The Last Of Us Part 2 Gameplay Reveal

NLCPRESIDENT · Jun 13, 2018

Alienous said:
There are spots in the game demo that look more 'faked' every time I see them.

The part with Ellie under the truck just isn't believable to me. It seems very specifically acted. Small things like how the specific dimensions of the pistol are interacting with the ground, but specifically Ellie pulling back the hammer of the gun to signify her decision to shoot (though the player might want to shoot earlier, or not at all), and how she's pulled from under the vehicle in a really seamless way despite being turned at an arbitrary angle.

Like, I have to either believe that it's 'faked', or that Naughty Dog has managed to achieve dynamic animation indistinguishable from recorded motion, despite player control.

That's the part that I can't explain in my head.
The only explanation I can conceive is that the longer the L2 button is held, she'll automatically cock the hammer back, or that happens when she's in the prone position...
or the animation is triggered when the reticle passes over an enemy or an enemy' Proximity triggers it when L2 is held in prone.

SolidSnakex · Jun 13, 2018

Interview with Halley Gross (co-writer)

The demo at the E3 showcase introduced Ellie's more placid life, and her new friends Jessie and Dina, the latter of whom Ellie shares a kiss with. "It's an opportunity for her to feel some sense of real stability and safety and not prioritise her life every single day," says co-writer Halley Gross. "She gets to be a teenager."

When we talk about Ellie "getting to be a teenager", this means she does what teenagers do, which includes fooling around at dances. "Ellie is gay," says Gross. " Ellie was born gay. This is just who she is. And to explore who she is as a teenager and as an adult, it wouldn't be honoring her character to hide some facet of herself. We want to engage with her as a full character. She's also a great shot, and a great fighter. But she's also nineteen. Nineteen's a fun age."

But, as Druckmann puts it, "sh*t goes down" in Jackson, and the journey that follows - which will include a journey to Seattle - will change her. Gross says that what Naughty Dog really wanted to do was have a conversation about the effects of violence and trauma on Ellie's soul. "She's had this real opportunity to find stability, to build relationships in a way she couldn't before," she says. "To have security in those relationships and investment in those relationships. And then something will happen in Jackson that will irreparably change her. So it's about her dealing with change and growing and struggling with this tragedy and who it turns her into."

For those worried that Ellie may turn into a one dimensional hate-filled-husk bent on revenge, Gross promises that there will be some levity in The Last of Us Part II, as there was, so memorably, in the original. "What we're really trying to do is create a complex multifaceted character," she says. "There has to be a balance of light and darkness. To engage in this journey is motivated from a place of love and compassion. It's not just about the darkness. It's about the light and the love that she has for the people she's had for the last five years.

"We really - I sound a bit like a broken record. What we're really trying to do is honor Ellie's character that was established. She's not 'good' or 'bad'. She makes difficult choices. And Neil really painted a beautiful picture of her in the original.

"I want people to have faith that we love Ellie as much as they do, and we will honor who she is."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/13/e3-2018-the-last-of-us-part-2-is-all-about-honoring-ellie

Jean Valjean · Jun 13, 2018

It's not realistic at all when she's climbing those metal structures and no one hears her... but that's the kind of concession we have to make to be able to play and enjoy a game.

Also, someone should've asked ND which parts of the trailer were scripted.

Vroadstar · Jun 13, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
DMC5 & Death Stranding's characters looked more realistic imho. In general this e3 was an amazing showcase when it came to performance capture. Actually making a thread specifically about that, this gen is seriously going out with a bang.

DMC 5 characters more realistic than what TLOU 2 showed? the expressions alone is beyond what DMC 5 have, all you can see with DMC 5 main character is the angry look in the trailers while in TLOU 2 or even U4 you can see the expressiveness and conveys a great deal on how they are feeling and what they are thinking.

Crossing Eden · Jun 13, 2018

Vroadstar said:
DMC 5 characters more realistic than what TLOU 2 showed? the expressions alone is beyond what DMC 5 have, all you can see with DMC 5 main character is the angry look in the trailers while in TLOU 2 or even U4 you can see the expressiveness and conveys a great deal on how they are feeling and what they are thinking.

Yea know the characters in dmc5 showed a wide range of emotions other than anger.

Horned Reaper · Jun 13, 2018

DMC5 characters look like typical Capcom faces that all seem to still be stuck in the PS360 era. Just in higher resolution. They look more like plastic dolls in comparison...

RevenantAxe · Jun 13, 2018

There are some parts which looked fake to me as well just like that reveal Metro Exodus trailer. I like ND but I'm not a blind fan especially after numerous downgrade we have seen in their previous games .

Uncharted 3 was downgraded visually compared to reveal and Uncharted 4 reveal said all in game and showed insanely detailed Nathan Drake but final model looked nothing at that level .

So yea I'm gonna wait and watch before losing my mind like a fanboy.

OrdinaryPrime · Jun 13, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
Yea know the characters in dmc5 showed a wide range of emotions other than anger.

Ellie smiles, she laughs, she kisses, she frowns, she's pensive etc in the opening scene.

Most of the emotions Ellie shows during the gameplay section are shown through body language not facial capture.

At this point you're just asking people to ignore you when you make posts like this. It's not even a shot at DMC either.

Crossing Eden · Jun 13, 2018

OrdinaryPrime said:
Ellie smiles, she laughs, she kisses, she frowns, she's pensive etc in the opening scene.

Most of the emotions Ellie shows during the gameplay section are shown through body language not facial capture.

Gameplay animation is a different matter. It's a character action game by default it can't have that animation quality or that many contextual animations. I'm referring to cinematics.

NLCPRESIDENT · Jun 13, 2018

That's when you know you've made something great; when devs and gamers think it's "fake"! Lol

It's about what I expect it to be on PS4. This is gonna be the longest wait for a game in human history. Fuck..

OrdinaryPrime · Jun 13, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
Gameplay animation is a different matter. It's a character action game by default it can't have that animation quality or that many contextual animations. I'm referring to cinematics.

You implied that Ellie only shows anger. She's not angry once during the cinematic portion of the demo.

Man-is-Obsolete · Jun 13, 2018

Huber from EZA said he sat next to the person demoing TLOU 2 and said it was definitely real. Seems they played the same section.

ohitsluca · Jun 13, 2018

Alienous said:
There are spots in the game demo that look more 'faked' every time I see them.

The part with Ellie under the truck just isn't believable to me. It seems very specifically acted. Small things like how the specific dimensions of the pistol are interacting with the ground, but specifically Ellie pulling back the hammer of the gun to signify her decision to shoot (though the player might want to shoot earlier, or not at all), and how she's pulled from under the vehicle in a really seamless way despite being turned at an arbitrary angle.

Like, I have to either believe that it's 'faked', or that Naughty Dog has managed to achieve dynamic animation indistinguishable from recorded motion, despite player control.

Eh cocking the gun could just be an animation that happens after you aim I'm without firing for a certain amount of time. Could then uncock it if the player ends up not firing. It looked especially great in the trailer because of the timing of when it happened.

JahIthBer · Jun 13, 2018

Horned Reaper said:
DMC5 characters look like typical Capcom faces that all seem to still be stuck in the PS360 era. Just in higher resolution. They look more like plastic dolls in comparison...

Why are we comparing 60fps action packed DMCV to 30fps TLOU2 anyway lol.
Not like Capcom could pull off those animations at 60fps with tons of enemies on screen.

Bishop89 · Jun 13, 2018

Seesaw15 said:
Did you watch the Raid 1 or 2? Or Green Room?

Speaking of the raid, I think dredd had some moments too?

Vroadstar · Jun 13, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
Yea know the characters in dmc5 showed a wide range of emotions other than anger.

It doesn't answer the main point though, you said DMC5 looked more realistic compared to TLOU2, which was your reply to the original poster saying
that for TLOU2 "what sets the Dogs above is their lighting, skin shaders, and how well they pay attention to and execute on expressiveness. ." and you reply is DMC5 looked more realistic, when in the trailers all you see most is the angry looking main guy

You are already deliberately moving goal post (gameplay animation is different, I'm talking about cinematics) to avoid saying you are wrong, when another poster called you out that with Ellie alone the expressiveness is order of magnitude better than DCM5 in comparison.

Vroadstar · Jun 13, 2018

JahIthBer said:
Why are we comparing 60fps action packed DMCV to 30fps TLOU2 anyway lol.
Not like Capcom could pull off those animations at 60fps with tons of enemies on screen.

Exactly, hence it's so wrong to say DMC5 looked more realistic compared to TLOU2 in terms expressiveness, lighting, skin shaders.

Horned Reaper · Jun 13, 2018

JahIthBer said:
Why are we comparing 60fps action packed DMCV to 30fps TLOU2 anyway lol.
Not like Capcom could pull off those animations at 60fps with tons of enemies on screen.

Well yeah, you can't expect them to. It's apples and oranges and why that 'opinion' is so ridiculous to begin with. Someone finding the action to be more fast paced and responsive in TLOU2 compared to DMC5 would be just as ridiculous. Even if it's in their opinion.

BladeX · Jun 13, 2018

The facial animations in game look amazing and the same was true for uncharted as well (but this is a whole new level).

I am pretty sure that the demo is representative in this regard.

But!

Every Naughty Dog game up until now (and this is nitpicking but they deserve it because of the quality shown) has an issue with facial animation and I hope the Last of Us 2 gets rid of it.

I am talking about the facial animation and the lip sync when characters talk during gameplay in game (not in cutscenes). The animation there just sucks. :)

If you dont believe me just boot up Last of Us or Uncharted 4, get to an in game dialogue and look at their mouths. Its really bad and stands out a lot considering the level of animation in every other case.

And that holds true for most games out there and the only one i can remember that had a great work done to this with in game dialogue was the latest God of War. It was not perfect but it was convincingly good and i appreciated the detail.

Hope ND fixes this with TLOU2 cause if not it is going to stand out even more than their previous games due to the insane work done in facial expressions.

atomiksuperinsan · Jun 13, 2018

jett said:
His story is done.

No way. We need our grumpy old dad. and no i'm not talking about kratos.

Treasure Silvergun · Jun 13, 2018

Bundy said:
I was talking to a friend about this today. I've showed him the TLOU2 trailer and he said "It's quite funny. It's like Naughty Dog is saying to all these dev studios ~Hey guys. We let you play around for 2 or 3 years to try and reach our quality level. But enough of playing around. Here is our next benchmark~ and they reach another high level where still nobody can touch them. And they're doing this every damn time." I had to laugh because it's so damn true. Nobody reached the Uncharted 4 level and now they're blowing everybody away (again) with TLOU2. It's quite remarkable. What an incredible studio.

Have you thought that maybe, other AAA devs simply don't make that kind of animation and detail their priority?

Most other AAA games have huge, sprawling worlds, and gameplay elements much more varied and spread out than TLOU, which is very focused and specialized in what it does. Also, those games are usually multiplat. Their budget and time simply cannot be invested in that direction.

I understand the hype, but it's a bit naive to think that ND somehow threw a gauntlet and nobody else picked it up. ND makes games for a single system, and they know their games are going to be expected to push that system to new levels. But I seriously doubt other devs are looking an ND's games as their benchmark and inspiration, or we'd have seen some serious effort in this "competition" you're phantasizing about.

About the trailer... TLOU wasn't my cup of tea, and Part 2 definitely isn't going to be. There's a kind of physicity and dedication to the violence witnessed in the trailer that sincerely upsets me. Violence in a game like Doom I appreciate and enjoy, because it's completely over-the-top but doesn't take itself seriously. What has been shown in the trailer is simply morbid, almost gratuitous.

Crossing Eden · Jun 13, 2018

OrdinaryPrime said:
You implied that Ellie only shows anger. She's not angry once during the cinematic portion of the demo.

Did you not read the post I was replying to? I never implied that Ellie only shows anger wtf.

Vroadstar said:
It doesn't answer the main point though, you said DMC5 looked more realistic compared to TLOU2, which was your reply to the original poster saying
that for TLOU2 "what sets the Dogs above is their lighting, skin shaders, and how well they pay attention to and execute on expressiveness. ." and you reply is DMC5 looked more realistic, when in the trailers all you see most is the angry looking main guy

You are already deliberately moving goal post (gameplay animation is different, I'm talking about cinematics) to avoid saying you are wrong, when another poster called you out that with Ellie alone the expressiveness is order of magnitude better than DCM5 in comparison.

I meant animation wise the characters looked more realistic. You should rewatch the trailer for DMC5 as it's filled with the dude cheesing his way through encounters not just looking angry.

Manixramz · Jun 13, 2018

Isee said:
I love TLOU and I can't believe I'm going to say this, but this was rather mediocre. The gameplay looked fine, but we all know it was scripted and it's not going to play like that. Was the same with the first game and it's gameplay reveal trailer.
TLOU lived from the interactions between Ellie and Joel, you saw them bonding and growing together. Especially in the context of the brutal and very sad introduction. That touched me and the Ellie-Joel focused story telling worked for me very well.
Judging from the trailer Ellie is now having a typical videogame love interest revenge story. That doesn't touch me at all, I've seen that kind of story too often by now in a videogame. I really hope there is more to it.

don't you think it's too early to even talk about the story , obviously Neil making all think that's the case , like 1st reveal when everyone think Joel is dead.

actually, it might be about her mother .

Penny Royal · Jun 13, 2018

sn00zer said:
Generally no, but I am having a hard time coming up with a film/show with comparable levels of violence.

Film: Come And See

bunkitz · Jun 13, 2018

Alienous said:
Naughty Dog has managed to achieve dynamic animation indistinguishable from recorded motion, despite player control.

I'm inclined to believe this is the case. Naughty Dog keeps blowing us away game after game, so this doesn't sound that unlikely to me.

Easy Rider · Jun 13, 2018

gates2 said:
I think it's possible he meant fake because the graphics are too realistic.
Like, the game has a character being killed that looks like him, so maybe he thought: "I am still alive so that video has to be fake" ? It seems like a stretch, but look at this and you know what I mean. The videogame looks more realistic that the photo in a way:

So it could have been a honest mistake, instead of an attack on a competing videogame. He seems like a nice guy so I am going with honest mistake

This enemy looks like Scola Visari or at least straight from Helghan.

El-Pistolero · Jun 13, 2018

Naughty Dog is just on another -cosmic- level. Sony are freaking lucky to have such a range of talented studios, and ND stands as the tallest tower of them all...

More_Badass · Jun 13, 2018

Alienous said:
There are spots in the game demo that look more 'faked' every time I see them.

The part with Ellie under the truck just isn't believable to me. It seems very specifically acted. Small things like how the specific dimensions of the pistol are interacting with the ground, but specifically Ellie pulling back the hammer of the gun to signify her decision to shoot (though the player might want to shoot earlier, or not at all), and how she's pulled from under the vehicle in a really seamless way despite being turned at an arbitrary angle.

Like, I have to either believe that it's 'faked', or that Naughty Dog has managed to achieve dynamic animation indistinguishable from recorded motion, despite player control.

I could see pulling the hammer being a refinement of the human shield mechanic.

Cordy · Jun 13, 2018

SolidSnakex said:
Interview with Halley Gross (co-writer)

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/13/e3-2018-the-last-of-us-part-2-is-all-about-honoring-ellie

Awesome.

I'm down.

Crackhead_Bob · Jun 13, 2018

BubbaHoTep said:
Why has the YouTube trailer so many dislikes? Is this a Console War thing?

Do console wars stem from those who don't own competing consoles? Or does it stem from those who don't like a certain console period? Having owned most competing consoles on the market since the 16 bit era, I've never really understood the whole phenomenon of bashing other systems. The exceptions for me were Neo Geo, 3DO, and the Sega Saturn. But I never felt bitter tears over not owning any of those consoles that I would throw shade on them or their fortunate user base.

Mysterio79 · Jun 13, 2018

i think a lot of Youtubers are disliking it because of the staged look it has to it. Even devs are calling them out on it. It's like the fake A.I in the original reveal for TLOU1 or Bioshock Infinite.

Crackhead_Bob · Jun 13, 2018

soul said:
Don't count on it. She will probably be flashback material and/or the reason Ellie goes on a rampage.

So, she'll basically be Marlene, featured at the beginning and ending of the game, perhaps?

Jombie · Jun 13, 2018

Saucer said:
i think a lot of Youtubers are disliking it because of the staged look it has to it. Even devs are calling them out on it. It's like the fake A.I in the original reveal for TLOU1 or Bioshock Infinite.

Who?

Buddeh · Jun 13, 2018

Jombie said:
Who?

Tomb Raider devs. He later excused it though, blaming a language barrier.

OutOfcontrol · Jun 13, 2018

Banjo said:
Tomb Raider devs. He later excused it though, blaming a language barrier.

So salty lol

Buddeh · Jun 13, 2018

Joeku said:
Onto the facial tech, I'll add that even though tons of studios do this kind of face capturing and have for awhile now (ND only started doing it this way with UC4 IIRC) what sets the Dogs above is their lighting, skin shaders, and how well they pay attention to and execute on expressiveness. They know how to light eyes, skin, and expressions to make them pop and feel more "cinematic" than anyone else in the industry.

Their top tech guy worked for months just on eyeballs to get the cutscene part in the demo perfect, though the tech will of course be used for everything now.
They talk about it in the Q&A.

Femto0 · Jun 13, 2018

The salt is real wow

ZattMurdock · Jun 13, 2018

I'm a Tomb Raider fan. But LOL at the salt. Also, Shadow looks like an old gen game next to TLOU2.

Jombie · Jun 13, 2018

Banjo said:
Tomb Raider devs. He later excused it though, blaming a language barrier.

Hmm. Is it true that someone was actually playing the demo?

Buddeh · Jun 13, 2018

Jombie said:
Hmm. Is it true that someone was actually playing the demo?

Even pre recorded is leaps away from "fake".

Decarb · Jun 13, 2018

Banjo said:
Tomb Raider devs. He later excused it though, blaming a language barrier.

Maybe french word for "fake" actually means unreal :p

GMAK2442 · Jun 13, 2018

The graphics are good as Uncharted 4.

I think this game could be as good as UC4.

I'm for sure going to play this.

SolidSnakex · Jun 13, 2018

Saucer said:
i think a lot of Youtubers are disliking it because of the staged look it has to it. Even devs are calling them out on it. It's like the fake A.I in the original reveal for TLOU1 or Bioshock Infinite.

It's this

Jombie · Jun 13, 2018

Banjo said:
Even pre recorded is leaps away from "fake".

True. There probably is a bit of sleight of hand in the footage, but I'm optimistic most of those elements will exist in the final code.

*I thought it was a given losers are disliking it because it has #forceddiversity.

Overflow · Jun 13, 2018

I think all these systems and intricacies will absolutely be in the game, but you won't experience them all in the same 5 minute chunk like the demo. Cautiously optimistic about their revolutionary AI behaviour, but they similarly talked big about it during TLOU 1 gameplay reveal and it wasn't entirely realised in the final game.

dapperbandit · Jun 13, 2018

Given that the first gameplay trailer for TLOU took some liberties with the presentation of the AI compared to the end product I'm ready to believe this trailer did too.

zsynqx · Jun 13, 2018

SolidSnakex said:
It's this

Pretty much.

Decarb · Jun 13, 2018

SunhiLegend said:

She is slowly cutting his throat after second stab. Savage af.

KORNdog · Jun 13, 2018

Alienous said:
There are spots in the game demo that look more 'faked' every time I see them.

The part with Ellie under the truck just isn't believable to me. It seems very specifically acted. Small things like how the specific dimensions of the pistol are interacting with the ground, but specifically Ellie pulling back the hammer of the gun to signify her decision to shoot (though the player might want to shoot earlier, or not at all), and how she's pulled from under the vehicle in a really seamless way despite being turned at an arbitrary angle.

Like, I have to either believe that it's 'faked', or that Naughty Dog has managed to achieve dynamic animation indistinguishable from recorded motion, despite player control.

i'm not going to say it's all 100% legit,

but have you seen nathan drake gripping ledges in unchated 4? all his fingers sit ON the surface they're supposed to be gripping, nothing really clips through the environment geometry. i'd imagine achieving the same thing with a gun and the flat ground is a lot easier to achieve.

the gun hammer could be mechanics driven for all we know. half trigger squeeze for instance.

and her being dragged out at a specific angle is like, ND's speciality in regards to animation. they're masters of blending that sort of stuff.

i dunno. literally ANY other dev studio and i'd maybe think otherwise, but im firmly in "team legit" based on what i saw. i mean, it's the people responsible for a working rifle strap, something we'd never seen up to that point.

BoJack · Jun 13, 2018

The Last of Us Part II is the most liked trailer of E3 right now, with 4.5m views. Cyberpunk 2077 has 6m views.

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