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Playstation and XBOX Trailer stats on youtube post E3

Goodacre0081

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Karateka said:
I think that sounds awful. Gears mo is already low on playersthis would sell even less games.

Unless they madeit ftp then you could enjoy even more microtransactions.
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pretty hard to squeeze in more MTX into that game.

everything has a paid loot box variant and their own collection of paid only skins that can't be attained through loot boxes. the only other thing they could possible monetize is weapon load-outs or the ability to actually play the game.
 
MrTired

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Karateka said:
I think that sounds awful. Gears mo is already low on playersthis would sell even less games.

Unless they madeit ftp then you could enjoy even more microtransactions.


Reviews and word of mouth matters
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As well as customer satisfaction in regards to your previous products. I.E Halo 4 & Halo MCC
 
Iva Demilcol

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1.5 million confused viewers now! :P
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What's so confussing about it?

It's basically Kojima's ripoff of Tegami Bachi.
 
Maneil99

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Gears 4 has had more players online playing then Gears 3 for over a year now. The series is fine.
Its got as many people playing ATM as Battlefront 2 and For Honor. Both far newer games.
 
LifeLine

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Bundy said:
The Last of Us is Sony's biggest / most powerful IP at the moment.
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It's a unique situation where a game intended for hardcore gamers has attracted a significant casual audience interest as well.


BeforeU said:
Halo 5 came out in 2015, 3 years before GOW3 on a console that sold half as many unit compare to PS4. I mean come on?
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Xbox One was at 19 million units sold at that point, and Halo shipped 5mil in 3 months. Diminishing returns means even with more units sold it wouldn't have made much of a difference and definitely not increase sales 300% to match what GoW did.
 
freeradical

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Console that has an install base 2.7x the size of the other console has games that have more views on youtube.
Shocked i tells ya. Shocked!
 

ABIC

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freeradical said:
Console that has an install base 2.7x the size of the other console has games that have more views on youtube.
Shocked i tells ya. Shocked!
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While you say that, very few here and in the industry will readily say that The Last of Us is a bigger property than Halo.

There's also a separate thread that talks about E3 mentions and Microsoft has 3x the mentions of Sony.

But the Youtube views is the reverse.

It's not a clear cut thing, and if you can take away your snobby attitude there's much to learn here.
 
Kasey

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Well to be fair, at this point, Gears Judgement was already out and the 360 was winding down anyway (it'd be June 2013 atp), so I'm not sure that comparison means much.

Still, I have no trouble finding matches so I guess things are going well enough for the game.

I'm actually surprised there are still new players around. I jumped in a gears match for the first time in years last week and destroyed everyone. Felt kind of bad for them lol
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It's good news because Gears 3 had really long legs with it's MP community, outpacing the previous titles and similar games by other publishers. Gears would be in a really bad spot if the community rejected it similarly to Halo 4 or Judgment.
 
ULTROS!

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Microsoft's conference was good, but majority of their announced games can be bought for PS4, heh.

Sony's was crap but I was really interested in Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima and RE2.

I dunno but now it's not about what conference is better for me but what the platform has on the table overall.
 
potatohead

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It's getting kind of silly. Division 2 will probably sell over 10 million copies yet doesn't have the same number of views as many first party games
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Yep games like AC continue to sell well as well as many other Ubi titles even though here or elsewhere on fan boards etc or social media aren't typically as vocal as much.

I haven't read the name Division in quite some time until now but I'm sure it sold much more than say Bloodborne, even though I adore the latter far more.
BuBu Jenkins said:
Damn at Gears, knew the series popularity declined heavily from the 360 days but going by the lack of youtube views and even on this board with its E3 trailer thread buried deep in the recesses of ERA with hardly any activity going on it seems the series have completely cratered. I'm sure haters mad that their "dude bro" shooter now stars a female as the lead isn't doing it any favors either...
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This is what I was most confused about actually the game most associated with this type of thing and the radical change, is that girl really the playable character?

If so good for the team. But sad if it is a big reason for less excitement, because it looks a lot more interesting than Gears 4 and the spinoff Gears title before it I forgot what it was even called.
 
Benji

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The Big Winner so far is Cyberpunk 2077

Its already over 5.5 million views
 
nib95

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Sounds about right. TLOU2 beasting. Still a lot of interest in Halo. Sony first party popular across the board. Forza Horizon 4 rightly getting major interest. And Gears has completely dropped off.
 

ABIC

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Saint-14 said:
Because the first game outsold Halo 5?
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So we don't have all the facts, although that statement is likely true.

Even then, the statement wasn't "TLOU is bigger than Halo 5" (individual products) but "TLOU is bigger than Halo" (franchise).

The franchise comparison is trickier and is simply not a 100% statement that anyone can make without all the facts.

I think it's probably the case Halo 3 sold as well or better than TLOU.
 
dlauv

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MS won E3, but not because of their exclusives. Those were probably the least interesting games to me.

They had the least fat and the biggest reveals.

Sony needs to get their heads out of their ass. Why two musical numbers? What the fuck?
 
Bartend3r

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Anti said:
Really?

They bought a studio with one game of experience, they are making a new studio which obviously means it has no experience as a studio, and a studio with 2 games as experience and you are already saying that they will win and beat studios like ND, Guerrilla, SP, Bend, Japan Studio and the others who have in some cases more than 15 years of experience and multiple games and franchises.

M8, your conclusion is terrible.
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I told you MPachter told me.
 
Saint-14

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ABIC said:
So we don't have all the facts, although that statement is likely true.

Even then, the statement wasn't "TLOU is bigger than Halo 5" (individual products) but "TLOU is bigger than Halo" (franchise).

The franchise comparison is trickier and is simply not a 100% statement that anyone can make without all the facts.

I think it's probably the case Halo 3 sold as well or better than TLOU.
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That's such a weird comparison then, of course a franchise that have like 10 games released would be bigger than another with only one, the older titles shouldn't even be brought up since how much Halo declined, we are talking about the present and indeed TLoU is bigger going by the last title of each one.
 

ABIC

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Saint-14 said:
That's such a weird comparison then, of course a franchise that have like 10 games released would be bigger than another with only one, the older titles shouldn't even be brought up since how much Halo declined, we are talking about the present and indeed TLoU is bigger going by the last title of each one.
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It's not a weird comparison, "TLOU is bigger than Halo" is very different from "TLOU is bigger than Halo 5".

If you think it's weird, it's because you've been saying the wrong thing all this while.

There is nothing ambiguous here.
 
Saint-14

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ABIC said:
It's not a weird comparison, "TLOU is bigger than Halo" is very different from "TLOU is bigger than Halo 5".

If you think it's weird, it's because you've been saying the wrong thing all this while.

There is nothing ambiguous here.
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"TLoU is bigger than Halo" means just that, it's bigger than it currently and it will keep growing with the second game, you bring in whole franchise sales which no one is talking about, honestly it seems like you're in denial, it's a simple statement.
 
Seahawk64

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Pokemon is bigger than both tlou and halo combined.

So lets just end this discussion and move on.
 
Trafalgar Law

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igordennis said:
The Last of Us 2 has a good chance of being the highest selling exclusive first party game ever. That title is probably Halo's or Gran Turismo's atm? 14-15m sales im guessing. TLOU2 can top that if it's good and it seems like Naughty Dog has another masterpiece on their hands going by their latest showing.
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Nah Nintendo has those on lock
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Pokemon

Mario kart games and wii sports and the likes
 
Its Dead Jim

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Saint-14 said:
Try to read what I said.
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I read it. It made no sense.

Apparently TLOU is bigger than Halo because it sold more than Halo 5. But we can't count all the other Halo games.

It's either bigger, or it isn't. And it isn't. You can make up silly rules about what counts and what doesn't just to fit your narrative all you want. You will still be wrong.

Anyway, according to your logic, neither game is as big as Duck Hunt
 
Chronos

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Each conference with Shawn Layton has gotten progressively worse. After coming out of the gate with one of the best conferences ever, they just sputter along despite having a first party that still dominates in spite of it. They really need to return to their roots of a few years ago or drop the conference all together.
 
Chronos

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carlsojo said:
How are the views for Anthem?

EA seems like the big loser this year. I feel like no one's talking about Anthem now.
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They really whiffed on it this year. Game is losing mindshare and it will be hard to reverse that trend. They need to have a major blowout on story and gameplay to right the ship and it also needs to be stellar.

I think the game will do ok critically/commercially but will probably not be the killer app EA/Bioware hope it will be.
 
Saint-14

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Its Dead Jim said:
I read it. It made no sense.

Apparently TLOU is bigger than Halo because it sold more than Halo 5. But we can't count all the other Halo games.

It's either bigger, or it isn't. And it isn't. You can make up silly rules about what counts and what doesn't just to fit your narrative all you want. You will still be wrong.

Anyway, according to your logic, neither game is as big as Duck Hunt
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Then you can't read or you're again just in denial, I'm not gonna explain a simple statement.
 
Nightengale

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Please make trailer analysis and comparisons in good faith. I've seen nothing that's bad ( it's absolutely normal to compare big IPs of competitor publishers, etc ) and thus it's just a general statement, but don't antagonise each other.

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Regarding Halo and TLOU2's views:

1. TLOU's brand recognition and fanbase has grown over the years. Even with only one game in its belt - its social metrics are not inferior to games that have many games and are multi-generational IPs. People fucking love TLOU.
2. Gameplay premieres "traditionally" do better than reveal/teaser trailers. When it comes to E3 trailers - the ones with the most momentum are more often than not - longform gameplay demos, and not the 2-3 minute reveals.

It's not an apple-to-apple comparison in both perspectives. Halo Infinite has the handicap of being a 'reveal teaser' instead of a gameplay premiere, and the latter historically performs more better in terms of views and momentum. TLOU2 has the handicap of not being an IP like what some would put Halo or Zelda at - multi-generational IPs that are really huge.

If both Halo Infinite and TLOU2 have a gameplay reveal trailer next year, I expect Halo's to win convincingly by virtue of it being the 'first reveal of gameplay' as opposed to TLOU's 2nd ( or 3rd ) gameplay trailer by then.
 
Its Dead Jim

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Saint-14 said:
Then you can't read or you're again just in denial, I'm not gonna explain a simple statement.
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You don't need to explain anything to me. You made a factually incorrect statement, and have been called out on it.

You have since added nothing to your original hot-take to expand or prove your statement (because you can't, as you are incorrect).

I shall leave this as it stands so as to not derail the thread further into the abyss of the biggest of big game lists.
 
carlsojo

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Chronos said:
They really whiffed on it this year. Game is losing mindshare and it will be hard to reverse that trend. They need to have a major blowout on story and gameplay to right the ship and it also needs to be stellar.

I think the game will do ok critically/commercially but will probably not be the killer app EA/Bioware hope it will be.
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RIP Bioware
 
Nightengale

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The metrics for Anthem is not "outstanding", but it's a new IP and last year's gameplay reveal got ~8mil views, which is a respectably high figure.

You have to look at games that have already been revealed before the context of its showcases. Spiderman's not doing 60 mil views this year because Spidey doesn't not command the attention and mindshare anymore this year- having already exhausted the 'gamplay premiere' card.
 
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I will update the OP again at 11am EST / 4pm BST

Something to consider: TLOU2 will surpass Cyberpunk in total views within the next 24 hours


Karateka said:
I think that sounds awful. Gears mo is already low on playersthis would sell even less games.

Unless they madeit ftp then you could enjoy even more microtransactions.


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I think the Micro transactions in Gears has something to do with it's reception. They landed well before the movement against them but they weren't well received, at least by me, at the time. I believe MS wont implement the same system and in turn that will help gears gain momentum. I also believe that feeding into the meme of Halo, Gears, and Forza with 3 new Gears games doesn't add to the games prestige.
 
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