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Oct 25, 2017
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Even if we agree that Vergil didn't care about Dante and his family at the beginning of DMC3 (which I don't agree with, he fully knew that Dante would survive that, I mean they are twin brothers, he knows what are Dante's powers), Vergil clearly realizes that he was wrong by the end of DMC3 and shows that he cares for Dante when says that Dante needs to get out of demon world if he doesn't wanna get trapped there. (and then jumping off that cliff so Dante would actually leave instead of sticking around to bring Vergil back to human world)

Not to mention, he was willing to share the power of Sparda with Dante at the beginning but Dante refused him and denied their father, so Vergil had no choice but to take the amulet by force. So considering all of that, at the very least, I think would've told Nero to give Yamato back to him, before showing up out of the blue and literally ripping the arm of his son in mere seconds.

Also Vergil is not his usual self in this game. He is corrupted and that corruption will most definitely have a huge impact on his actions. I mean, if the corruption only had a visual effect on Vergil's skin, I doubt Dante would've been so mad that he would go on a vengeance trip for Vergil's sake.

From Capcom's PR:



Not only the 3.1.4.2 book confirms this, but the VAs for Dante, Nero and Vergil confirmed this as well. Reuben (Dante's VA) said that the team expected for people to put the hints together and figure it out but instead people went crazy and thought Nero was Sparda re-incarnated or Vergil somehow stored himself in Nero's arm, etc.

And not to mention the very very clear hint at that red dress girl passing by Vergil in the DMC4SE's opening.

LOL
 

sangreal

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Oct 25, 2017
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They just did a pretty long interview on xbox mixer. Unfortunately, I didn't pay much attention so idk if they covered anything new
 
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osnameless

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Here's a question.

Do you guys think that Vergil is not aware that Nero is his son when he pulled out his arm. Not necessarily didn't know from the start, but lost his memories because of the corruption.

Vergil didn't seem to recognize Dante in his Nelo Angelo form (Dark Angel), while Dante knew that it was Vergil who fought him.

I guess we know that Nero doesn't know that Vergil is his father and Dante is his uncle just yet, from the trailer, or he already knew that and I am missing something from the DMC 4 novel or the game itself.

I mean it kinda makes sense that Dante reveals to Vergil that Nero is his son when he comes back.
 

solari

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Oct 25, 2017
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Apparently the DMC4 novel was confirmed canon, and Vergil is Nero's father in that.

I am def in the camp that thinks Nero is Vergil's son, but is there any confirmed ages? I seem to see people say Dante and Vergil are 19 in DMC3 and Nero is 10 years younger than Dante in DMC4, making him 19 which means he was born when Vergil was 9? Yeesh.
 
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sredgrin

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think story wise it's a lot more interesting if Vergil knows (or at least isn't in blank slate Nelo Angelo mode).
 

Astral

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Oct 27, 2017
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I am def in the camp that thinks Nero is Vergil's son, but is there any confirmed ages? I seem to see people say Dante and Vergil are 19 in DMC3 and Nero is 10 years younger than Dante in DMC4, making him 19 which means he was born when Vergil was 9? Yeesh.

I'm pretty sure Nero is not even 20 in DMC4 while Dante is like 40. I think Vergil did the deed at around 16, but I guess that would make it before DMC3 so idk.
 

solari

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I'm pretty sure Nero is not even 20 in DMC4 while Dante is like 40. I think Vergil did the deed at around 16, but I guess that would make it before DMC3 so idk.

A little better, but still not great. Sorry for confusion if I worded that weird, got a cold right now so my brain is even worse than it usually is lmao.

Dante was older than 19 in DMC 4

Nero is said to be 19 in DMC4 I think, which would make Dante 29? I could believe he's older though. Wish we had an official age lol.
 

Astral

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Oct 27, 2017
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A little better, but still not great. Sorry for confusion if I worded that weird, got a cold right now so my brain is even worse than it usually is lmao.



Nero is said to be 19 in DMC4 I think, which would make Dante 29? I could believe he's older though. Wish we had an official age lol.

I'm almost positive that Dante is older than 29 in 4. I think DMC4 takes place 10 years after DMC1, not DMC3. But yeah the only way to explain Nero is teenage pregnancy.
 

solari

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I'm almost positive that Dante is older than 29 in 4. I think DMC4 takes place 10 years after DMC1, not DMC3. But yeah the only way to explain Nero is teenage pregnancy.

Ah yeah, I was looking at the info wrong. Seems Dante is closer to 40 in DMC4. I guess that doesn't confirm Nero's mom as being younger than 18 but yikes Vergil lmao.
 

Chaos2Frozen

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Nov 3, 2017
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There was an official post on the Japanese twitter about the new bad guy.

Demon emperor, stronger than Mundus even (who is prince of darkness).

Finally an actual threat to the gang!

I'm holding out hope that since Itsuno is a Berserk fan he would create the "Demon Hand" or something

Probably why Vergil needed the Devil Bringer (030)~
 

The Silver

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Oct 28, 2017
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Glad Hell finally getting their shit together, I don't know how Belial took over after Mundus. Shit Lucifer got off screened by Dante before DMC4.
 

Sub Boss

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Freaky doesn't mean he was a threat though.

Vergil straight up tells him he couldn't handle the POWER
Yeah but he was manipulative, evil and cunning, Arkham defeated the brothers without even fighting and he would have won if not for the twins working together.
Also Lady kills him later.

I been waiting for one that puts Dante and Vergil on their places, but of course that could be reserved for dmc 6
 

MechaX

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not only the 3.1.4.2 book confirms this, but the VAs for Dante, Nero and Vergil confirmed this as well. Reuben (Dante's VA) said that the team expected for people to put the hints together and figure it out but instead people went crazy and thought Nero was Sparda re-incarnated or Vergil somehow stored himself in Nero's arm, etc.

Lol dude it took me and three other friends 15 minutes to convince the fifth person that Vergil wasn't fucking possessing Nero through the Devil Bringer.

I get there were hints, but in his defense, Capcom kinda dropped the ball on this plot point in 4.
 

DevilNeverCry

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hope we get some flashback sequences. Imagine playing as dante and fighting vergil as the game flashes between the moonlit fight in 3 , nelo angelo in the courtyard in 1 and present day. Imagine if the movesets of the bosses and you changed to represent the different games. So much potential.
 

Septimus Prime

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah but he was manipulative, evil and cunning, Arkham defeated the brothers without even fighting and he would have won if not for the twins working together.
Also Lady kills him later.

I been waiting for one that puts Dante and Vergil on their places, but of course that could be reserved for dmc 6
DMC3 is chronologically before all the other games, though. Dante and Vergil are young and inexperienced then, but by the time DMC4 rolls around, Dante is 100% fucking around, and nothing is a threat to him. Heck, it's telling that the final boss of Bloody Palace is him!

Lol dude it took me and three other friends 15 minutes to convince the fifth person that Vergil wasn't fucking possessing Nero through the Devil Bringer.

I get there were hints, but in his defense, Capcom kinda dropped the ball on this plot point in 4.
Yeah, I think it doesn't help that Nero's DT brings out a huge spirit that follows him around while using Yamato. It's not hard to see that it's Vergil in spirit form.
 

AgentLampshade

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think The Despair Embodied was a threat.
Just a thought out of the blue but what if the hooded figure that is stealing Neros arm isn't Vergil, but Sparda?
It would go against all we know about Sparda being a compassionate demon if he's just casually ripping off arms. It really is best to just apply Occams razor here. It's Vergil.
 

BadWolf

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah we assumed that due to him appearing mostly human but think about it- Dante and Vergil appears completely human all the time.

What if all that is human in him comes from his dad, and the demon arm comes from a demon mother?

It would make sense for the demon part to be from Vergil and the limited effect on Nero (just his arm) could be due to Vergil himself being a half breed.

So basically Nero was a result of a human and a half human, making him about a quarter demon (instead of half like Vergil/Dante).
 

Son of Sparda

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Lol dude it took me and three other friends 15 minutes to convince the fifth person that Vergil wasn't fucking possessing Nero through the Devil Bringer.

I get there were hints, but in his defense, Capcom kinda dropped the ball on this plot point in 4.
You laugh now, but there were serious long discussions about this. And every time someone brought it up I was like
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They just did a pretty long interview on xbox mixer. Unfortunately, I didn't pay much attention so idk if they covered anything new
Are you talking about this or new stuff?
 

Jadusable

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Oct 27, 2017
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Would be dope if Dante's tutorial level opened up with a remastered one on one fight with Despair Embodied
 

Emka

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Oct 27, 2017
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Kind of OT, but with the Resident Evil 2 Remake trailer shown during the Sony conf being clearly from an older build than the second trailer we got right after.

I wonder if the bit from the DMC5 rumor thread that said: "DMC5 was supposed to be shown at PSX, but they moved it to E3" was true, but was about RE2 and not DMC5.
 

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Someone on reddit mentioned that Dante says that Nero has the potential to be stronger than him in the book.

Could be another sayian situation where human blood is actually super powerful. Anyone who read it could verify?
 

Sub Boss

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Nov 14, 2017
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Prequel though. We already knew that Dante wouldn't die and would end up growing up and fighting Mundus.
Hehe well it was still well made.
The idea of Dante dying is a bit funny after the Resident Evil superheroes, thats supposed to be an horror series yet Leon and Chris will never die! They will still be fighting monsters in their 60s with Ada having the ocassional flirt with Leon, some characters will live forever :P

new tentacle villain/vergil can kill off Trish, Lady or Lucia Nico though , or maybe that mysterious V
 

Dahbomb

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Someone on reddit mentioned that Dante says that Nero has the potential to be stronger than him in the book.

Could be another sayian situation where human blood is actually super powerful. Anyone who read it could verify?
Except that Gohan still aint shit and Goku/Vegeta pire blooded Super Saiyans doing all the work.

I dont think Nero is actually ever going to be stronger than Dante. Maybe Nero can defeat Vergil because of writing and plot reasons but I like Dante over Nero in a death battle free.

And I can confirm that theories about Vergil being in Neros arm were rampant back in the day. Same as in MGS2 with Liquid in Ocelots hand LOL!

There were other wild theories about Nero back in the day as well. 3rd bastard son of Sparda. Clone made from Sparda DNA. Dantes own son. Vergil in a regressed state post DMC1. Some random kid that was injected with Sparda DNA.

And you know how many people had him as Vergils son? Absolutely zero. No one could actually use the occams razor principle with Nero back in the day, mostly because it was blasphemy to think that Vergil would set aside his ego to have sex with a human LOL!
 
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May 26, 2018
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Except that Gohan still aint shit and Goku/Vegeta pire blooded Super Saiyans doing all the work.

I dont think Nero is actually ever going to be stronger than Dante. Maybe Nero can defeat Vergil because of writing and plot reasons but I like Dante over Nero in a death battle free.

Goku and Vegeta winning on work ethic. It's strong.
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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nah, it was completely different. on the couch @ mixer set

edit: they finally put it online here: https://mixer.com/Xbox?vod=38224649 around 3h53m

Wow talks about the connection to the DMC anime, the Demon Tree.

- The bad guy at the beginning of the trailer is definitely an enemy and is 26 feet tall
- The Novelization of DMC4 is where Dante gives the Devil May Cry neon sign for Nero to take up the demon hunting business
- All of the footage is in realtime
- The van is the actual office of Devil May Cry
- There's a reception room inside the van
- Nico is the partner in crime of Nero
- Itsuno tried to bring as much developers from DMC3 and 4
- Yuji Shimomura is returning as the cutscene director/stunt coordinator (he did DMC3 and 4)

- Says something to the effect that everytime Nero breaks he can insert another one with his receptacle, I don't know if it translates to anything in gameplay when it comes to breaking
- I think they're calling the arms the devil breakers ?
- They actually made Nero's jacket first IRL in Europe, then scanned it to get high quality asset, probably another result of photogrammetry that is at the center of the RE Engine
 

Dreamboum

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The english-speaking dev -I don't know his name sorry- says the music video clip for 'Devil Trigger" has hints/easter eggs about the game too