Smash now is just a niche game for competitive players.
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Nintendo stock down almost 7% after the E3 showcase (down another 5.27% per Tokyo Stock Exchange)
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You do realize that Smash Bros 4 and Brawl both sold over 10 Million right?
The new smash bros will sell over 10 million units. Thats not niche.
you do realize Nintendo first party always sells a ton since all they have is first party, so people buy every game.
show me how many of those players still play the game a year after launch.
Since Nintendo started Directs and stopped having such a big E3 presence, this same cycle has happened every year. Gamers with preferences for other platforms take this opportunity to spell doom and gloom for Nintendo without considering long term trends. Pokemon and Smash Bros. are absolutely bigger sellers than 3D Mario and Zelda and they are continuing the trend of 1-2 major releases each month, so to see their output for this year as floundering is just confusing. You can't really compared the content output of the Switch to the PS4/Xbox One console and determine whether that fact alone will determine its level of success. It wasn't an indicator in its first year on the market, so I doubt it will be now.
Yep, Nintendo cant play the 1st party card.
They need to tell their 3DS devs to get their shit together and start consistently producing for the Switch to fill their 3rd party void. So far in 2018 that has been a massive failure
He didn't list any Wii U ports. With Octopath, Smash and Mario Tennis I'd say the system has some pretty nice titles for hardcore fans, one of them (Smash) being a huge title. Pokemon is also pretty big with hardcore gamers.
I'm not sure this will be true. Smash doesn't drop until December. It may not outsell God of War or Spiderman in the ~3 weeks before the end of the calendar year. Now if you mean the fiscal year then that's probably true.
Oh my god we have a new form of the Switch owners are hungry for games...Or you know they are good games?
Here are the major exclusives and games on Switch for 2017 and 2018 so far.
Breath of the Wild
Mario Kart 8D
ARMS
Splatoon 2
Mario and Rabbids
Pokken Tournament DX
Fire Emblem Warriors
Mario Odyssey
Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Bayonetta 2
Kirby Star Allies
Nintendo Labo
Hyrule Warriors DX
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
Mario Tennis Aces
Sushi Striker
Octopath Travellor
Captain Toad TT
Super Mario Party
Pokémon Let's Go
Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Past those years
Pokémon Gen 8
Metroid Prime 4
Bayonetta 3
Yoshi
SMTV
Others
Star Fox Grand Prix
New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe
Metroid Prime Trilogy Remastered
Platinums 2nd Switch Game
Chronicles Trigger Creators new game
And more...
That's sure is not a lot of games not even including indies and third party....
I dont want to be that guy, but i find hard to justify getting a switch when i have an iphone x. Or any other premium phone for the case. Pubg works almost identical to my xbox one x, and other games like fortnite run and look better.
Though the catalog of nintendo exclusives is cool, the catalog of games on mobile stores is fantastic.
Though the catalog of nintendo exclusives is cool, the catalog of games on mobile stores is fantastic.
I do think this e3 was kind of the death knell for Nintendo being able to get interesting third party support.
Big third party games that should sell over 10m units coming up:
-Red Dead 2 (no)
-Battlefield 5 (no)
-Black Ops 4 (no)
-Division 2 (no)
-Anthem (no)
-KH3 (no)
-Assassin's Creed Odyssey (no)
-Madden 19 (no)
-2K19 (yes but a lesser version)
-Fifa 19 (yes but a lesser version)
And of course, some of these games would be really hard to do on Switch but then games like Sekiro or RE2 are... also skipping the Switch.
Big third party games that should sell over 10m units coming up:
-Red Dead 2 (no)
-Battlefield 5 (no)
-Black Ops 4 (no)
-Division 2 (no)
-Anthem (no)
-KH3 (no)
-Assassin's Creed Odyssey (no)
-Madden 19 (no)
-2K19 (yes but a lesser version)
-Fifa 19 (yes but a lesser version)
And of course, some of these games would be really hard to do on Switch but then games like Sekiro or RE2 are... also skipping the Switch.
lol
Show me how many players of any full RRP game are still playing it a year after launch, especially for fighting games. I'm not sure what point you wanted to make here.
what? I just downloaded Hollow Knight on my Switch. I love nintendo. I want more games than just this one, which is still just $60 towards their coffers. They need to show us more games.
Smash sells better than almost all first party titles so your comments make little sense. You're really reaching here man.
It's kind of a dead year across the board. I don't think Nintendo fucked up, I think it was just their fortune to have Wii U games in the pipeline that could turn into Switch games, so the launch was unusually strong. After the megaton year that was 2017, the industry seems like it's having a collective hangover. I imagine Nintendo will put out a few unexpectedly big things in 2019.
the best selling game is still just one game and is limited by the market. they need more than just this one this year. that's why the drop in market value.
this is what the thread is about, but everyone just gets defensive as always.
So what you're saying is that people like to buy good video games, and often move on to other games a year later. That's like, common sense dude. How does that change the fact that Smash is still going to sell a shit-load of copies?
They have Pokémon and Mario Party along with the evergreens. They are fine.
These threads are always amazing because they showcase just how many people, apparently adults no less, seem to have no understanding of what the stock market is.
2019 looks a lot more interesting for sure, but I wouldn't call this a dead year:
Nintendo has a better 2019 coming, but so do Sony and Microsoft.
This is typical Nintendo. They release consoles but those consoles get little third party support, and their big games are few and far between. That and almost always the same franchises in different but not always good variations.
What's the draw for a 'hardcore' (I hate the term but will use it) gamer? We've played these games for decades now. Nintendo relies on its gimmicks and continues to have its head up its ass.
Smash Bros. is repetitive and hardly ever changes, the best Mario Tennis came out on Game Boy Color and this one doesn't look as good as even that, Wii U ports just highlight the fact that Nintendo is doing the same thing and not supporting its console like they did with previous ones...
It just got caught in the crossfire. I thought about fixing it and maybe highlighting more, which I could've, but didn't want to bother.
The point stands. Nintendo is being Nintendo.
I'm only responding to your comment about why Smash sells (because it's first party and there is nothing else to play), with that logic every first party games should have sales comparable to Smash.
Also Pokemon is this year.
Yo, we got a starved for games post.
Haven't seen one of these in a long time.
Yeah, it's pretty clear that the only thing we can hope for is a ramp-up of remasters. WiiU had decent 3rd party support as far as the big publishers and their big titles go before this gen started.
Switch is already out of that race and they're about to face the introduction of a new console generation again.
It's the most relevant part. Look at every large studio that employs thousands and look at how many games release from them in a year. The fact of the matter is the games you want need hundreads is staff, and thousands of hours in development. You can see them try but there's very little they can do in that regard. Make smaller games like 3D World and Sushi Striker and people bitch it's not ambitious enough. Make large ambitious games like Prime 4 and people bitch that it's not finished yet. Nintendo alone outputs a lot as is but it's simply unrealistic to expect a Zelda or Mario caliber game every couple of months.
I think we need to accept E3 isn't a big factor for Nintendo.
They reveal things on their own terms, with their Nintendo directs.
It is what it is.
They reveal things on their own terms, with their Nintendo directs.
It is what it is.
I respect them for not doing it but anyone else would've had follow-ups on all the huge games they just put out the last year. That would've eased the content void a bit anyway.
Stock Price is still way too high to buy, will wait till it falls under $150. Going third party in the coming years might shoot the stock to the moon, though. *fingers crossed*
Dude, you was questioning why Etrian Odyssey is still in 3DS and not in Switch, ignoring Atlus is very known to work in legacy systems past their natural years. I have to guess you are a bit off touch to can claim this kind of facts.
Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me if in a couple of months we see a new Nintendo Direct.
You just confirmed his point there - did you actually read what you quoted?!
I found the Direct to be very disappointing. I know plenty do, but I don't like Smash so from my POV there is nothing to buy for my Switch this year. I did buy Hollow Knight and might pick up Dead Cells on the Switch, but apart from that? Nothing.
Find it completely bizarre that we still haven't seen anything from Retro.
EDIT - My bad, forgot about Capt Toad. I'll be picking it up in July.
Find it completely bizarre that we still haven't seen anything from Retro.
EDIT - My bad, forgot about Capt Toad. I'll be picking it up in July.
Nintendo has like $9B in liquid assets (why, I have no idea) and hasn't started a western studio in 18 years.
.... They could be a bigger company.
.... They could be a bigger company.
To be fair we knew that all those AAA titles wouldnt be on Switch before e3...or did you expect for EA to suddenly whip out a Anthem Switch version or KH3/CoD BO4 to happen when they just recently confirmed that there would be no Switch version ?
Overextension is fatal in business, but so is stagnation. They'll be around for years.
This is all true, but it doesn't explain why Nintendo has a significantly smaller number of employees and studios in comparison to SIE. That doesn't even get into Sony having many more partner studios and exclusive partnerships with 3rd parties. Nintendo can fix a number of those problems if they wanted.
Obviously some of those games were too technically demanding for Switch, but games like Sekiro skipping the Switch is one of those moments where it's like... oh, I guess it's not going to get like 95% of the fairly big games.
KH3 and Black Ops 4 skipping Switch are also very bad signs for any retail third party support the Switch may have.
I really think people need to redefine what a "Hardcore" gamer is. Hardcore doesn't mean you only play the AAA stuff and everything else falls to the wayside. They pretty much appreciate ALL types of games and recognize them equally.
I don't think Nintendo's line up is particularly weak, but I do think think there is an imbalance between them and the HD Boxes. The HD boxes has TONNNES of 3rd person adventures/interactive narrative experiences, but falling short on everything else. Whereas Nintendo is completely lacking that this year (not really counting TWEWY it's more side scrolling). I was hoping that Bayo 3 could be out, or that they get a surprise 3rd party collab to get on out. After the big Adventures of Link, Mario, which I think a lot of fans jumped in on the switch for, I feels a bit lacking in that Dept.
Last September, Four 3rd party games were announced, and three came out that November (DOOM, LA Noire, RE:Revlations 1&2, and Wolf2), along with the Snipper clips Expansion. SO i figured we'd hear somethings then along with the Online update. So I guess we'll see how it pans out from there.
What I've learned this E3 is that companies no longer look at this as the show of the year. It's more of a hey here's some stuff coming that we had around. So i don't think anyone should put stock into what we get there anymore.
If you think i'm wrong, think about it like this. When was the last time a console was revealed at E3? Vita?
Look at Sony, Square Enix, and Nintendo's video reels...err "Conferences".
Look at the lack of ANYTHING from other Major 3rd parties, outside of EA, UBISoft (who went all out as usual), and Bethesda. and even these were ok at best.
With the internet, I just feel like companies can keep use views informed more regularly with less pressure, and with more accurate info (release dates, better demos featuring actually game play on platformed mention) and the like.
I don't think Nintendo's line up is particularly weak, but I do think think there is an imbalance between them and the HD Boxes. The HD boxes has TONNNES of 3rd person adventures/interactive narrative experiences, but falling short on everything else. Whereas Nintendo is completely lacking that this year (not really counting TWEWY it's more side scrolling). I was hoping that Bayo 3 could be out, or that they get a surprise 3rd party collab to get on out. After the big Adventures of Link, Mario, which I think a lot of fans jumped in on the switch for, I feels a bit lacking in that Dept.
Last September, Four 3rd party games were announced, and three came out that November (DOOM, LA Noire, RE:Revlations 1&2, and Wolf2), along with the Snipper clips Expansion. SO i figured we'd hear somethings then along with the Online update. So I guess we'll see how it pans out from there.
What I've learned this E3 is that companies no longer look at this as the show of the year. It's more of a hey here's some stuff coming that we had around. So i don't think anyone should put stock into what we get there anymore.
If you think i'm wrong, think about it like this. When was the last time a console was revealed at E3? Vita?
Look at Sony, Square Enix, and Nintendo's video reels...err "Conferences".
Look at the lack of ANYTHING from other Major 3rd parties, outside of EA, UBISoft (who went all out as usual), and Bethesda. and even these were ok at best.
With the internet, I just feel like companies can keep use views informed more regularly with less pressure, and with more accurate info (release dates, better demos featuring actually game play on platformed mention) and the like.
I think at the very beginning of its life cycle the perception was that it had decent third party support but then the new consoles hit and that dried up pretty fast.
But truthfully, it was never that good, even at the outset.
With Nintendo consoles it's increasingly a problem for me that most of the 'one game per quarter' games, for most of them I don't care (anymore). Especially something like Smash Bros or Animal Crossing or even Mario to an extent.
But then there is something like Zelda released, once in a while...
But then there is something like Zelda released, once in a while...
Stock down because Nintendo's only releasing the very niche titles Pokémon and Smash Bros this year and failed to show off footage from historical smash hits Metroid and Star Fox?
...have i been warped to a new dimension?
...have i been warped to a new dimension?
I've discussed this before and I often wonder what the cost of scaling down and porting some of these games would actually be?
Would it even be worth it for most of these developers?
I honestly don't know.
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