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Oct 25, 2017
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Makes me wonder where does the mystery woman fit in all this?
It was theorised that she was Ellie's mother, but after this gameplay that theory's a bust.
 

Patitoloco

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Oct 27, 2017
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Neil has already implied in interviews that Joel plays a significant role in the game.

Indeed, as the representation of Ellie possibly making a mistake in the past and Joel paying the price with his life, hauting Ellie for the rest of her life.

God knows what will happen in this game, at this point it's all theories lol
 

blinky

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Oct 27, 2017
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This looks fantastic, but I was one of the people who found Uncharted 4 to be a huge disappointment. I am probably going to hold off on this and wait for user impressions.
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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Because the writer said she was when asked about it after the release of Left Behind?

Death of the author states we don't care what the author says he intended.

However, they have literally only ever showed Ellie to be romantically involved with women and had an entire DLC be her coming of age story and break out of her sexuality as a growing child.

Ergo, she is gay until we see evidence otherwise.

Makes sense, but we only saw the first gameplay for the second part. Also, that picture with pregnant woman, some people thought it's Ellie.

Unless you missed Left Behind, Ellie had an entire side story about her sexuality being shown and a major part of her character arc for the original game and clearly in this game.
 

Voorhees

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Nov 20, 2017
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Not to derail the charming "Is Ellie Gay" conversation, but did anyone notice that in the dance sequence that Ellie doesn't seem to have the bite marks on her neck that she did in the first trailer?
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Not to derail the charming "Is Ellie Gay" conversation, but did anyone notice that in the dance sequence that Ellie doesn't seem to have the bite marks on her neck that she did in the first trailer?

That first trailer was just a tone piece, it doesn't have anything to do with the actual game. It was just a reveal sorta thing.
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think the focus on the kiss relates to how many people tried to dismiss Ellie's sexuality after the Left Behind DLC. It was not uncommon on various sites to see comments saying that players could not call Ellie a lesbian or queer because the kiss was too "ambiguous". Or that Ellie was too young to have a real sexual preference.

In a broader sense I think it relates to the sort of catch 22 queer representation seems to have. Many people online like to say they are fine with queer characters so long as their sexuality is not crammed down the audience's throat. However when their sexuality is not directly stated many will, as seen with Ellie, try to claim they are not really queer.

I think many fans are feeling happy about the kiss not because they were surprised Ellie is a lesbian, but because it demonstrated that her sexuality would not just be an informed attribute that could be casually ignored. Ellie is gay, and that will have an impact on her character's story.

I hope this explains a little about why some people are really excited.
The reality is those people are absolutely not ok with queer characters, they only say they are to avoid backlash. "Crammed down my throat" really just means "depicted on-screen in any way", and as you say, when they're not depicted on screen these people try to downplay or deny the character's queerness. The character is either not queer, or rammed down your throat, there's no winning with them because they don't want queer characters to exist, period.
 

Heckler456

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not to derail the charming "Is Ellie Gay" conversation, but did anyone notice that in the dance sequence that Ellie doesn't seem to have the bite marks on her neck that she did in the first trailer?
I believe Druckman has come out and said that the first trailer isn't actually an ingame sequence. So I'm not sure if we should be taking anything away from that in terms of implications on the story.
 

Yuuber

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's really amazing what Sony studios have been able to do with a mature hardware. If we had any doubts about TLOUS2 looking as good, if not better than GoW, we can now rest assured.

As for Ellie as a lesbian, I thought it was a beautiful scene. The brutality does not offend me, but it is very explicit indeed. Naught Dog.... you are the best studio IMO.
 

OutofMana

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Oct 25, 2017
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After reading the PS blog and finding out she is in Jackson, Wyoming i'm super excited. We are going to be able to see Yellowstone national park and probably explore that area before heading to Seattle, Washington.

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DigitalOp

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Nov 16, 2017
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Shows Ellie kissing girl lovingly

"Is Ellie gay?"



The cognitive abilities of some posters here are pretty trash it seems....
 

Stairouais

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Oct 25, 2017
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This kind of "small' things drives me nuts.

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I often do this with my lips in real life. These animators are wizards.
 
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mindsale

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Oct 29, 2017
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She bit David under threat of infection, but can freely kiss Dina? It would be super fucked up if Ellie infected her and leveled the town.
 

RocknRola

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Oct 25, 2017
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The official PS video on YT already has 2.2M+ views, but other channels/sites like Gamespot, IGN, Gamersyde, etc are also "stealing" (per say) some views from that. IGN and Gamespot for example already have ~300k views each.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I hope Ellie can swim and they have a pallet gag in the game.

They did in Lost Legacy with the boxes.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The trailer looked amazing and the lesbian representation doesn't bother me one bit but I feel like I've had enough of realistic gore and violence (at least as a main gameplay mechanic). Do I really want to come back home after a long work day to play this?
 

EssCee

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Oct 27, 2017
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Naughty Dog animators are not from this planet

The amount of detail they put into this is mind blowing
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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Every time I see a guy and girl kiss I'm gonna start asking if they are actually gay and if their not just really good friends.
 

TheDarkKnight

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Oct 25, 2017
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That is not what happened

I watched and they didnt have any reaction. In fact I thought it was kind of cold of them...
Sorry. I saw it posted and didn't check the source. I was so locked in a t the time I didn't notice

Edit: I don't think it was cold. They were like me and 100% locked in on the scene. It was a quiet scene and they were soaking it in. And for all allies to be quiet is really rare.
 
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Oct 29, 2017
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I can't even believe there's kiss controversy in 2018. I thought this looked amazing start to finish and thought nothing of it, or if anything thought it was fitting for the character. Can't wait to play this.