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Destiny 2: Warmind |OT| Mars Attacks!
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I'd like to point out that Bungie said that EP is balanced for a fireteam of 3 people at max light.
And that the guys at the summit said it was too easy then and so Bungie made it harder.
So if you all need 7-9 people to beat it....maybe you are just bad? 8)
And that the guys at the summit said it was too easy then and so Bungie made it harder.
So if you all need 7-9 people to beat it....maybe you are just bad? 8)
I see PXG is still incredibly toxic to the community.
Jesus Christ, why would you even admit to being a jerk like that?
Jesus Christ, why would you even admit to being a jerk like that?
Honestly, the escalation protocol thing is just badly designed, period.
Got to phase 6 very easily, but then suddenly 3 of the 8 people doing it couldn't do any damage. Way to put a cap on skill Bungie and just fall back on numbers. That isn't "hard", that's just lazy.
Got to phase 6 very easily, but then suddenly 3 of the 8 people doing it couldn't do any damage. Way to put a cap on skill Bungie and just fall back on numbers. That isn't "hard", that's just lazy.
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If you're underleveled when you die it will say in the top right on the death screen "recommended level 320."
I can't remember if that mission is 310 or 320, although it will say on your map what the recommended level is. Did you do all the missions on mars before going back to
the EDZ ? There would have been two orange icons (adventure or side story missions) that opened up after the first story mission, if you did those, you'll raise your level a bit.
We do ask people to leave. Sometimes they do.
I'm 384. I know players at 385. No way you can beat the final boss with 3 players, under normal circumstances. I'm sure the super try hard streamers will for pure spectacle at some point, with some ridiculous, ultra precise strat. But beyond that, it's not really something that is possible. You need more people, even at max light.
The vast majority of the time, those randoms aren't even doing EP or have interest in doing it. If a session is running, we back out and find a new instance. It's not like want to fuck people over on purpose. If someone is booted, they can easily fly back to Mars and continue doing patrols, getting sleeper nodes, or whatever they were doing. It's not like they're in a strike or story mission. At worst, they'll have to wait another 30 seconds to touch down on Mars again and continue on with their business. So, are they really at an inconvenience? Yeah, in principle it's lame. Everyone agrees it is.
Bungie needs a better solution. But I'm not A) waiting a month or MONTHS to play content that is available right now (content I paid for at that) and B) waiting, God knows how long, to finally get paired with a random group that is actually interested and capable of bestobe EP. That just won't happen.
I'm not going to apologise for wanting to play the game. I'm at the level to play to experience end game activities. It's not my fault Bungie didn't think things through properly or understands the basic needs of their players.
We're talking about a company that put out Destiny 2 built around Eververse. Obviously they're not averse to shitty behavior. They'd probably throw PXG a party and then hire him. But seriously, Bungie constantly touts the fact fact that there's no matchmaking for hard content because they dont want players to have a bad experience and then they release a new game mode that is seemingly built to ensure players have a terrible experience. And then gamers point fingers at other gamers for finding ways around Bungie's shitty setup.
Correct.
Make it a timed event with a min LL and match-make those into the EP at the same time, the same way it works for crucible, etc. I'm sure they can find a way to make the servers work for that...
Going to take my sweet ass time .. "I'm a 346 that plays like a 364"
Admittedly, we ran into a random yesterday trying to the EP with us. My brother joined his fireteam since it was set to open and we were able to get a total of 6 players to attempt the waves. Random player was cool with it, though he was too low level. We ended up getting to wave... 5 I think? No real rewards as far as I could see, but it was chaotic and I had fun overall. No booting anyone on our end (lol), but I'm not sure how people are realistically expected to do this with the given time limit, especially when it seems like there's so few players around when we're running this. I just hope that a few weeks from now, when people are more suitably leveled up, that there will be people interested in engaging in the activity.
You know, I saw you and Chaf playing the other night, was thinking about jumping into the party chat to at least say hi to everyone. Raids we ran back then during the days of Oryx were pretty fun.
Yeah, no. That isn't an excuse for inviting people into a group and then booting them. And Eververse (a bad business practice) is not the same thing as what PXG said he does (a person being purposefully mean and toxic to another person).
Bungie needs to correct this problem by allowing in-game matchmaking/LFG for all activities finally. But what he admitting to doing is inexcusable.
You join them and make them make you the fireteam leader.
Then you boot them.
Like a true hero.
Bungie needs to allow fireteams of 6 for EP. The problem is that by the time they implement this change the community will have already reached max light level making it moot.
Creating an MMO, or MMO-lite, without LFG is also inexcusable. Creating a game mode that requires 9 players to complete but only allowing fireteams of 3 to group up is inexcusable. Bungie's disdain for their player base is inexcusable....and yes, what PXG is doing is inexcusable. I find it hard to fault him and his team though since they're just adapting to the shitty framework Bungie implemented.
DEZ!!!!! Months from now when everyone is 385, we'll be bitching that EP is too easy. Grind to get to 385 (like the way Destiny has always been). Conquer said activity with the recommended light level .. move on to the next.
Lol. I'd be all "Sure buddy, here's my paypal. Send me a nice amount and you'll get your fireteam leader" and then flip em off lol
EP is supposed to be done at max light level. It's not an activity that's supposed to raise your PL, it's an activity supposed to give you unique loot you can't get anywhere else.
It would be great if you could patrol with 6 people, but I'm more thinking that however this engine works would not be able to run things properly. It's finicky enough as it is. Since the early marketing of the gave was all about 4v4, 4's this and that, I would have liked to at least see patrols in groups of 4's.
Also, bring back 6v6 as a permanent playlist. It's great.
Also, bring back 6v6 as a permanent playlist. It's great.
I mean, not being a dick might be good.
You were probably a new player who just wanted to play and learn from others at some point.
Oh here we go...
Did you read my post. Nope, you didn't.
I LITERALLY did it ONCE, last night, and only last night, because I was the only player available to do it. I've made it clear to my friends that I refuse to do it any longer. If they choose to, that's their business. I can't stop them.
I'm POINTING OUT a massive flaw in Bungie's design and their gross lack of forethought when it comes to Escalation Protocol. I'm honest about what's going on and voicing that, yes, it's a shitty way of going about it. I'm not proud of it. I don't think it's okay.
So please, stop the finger pointing, the drama and high horse bullshit. I want this fixed and addressed as much as you and everyone else. It's stupid, dumb, unfair and all Bungie's fault for not having a better system.
You don't know what toxic actually is. Getting yelled at, screamed at, cursed at, in raids or trials is toxic. Getting booted in the middle of trials or before killing a boss is toxic. People who do that, give the game a bad name. Happens all day, every day, unfortunately. Thats what hurts the community.
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Yeah bungie did claim that EP was tuned by them to be completed by a 3 person fire team. Not sure if that's before or after they tweaked difficulty in response to the community summit feedback:
https://blog.us.playstation.com/201...-2s-new-endgame-activity-escalation-protocol/
Second, we've deliberately tuned Escalation Protocol to be achievable by the most prepared and coordinated max-level 3 person fireteams for the Warmind expansion. Taking on this event with only three people is harrowing but not impossible, so any additional fireteams who join the event will relieve the pressure on that core well-geared fireteam to coordinate their strategy for any given wave.
I helped out some clan who sent me a message on XBL and invited two of their clan mates to my fire team, if they had asked to become fireteam lead I would have known it was because they were trying to kick me and been annoyed. They didn't so we tried to 6-person it and only could do the first level to unlock their and my Sleeper quests (they and I were pretty underleveled at 340-350 range I think).
The idea of having this event be in the public space is cool but bungie really needs to create a way to have more than 3 people join each other in an instance to avoid this kind of behavior from the players (unfortunately I think we all know that isn't coming for quite a while if ever). PXG isn't the only one to be doing this, I even heard the host of a destiny podcast say on the podcast they kicked a blueberry after being made fireteam lead although they apologized and claimed it was a miscommunication of their team mate not telling the blueberry they'd be kicked... they were kind of cavalier about it but I could see that really putting a dent in someone's night.
https://blog.us.playstation.com/201...-2s-new-endgame-activity-escalation-protocol/
Second, we've deliberately tuned Escalation Protocol to be achievable by the most prepared and coordinated max-level 3 person fireteams for the Warmind expansion. Taking on this event with only three people is harrowing but not impossible, so any additional fireteams who join the event will relieve the pressure on that core well-geared fireteam to coordinate their strategy for any given wave.
I helped out some clan who sent me a message on XBL and invited two of their clan mates to my fire team, if they had asked to become fireteam lead I would have known it was because they were trying to kick me and been annoyed. They didn't so we tried to 6-person it and only could do the first level to unlock their and my Sleeper quests (they and I were pretty underleveled at 340-350 range I think).
The idea of having this event be in the public space is cool but bungie really needs to create a way to have more than 3 people join each other in an instance to avoid this kind of behavior from the players (unfortunately I think we all know that isn't coming for quite a while if ever). PXG isn't the only one to be doing this, I even heard the host of a destiny podcast say on the podcast they kicked a blueberry after being made fireteam lead although they apologized and claimed it was a miscommunication of their team mate not telling the blueberry they'd be kicked... they were kind of cavalier about it but I could see that really putting a dent in someone's night.
I did. That's why I replied.
I mean, yes.
But also, you, doing that. And you, being rude to people right here in Destiny threads, when you tell them they "don't know what they're talking about" as if you're the end all almighty Destiny player.
Both toxic things can exist.
I am well aware what it is supposed to be but there are currently people who are at or near max light and they have to come up with convoluted ways to form up teams. If Bungie would allow for fireteams of 6 that would be a good solution in my mind. The problem is that bygghe time Bungie addresses this issue it will have become moot.
Bootjacking a party/team was a massive dick move in Halo 2 and it's still a massive dick move today. Don't do it.
Yup. Everything always seems insurmountable in the beginning. People will figure things out, we'll make it through and wonder how we ever struggled, aside from the LL requirement. I just hope this activity has legs, because from what I've played it's really fun (and somewhat performance destroying).
They just need to give more matchmaking options. If I go start an Heroic Adventure, a simple matchmake or nah option should be there. It'll probably take a while but it would be helpful for people that want to use it.
The Division was able to do that shit for all their content. Are the people at Massive Wizards?
The Division was able to do that shit for all their content. Are the people at Massive Wizards?
Maybe Bungie shouldn't allow players of all levels to grief everyone else by starting EP and running away then. If they built it to be a 380-385 activity, dont let anyone below that level start the encounter.
Mars in general is performance heavy. A lot of activity going on .. compared to the other planets. I have a PS4 Pro and it stresses the hell out of it. Doesn't help doing high level activities and missing shots due to lag and the screen turning into a slideshow.
You booting people from an instance like that is just as toxic if not more.
As always, Bungie puts zero thought into their mechanics or game systems. The 3 guys on the live team aren't going to suddenly have a fix for this so expect it to continue.
I don't kick randoms. Done a whole bunch of EP and never kicked anyone. Just invite them, tell them what you're doing and they will usually leave nicely, heck you can even offer to help them with something for providing an instance in the same patrol zone.
But yes, getting a 9 person instance takes time and effort, especially on consoles. Further, the 9 people should know what they are doing and be high enough PL to do it.
This, again? Really?
You can believe whatever narrative you want about me, dude. I'm never going to convince you of anything else, no matter what. I won't bother. You might as well put me on ignore if you loathe me that much.
In all seriousness I have no issues with you. I don't know what chord I struck with you though. But hey, it is what it is.
I reply to the posts you make. Nothing more than that. I've seen you be rude to people in Destiny threads and I'm now seeing you admit to something factually toxic to the community.
If you don't want people taking issue with inviting kids into a party just to boot them, at least don't publicly admit something so crappy.
This is the CAN DO attitude that will one day carry us to the promise land.
I. AM. NOT. THE. ONE. BOOTING. PLAYERS. FROM. THE. INSTANCE.
I. HAVE. ONLY. DONE. IT. ONCE. AND. ONLY. ONCE. AND. SINCE. THEN. I. HAVE. REFUSED. TO. DO. IT. AGAIN.
I'm merely reporting and discussing the issue. Geez...So put down your goddamn pitchforks. Hell, if weren't for me, y'all wouldn't be aware it was even a thing. I actually mentioned it a few days ago too, but nobody noticed. I want Bungie to recognize this problem.
I want this fixed ASAP. But in the meantime, I'll do EP with my friends in whatever way I can. I personally won't take part in booting players. I don't like it. I don't want that responsibility. I'm with all of you in that it's a shitty thing. I don't know how I can be clearer about that.
I. HAVE. ONLY. DONE. IT. ONCE. AND. ONLY. ONCE. AND. SINCE. THEN. I. HAVE. REFUSED. TO. DO. IT. AGAIN.
I'm merely reporting and discussing the issue. Geez...So put down your goddamn pitchforks. Hell, if weren't for me, y'all wouldn't be aware it was even a thing. I actually mentioned it a few days ago too, but nobody noticed. I want Bungie to recognize this problem.
I want this fixed ASAP. But in the meantime, I'll do EP with my friends in whatever way I can. I personally won't take part in booting players. I don't like it. I don't want that responsibility. I'm with all of you in that it's a shitty thing. I don't know how I can be clearer about that.
If only players tried as hard to dogpile a boss during EP as they do here when someone says something they remotely find offensive.
People either don't have keys yet or dont know what to do with them, but seeing low levels attempt to hurt the first boss with their ARs and other guns is just funny/sad. Grab the glowy orange balls, dummies.
People either don't have keys yet or dont know what to do with them, but seeing low levels attempt to hurt the first boss with their ARs and other guns is just funny/sad. Grab the glowy orange balls, dummies.
Naw man, you kicked someone from a random patrol instance, so you're just as bad (if not worse!) as griefers shouting the n-word over the mic.
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Since I have two Xboxes I wonder if that would be a good way to get 6 people together in an instance for EP without having to ask blueberries or kick them.
I saw someone on Reddit say they are a husband and wife and because they play on the same network they get zoned together even without being in a fireteam. Could probably do the same thing by powerleveling an alt XBL account and buying another copy of destiny, lol. I'm not hardcore enough to do that though.
I saw someone on Reddit say they are a husband and wife and because they play on the same network they get zoned together even without being in a fireteam. Could probably do the same thing by powerleveling an alt XBL account and buying another copy of destiny, lol. I'm not hardcore enough to do that though.
I apologize than for what I said. I agree with you it's a shitty thing to happen.
No, PXG is right about Escalation protocol. It needs a rethinking.
You don't need to apologize. But thank you.
A lot of toxicity in Destiny is enabled by Bungie themselves. No in game LFG. No six man patrols. Implementing both would make the game far more accessible and warranty a much smoother user experience. It's all feasible. I've been voicing my desire for those things for years.
Do you get a leveled engram for this? Helping sounds nice & all, but I expect something for my time & will not tolerate failure.