fandorin, why do you discount Ketkat + Sophia?

vote thoughts: We have never been at 4 votes on one person (allowing a one person sacrifice hammer), scum likely has two people, can't instant hammer a three voted person... Unless.

unvote

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Didn't think about that pair actually. Sophia and nin make sense because they are right near each other my the board. If nin flips scum Sophia is guaranteed too.

Alright. Let's go for that then.

UNVOTE

Fandorin said:

Didn't think about that pair actually. Sophia and nin make sense because they are right near each other my the board. If nin flips scum Sophia is guaranteed too.

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Fill me in as to why that makes sense? Also, DCPat presumably just moved us. I should be near Muffin now.

I will probably follow the masons so kalor will get my vote.

I wont bw here for day end.
Since majority is at 5 and we are at 3 atm i will not put my vote down in order to not let anyone hammer.
But first
UNVOTE

Wait. Masons are going for ketkat now .?

Sophia said:

Fill me in as to why that makes sense? Also, DCPat presumably just moved us. I should be near Muffin now.

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Sorry, forgot to delve on this. If nin is lying and has no heal at all, that means scum is trying to throw shade at other tokens far from him at the start of D5 when he claimed.

When he didn't die the next day, we naturally assume that scum don't have him in range and focus on these players. While we do that, T-Rex skates by unnoticed. Just see how we are not even considering voting for you today.

That's how I see this pairing.

nin said:

Wait. Masons are going for ketkat now .?

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Me and Zipped can sort of confirm that DCPat blocked those spaces. It's not 100%, but considering the circumstances I'd say he's very lucky if he's scum.

Confirm might be too strong a word, I guess there are no contradictions with some considerable info we have.

Fandorin said:

Confirm might be too strong a word, I guess there are no contradictions with some considerable info we have.

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I see. So is your plan to actually go for DCPat when I turn up as town despite this? I'm curious how you have any considerable info as well

[QUOTE="Fandorin, post: 6996303, member: 1333]

Tokens inside the 12 range

Fandorin (Thimble) - In jail
Muffin (Top Hat) - Bombing somewhere
DCPat (Dog) - Blocking Strand
Kalor (Purse) - Blocked at Strand
Ketkat (Cat)
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With the supposed 12 spaces range for kills, and believing DCPat claim, you're literally the only player to be able to kill Brazil.

If he's lying about his block and you're town, then he's scum and dies tomorrow. That's the logic of it. I'll follow Zipped with it.

Meant to quote Ketkat there.

Hmm... you're making me feel uncomfortable with my vote, Fandorin. I wish I could see the information you all had.

Ketkat said:

I see. So is your plan to actually go for DCPat when I turn up as town despite this? I'm curious how you have any considerable info as well

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yes because liars get lynched. and if DCPat is town why would he lie about role blocking and who he blocked.

We have seen nothing to indicate that there is a role swapper or target swapper. so that leaves a "is he telling the truth or is he lying.

Lying means that either dog, hat or Purse killed Racecar yesterday. If hat wins the game, by being the bomber, then that leaves dog or Purse. Kalor was getting lynched until DCPat decided to throw shade on ketkat. So if DCPat is lying, we can very safely assume that both him and kalor are working together and can confirm it by lynching DCPat.

IF this is mylo, then congratulations to that team, but I don't think it is. death cards have already been used and no indication that scum or anyone else has another NK.

Its a risk, a calculated risk. DCPat essentially redchecked you, and if this game has EVER told me anything it is that you lynch the red checked player.

You don't give Bat-mite another day to play when all the Scum are Batman heroes...

Ah, I think I can share this after all.

Me and Zipped need to meet at night to be able to communicate in our private chat. We didn't meet tonight since I was in jail, so this is why we've been talking in the main thread like this.


Well, this is the first day this happened, and no one other than us knew this. DCPat blocks haven't hit either of us so far.

Fandorin said:

Ah, I think I can share this after all.

Me and Zipped need to meet at night to be able to communicate in our private chat. We didn't meet tonight since I was in jail, so this is why we've been talking in the main thread like this.


Well, this is the first day this happened, and no one other than us knew this. DCPat blocks haven't hit either of us so far.

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Wait, I'm confused. How does that confirm that DCPat blocked those spaces?

Sophia said:

Wait, I'm confused. How does that confirm that DCPat blocked those spaces?

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It doesn't, it just proves we have never been blocked.

We can't confirm or deny his blocks. We are trusting that he is who he says he is because Liars get lynched.

Zippedpinhead said:

yes because liars get lynched. and if DCPat is town why would he lie about role blocking and who he blocked.

We have seen nothing to indicate that there is a role swapper or target swapper. so that leaves a "is he telling the truth or is he lying.

Lying means that either dog, hat or Purse killed Racecar yesterday. If hat wins the game, by being the bomber, then that leaves dog or Purse. Kalor was getting lynched until DCPat decided to throw shade on ketkat. So if DCPat is lying, we can very safely assume that both him and kalor are working together and can confirm it by lynching DCPat.

IF this is mylo, then congratulations to that team, but I don't think it is. death cards have already been used and no indication that scum or anyone else has another NK.

Its a risk, a calculated risk. DCPat essentially redchecked you, and if this game has EVER told me anything it is that you lynch the red checked player.

You don't give Bat-mite another day to play when all the Scum are Batman heroes...

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Oh for sure. I 100% understand why you guys are voting for me and I'd do the same thing in your position. However, it is possible that both me and DCPat are telling the truth and we've been playing with this assumption on range too much. We're nearing the end of the game and you need to be careful because there's not really any room for 2 mislynches at this point. Just be thorough is all I'm asking since I haven't seen much rereading being brought up today

Ketkat said:

Oh for sure. I 100% understand why you guys are voting for me and I'd do the same thing in your position. However, it is possible that both me and DCPat are telling the truth and we've been playing with this assumption on range too much. We're nearing the end of the game and you need to be careful because there's not really any room for 2 mislynches at this point. Just be thorough is all I'm asking since I haven't seen much rereading being brought up today

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19 spaces, Brazil was 19 spaces from T-Rex ( which is the token you are saying killed Racecar because you are not arguing Muffin as Scum killer nor are you arguing Nin as scum, his is 18 spaces btw)

If scum has two players that can kill over 18 spaces, why even have target space limitations for the other two? There are 40 spaces in monopoly, 20 space range is infinite range. its doesn't make any sense to have two players with unlimited range and have at least one with almost half that range.