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PLASTICA-MAN

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Oct 26, 2017
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I failed to realise this until now. There is really soemthing going in this game. The snake is already there from the future and also Atreus knows the legend of Skoll and Hati. they are both the sons of Fenrir who is the son of Loki. I wonder how time paradoxes like these did happen. What if like I said before, the coming of Kratos changed everything, the real Farbauti was going to give birth to Loki who would have kept this name and not having Atreus instead with Spartan rage and Origins. Also Maybe Loki is really a sperate character now that happened in the future timeline from the serpent came, but not just him both Loki, Fnerir and his sons Skoll and Hati came from that timeline too.
 

Blade Wolf

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Oct 27, 2017
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Taiwan
Fuck, now I want to play Hellblade.

Question, how enjoyable it is from a gameplay standpoint? Is the experience solely dependent on the story? Is it one of those games where you have to like the story to enjoy the game?

Basically what I'm asking is, is Hellblade a good video game?
 

Spartancarver

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Oct 27, 2017
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Fuck, now I want to play Hellblade.

Question, how enjoyable it is from a gameplay standpoint, is it one of those games where you have to like the story to enjoy the game?

Yeah gameplay wise it's a bit on the shallower side, certainly nowhere near GoW. But it's so good from an audiovisual standpoint and makes really unique use of positional audio + their depiction of the auditory hallucinations in schizophrenia.

I really enjoyed it but the gameplay is probably the weakest aspect. Great story and not too long of a campaign so I think it's worth a playthrough.
 

Ravelle

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Oct 31, 2017
17,814
I failed to realise this until now. There is really soemthing going in this game. The snake is already there from the future and also Atreus knows the legend of Skoll and Hati. they are both the sons of Fenrir who is the son of Loki. I wonder how time paradoxes like these did happen. What if like I said before, the coming of Kratos changed everything, the real Farbauti was going to give birth to Loki who would have kept this name and not having Atreus instead with Spartan rage and Origins. Also Maybe Loki is really a sperate character now that happened in the future timeline from the serpent came, but not just him both Loki, Fnerir and his sons Skoll and Hati came from that timeline too.

Fenrir is also mentioned a couple of times including the magical chains brok and sindri made.

The whole thing is odd, everything seems to have happened while everything still needs to happen.
 
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dbcyber

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Oct 25, 2017
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The gauntlet is great in GOW but does its ability change depending on the gems used out of the 6? What combination makes it more power or gives homing ability?
 

Amnixia

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Jan 25, 2018
10,432
I disagree. I'd probably say its more like a season of TV. They wrap up the main plot lines introduced here, while seeding plenty of potential for the future. Its easy to see where things will likely go but this game doesn't really provide clear motivations for Kratos and Atreus to faceoff with Odin/Thor, discover the whereabouts of Tyr, or bring about Ragnarok.

Outside of Baldur and Thor's kids being sent after them by Odin?
I'll agree with locating Thyr.
 

bunkitz

Brave Little Spark
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Oct 28, 2017
13,529
Going by the Jötnar shrines and other things, we know for sure that Loki's children already exist in the current timeline. The World Serpent is known by others and not just from when he showed up in the Lake of Nine. It makes me think then that Atreus will eventually travel back in time to long before the events of the game. He'll meet Angrboða, have the children, and all the different things involving them would happen. Fenrir will be chained, Hel would rule over Hel, Jörmungandr will be tossed into the ocean, etc. Then all the stories about them will be made, and people will know about them, the giants will make their shrines, and so on and so forth.

I don't think Kratos changed anything up, not exactly. It just so happens that time travel is involved. It's not like Jörmungandr and the others would exist without them, so they're necessary.

Hel isn't accounted for, though, which I'm very curious about.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The OST really is amazing. Though, there was one thing that caught my attention on part of The Summit when I think Kratos reveals Atreus is Loki -- the musical note changes into something sinister/corrupt/mysterious exactly like Gollum's theme.

Might just be a coincidence, but with discussions here of a possible split personality, I thought it was interesting to point out. Either way, makes me think Loki will be malevolent or at least ambiguous.
 

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For some reason I feel like Norse will be a duology before they move on. They have three realms left to explore, I feel it would be spread a bit thin over two more games
 

Dust

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Oct 25, 2017
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So am I supposed to take that Arteus who did not listen to Kratos was actually a different personality?
Why else Arteus would be so shocked in Hel when seeing that vision, he says he did not remember doing that.
 

Mubrik_

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Dec 7, 2017
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Hmmm maybe I'll try the other challenges again. Playing on GMaC which isn't making it easier. I know I can lower the difficulty, but I feel like keeping it.

Yeah, I mean the workshop. So, after defeating the Valkyrie I should just run around collecting mist echos to open the chests there?

Yup. The 2 rooms in the center will spawn some other enemies the chest in the center area will give you anchor of fog which you use to open the rift.
 

Ravelle

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Oct 31, 2017
17,814
Really? Wow. I must have missed that then. Something is really happening in this game. Many surprises await us in order to understand connection of the events that led to this.

Mimir talks about it at one point but even more crazy is that mimir talks about the giant taking the form of a common builder that promises to build the war for asgard against the giants which ends up in the Freya/Giant marriage story and out of that it spins in to Loki taking the form of a horse to lure away and seduce the giant's super horses so he can't finish his work, that super horse ends up mating with Loki and one of loki's other children is born, the horse with 8 legs and horse of Odin, SLEIPNIR.
 

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So am I supposed to take that Arteus who did not listen to Kratos was actually a different personality?
Why else Arteus would be so shocked in Hel when seeing that vision, he says he did not remember doing that.

Hmmm, what if the Santa monicas interpretation of Loki as being a trickster is split personalities? Even the mythologies he's sometimes good, sometimes bad. The dual nature of the child was a big deal when Freya was talking about it. I have a hard time believing they'd drop it, especially since Cory said they inadvertently wrote some story for god of war 2 already
 

DigitalOp

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Nov 16, 2017
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Finally finished this. What a game. So much to unpack. So Loki is his child..... And he foresaw his death? Why did it look like both of them were getting killed? Looked like Kratos' head was smashed in....

I guess the full canon ending is that Thor pulls up on em
 

Dust

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Hmmm, what if the Santa monicas interpretation of Loki as being a trickster is split personalities? Even the mythologies he's sometimes good, sometimes bad. The dual nature of the child was a big deal when Freya was talking about it. I have a hard time believing they'd drop it, especially since Cory said they inadvertently wrote some story for god of war 2 already
Yeah, I believe Arteus will have demons of his own to handle.
Kratos had his constant pain of killing his family and endless rage, while Arteus will be balancing between doing good and evil due to his nature. I definitely do not see him as just "goody two shoes" character.

Absorbing black rune might have something to do with it.
 

PLASTICA-MAN

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Oct 26, 2017
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Mimir talks about it at one point but even more crazy is that mimir talks about the giant taking the form of a common builder that promises to build the war for asgard against the giants which ends up in the Freya/Giant marriage story and out of that it spins in to Loki taking the form of a horse to lure away and seduce the giant's super horses so he can't finish his work, that super horse ends up mating with Loki and one of loki's other children is born, the horse with 8 legs and horse of Odin, SLEIPNIR.

And the horse that we saw Atreus playing with and that comes in the Stone Mason edition has 6 legs and not 8 so we don't know what he is really. Too many confusing things in this game.
 

PLASTICA-MAN

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Oct 26, 2017
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For some reason I feel like Norse will be a duology before they move on. They have three realms left to explore, I feel it would be spread a bit thin over two more games

I think Vanaheim is huge to explore and constitues the big realm of one of the main warring factions. The next game can focus on it and revisit the previous realms and let us visit the Dwarven realm too. The main focus of the third and last game would be a huge and somptuous Asgard like Olympus in GOW3.
 

Ravelle

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Oct 31, 2017
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I did some research about the runic system and what they meant and pulled up that last panel, runes mean different things but a couple of things stand out. Mainly Tyr, Odin. thor and the name Yngvi also known as Frey, Freya's brother.
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bar_bar12

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Oct 26, 2017
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So wait, if there's prophecies about everything that will occur in the future, why isn't Loki mentioned anywhere?
 

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I think Vanaheim is huge to explore and constitues the big realm of one of the main warring factions. The next game can focus on it and revisit the previous realms and let us visit the Dwarven realm too. The main focus of the third and last game would be a huge and somptuous Asgard like Olympus in GOW3.
For some reason I feel like Norse will be a duology before they move on. They have three realms left to explore, I feel it would be spread a bit thin over two more games
I think that the next game will open up Midgard a lot more because Thor is bringing the fight to Kratos. Also, we will definitely be returning Alfheim to learn more about the conflict between light and dark elves and there is no way were are not fighting that giant eagle in Helheim lol. Going further, we spent like 10 mins in Jotunheim, and that'll be one of the most interesting realms to explore. Asgard/Valhalla can definitely be saved for the third game and done BIG on PS5.
 

Toth

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Oct 26, 2017
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All through the final fight, I was thinking "Does Cory know that in the myths/ Edda, Loki (using Hod) to kill Baldur was the start of events that lead to Ragnarok?" Lo and behold, we come back from Joutenheim and the final winter has started. Brilliant twist for this Norse myth fan :D
 

spiderferi

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Apr 15, 2018
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According to Norse legends, Giants are made of the mixture of ice, fire and a poisonous substance, which name I've forgotten, and because of that, unlike gods, they are not capable of being "very good" and tend to lean towards being a bit evil sometimes.

Maybe Loki's giant persona plays a factor in him acting arrogantly mid-game? Plus, Kratos has his own "rage" genes to pass too.
 

bunkitz

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Oct 28, 2017
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I think that the next game will open up Midgard a lot more because Thor is bringing the fight to Kratos. Also, we will definitely be returning Alfheim to learn more about the conflict between light and dark elves and there is no way were are not fighting that giant eagle in Helheim lol. Going further, we spent like 10 mins in Jotunheim, and that'll be one of the most interesting realms to explore. Asgard/Valhalla can definitely be saved for the third game and done BIG on PS5.
I'm certain the other realms will be revisited and expanded upon, but I don't think that's what we'd be returning to Alfheim for. Mimir pretty much covered the entire thing, explaining that it's a pointless conflict where neither side knows why they're even fighting. It's just been going on for generations. What they are most likely going to tackle is the Light Elves themselves and their creepy obsession with Freyr.

As for the giant eagle in Helheim, I doubt we'll fight it either. If the theory in its identity is correct, then it's simply a force of nature that will signal the coming of Ragnarök. Plus, Kratos doesn't go out of his way to kill things now, so I doubt he'd pick a fight with it.

Asgard being saved up for the last game would make sense, especially since they're most likely going to save up Odin for then too. Vanaheim could be explored in the second game already, though. With how things were left with Freya, she's sure to play a much larger role, so Vanaheim might be touched upon quite a bit.
 

Deimos

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Oct 25, 2017
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So, that last image on the mural was Kratos and Atreus getting killed by something?
I think it's Atreus holding a dead/wounded Kratos(?). The fact that it doesn't show the tattoo makes me question if it's Kratos but it's most likely him. According to reddit, the runes translate to Betrayal, Death, Father, Disaster.
 

DigitalOp

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Nov 16, 2017
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All through the final fight, I was thinking "Does Cory know that in the myths/ Edda, Loki (using Hod) to kill Baldur was the start of events that lead to Ragnarok?" Lo and behold, we come back from Joutenheim and the final winter has started. Brilliant twist for this Norse myth fan :D

BOY! There are consequences to killing Gods.
 

Kelegacy

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Nov 12, 2017
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Fighting Thor in the next game is a given. Maybe in 3 years? (the time in-game is 3 years I think) Going back to your house and sleeping post-game shows Thor, but he isn't as I expected. At first I thought it was Odin. Both not appearing in this game is a bit of a let down, but the game was so frackin' long even without them.
 

Y2Kev

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fuck, now I want to play Hellblade.

Question, how enjoyable it is from a gameplay standpoint? Is the experience solely dependent on the story? Is it one of those games where you have to like the story to enjoy the game?

Basically what I'm asking is, is Hellblade a good video game?
It's enjoyable enough. There's not that much combat. The puzzles are super simple. The audio is probably the highlight but there are some very cool sequences. It focuses on some of the gods / entities not mentioned or focused on in GoW, like Surtr and Valraven (who is not really a Norse thing I think). The Valraven level is incredible-- it's almost survival horror like.
 

PerilousInJ

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Oct 25, 2017
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I thought for sure that Sindri was going to be Loki after just casually handing over mistletoe arrows. Nice twist with the ending there. I don't know if there will be a time travel element or if they will just pick a choose what they take from Norse mythology. Maybe in their version these creatures aren't all related to Loki.
 

Sully

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Oct 25, 2017
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Finally beat SIgurn after 3 hours by the skin of my teeth, the advise given here in this thread was sound, build vitality, mist send for health regen, and a lot of patience
 

TheRatedD

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Apr 15, 2018
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Finished this game last night. Absolutely fantastic. The story has far more depth to it than I initially thought. The boss fights were epic, as expected. And the visuals were insane. But in the end, my favorite part of the game has to be when you get the blades. Everything about that sequence was amazing. And with the full backstory of the blades and all, it was so epic. And the way the blades control is perfect, along with implementing all the old moves to this new control setup. I'm beyond impressed with this game.
 

The_Land

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Oct 27, 2017
2,390
Cleveland Ohio
Kind of disappointed where the game ended. We didn't even visit half of the realms. What's the point of them being there if they aren't even included in the main story. Feels very half baked to me.
 

TheRatedD

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Apr 15, 2018
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Kind of disappointed where the game ended. We didn't even visit half of the realms. What's the point of them being there if they aren't even included in the main story. Feels very half baked to me.
The devs said in play tests people thought it was weird that in dealing with the tree, they couldn't see all the realms, so they included them in the final game, but not as places to visit right now.
 

The_Land

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Oct 27, 2017
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The devs said in play tests people thought it was weird that in dealing with the tree, they couldn't see all the realms, so they included them in the final game, but not as places to visit right now.
Yeah I literally thought the game was half way over when we spread mom's ashes and I see the credits rolling and I was like what the fuck I don't want this to be over.
 

RalchAC

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Oct 27, 2017
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So am I supposed to take that Arteus who did not listen to Kratos was actually a different personality?
Why else Arteus would be so shocked in Hel when seeing that vision, he says he did not remember doing that.

I thought that he was trying to give Kratos some space and wait until his father wanted to talk to him about it.
 

nded

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Nov 14, 2017
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According to Norse legends, Giants are made of the mixture of ice, fire and a poisonous substance, which name I've forgotten, and because of that, unlike gods, they are not capable of being "very good" and tend to lean towards being a bit evil sometimes.
Sounds like Eitr, the primordial goop from which all flesh emerged and will eventually decay into. I believe even the Aesir are made of the stuff, so I wonder if it's the fire or ice that makes giants disagreeable.

Jormugandr even put some Eitr in Kratos' axe, for some reason. Maybe it'll come up in the next game.