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Gio

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
837
Manila
I don't know what I'd do in the shoes of someone who is friends with an abuser. I really hope I'd have the decency not to come to their defense, and have the courage to call them out.

Yea, Resetera isn't a good place to foster that kind of self reflection lol.

You present an alternative view against the grain of a thread discussing a sensitive subject, you get a pretty swift banning. It really isn't worth it. Just post similar to the rest of the thread, or just keep quiet. It's a simple rule to live by here :)
Maybe you'd like to share your "alternative view".
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,432

Salty AF

Member
Oct 30, 2017
6,128
I always had a feeling this dude might be an asshole but after reading Chloe's Medium piece I can fully visualize him acting like this. He's got such a smug, punchable face in my opinion. Good on Chloe for getting out of that shithole relationship.
 

autumn_orenji

User requested ban
Banned
Apr 16, 2018
203
I don't know what I'd do in the shoes of someone who is friends with an abuser. I really hope I'd have the decency not to come to their defense, and have the courage to call them out.

Yeah, I can posture all I want but I have literally no idea what I would say or do in that situation. Publicly stating that you need a moment to process is probably the SMARTEST thing you can do since we'd all need a minute to cope. How many times have we seen people blurt out something that comes from the natural loyalty we've fostered with friends/family, and then of course regretted it later? Stepping back and thinking about your feelings and words seems to be best for everyone involved.
 

Fuzzy

Completely non-threatening
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,142
Toronto
I don't know what I'd do in the shoes of someone who is friends with an abuser. I really hope I'd have the decency not to come to their defense, and have the courage to call them out.
Never dealt with an abuser but I used to be friends with someone that was caught taking upskirt photos on the subway and I cut him out completely. We were really close (our parents were even friends) including going to his destination wedding and being in the wedding party of his brother here in town but when he did what he did I was done. After it happened I stopped speaking to him and even ignored him at his brother's wife's funeral (she died at 33 of cancer). I'm glad the first four articles that pop up when you Google his name are the stories of him being arrested with the first image search result being his mugshot. Let that piece of shit live with this for the rest of his life. I just feel sorry for his kids when they get older and find this stuff.
 

Morrigan

Spear of the Metal Church
Member
Oct 24, 2017
34,398
This discredits him from commenting on what is or is not abuse or assault. This is disgusting.
Is there another source other than a famous British tabloid for this 11 year old alleged story, or are you two done trying to derail this thread with whataboutism? This topic isn't about this guy.
 

ryllix

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
279
Is there another source other than a famous British tabloid for this 11 year old alleged story, or are you two done trying to derail this thread with whataboutism? This topic isn't about this guy.
Googling this gives multiple other sources, but I'm not familiar with what is or is not a tabloid in the UK. If it's just tabloid gossip then that's good to know it's not true
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,432
Is there another source other than a famous British tabloid for this 11 year old alleged story, or are you two done trying to derail this thread with whataboutism? This topic isn't about this guy.
With all the respect, and since you're asking, yes there is. From BBC news and all the other media in the U.K. This was well publicised at the time, since he was in East Enders. Nobody is trying to derail the thread, by the way. This guy is Chloe's current partner and he is (understandably) vocal about Hardwick, yet he's nonchalantly brushing aside a sexual harassment scandal that he himself was involved in. Are we not allowed to point out his obvious hypocrisy (especially by him name dropping # metoo)?
All that being said, any of that does not take away from Hardwick being a complete psycho and utter asshole who deserves everything that's coming his way.
 

Chumley

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
4,651
This discredits him from commenting on what is or is not abuse or assault. This is disgusting.

No it doesn't. Also this is fucking amazing coming from you when you were posting some "we need to wait for more information" bullshit on the last page.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Yeah, the "future father" thing was bad.

He and his wife might very well be trying to have a child but no one gives a shit.

It really was a terrible response from him.
 

ryllix

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
279
No it doesn't. Also this is fucking amazing coming from you when you were posting some "we need to wait for more information" bullshit on the last page.
We definitely should wait to find out more before passing judgement on either side. And someone being a sex offender does discredit them from commenting on the issue in my opinion.
 

NameUser

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,038
Yeah, her new BF should've stayed quiet (whatever he says will look bad, can't really call it lies while saying we should believe his GF). But this takes away from the real story. To me it feels like a deflection, and y'all should just drop it now.
 
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srhltmr

User Requested Ban
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,294
Texas
So apparently TMZ now has text messages of Hardwick breaking up with Dykstra, and Dykstra trying to get back together with him some months later.

Not that it changes what happened, but I think it was only a matter of time before stuff started coming out trying to discredit her story.
 

Goodstyle

Banned
Nov 1, 2017
1,661
So apparently TMZ now has text messages of Hardwick breaking up with Dykstra, and Dykstra trying to get back together with him some months later.

Not that it changes what happened, but I think it was only a matter of time before stuff started coming out trying to discredit her story.
If it's true, then it's kind of the opposite of how she presented it in the article, where she dumped him and he tried to get back with her because he was afraid of being alone. Not saying this completely invalidates all the other abuse that she faced, but she possibly lied about how the relationship ended.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,920
If it's true, then it's kind of the opposite of how she presented it in the article, where she dumped him and he tried to get back with her because he was afraid of being alone. Not saying this completely invalidates all the other abuse that she faced, but she possibly lied about how the relationship ended.

I wouldn't be surprised if both of them have different definitions of when the relationship officially ended, and that's where the inconsistency is coming in.
 

ZattMurdock

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,333
Earth 616
So apparently TMZ now has text messages of Hardwick breaking up with Dykstra, and Dykstra trying to get back together with him some months later.

Not that it changes what happened, but I think it was only a matter of time before stuff started coming out trying to discredit her story.

This is an INCREDIBLY petty move by Hardwick. Pathetic, really. Her boyfriend said it best:



 

ZattMurdock

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,333
Earth 616




I wouldn't be surprised if both of them have different definitions of when the relationship officially ended, and that's where the inconsistency is coming in.

I read Hardwick's "exposé" of his private chats with Dykstra. Yep, he's still an asshole and it's getting embarassing now. It's not really about when the "relationship is over", because that was never the point. She wanting to go back with him doesn't change the fact that she endured abuse during their relationship, AND that she has evidence of him blacklisting her. They are getting lawyers involved in this and not us. For us, what we have is the testimony of at least a respectable source that he indeed blacklisted her. Fuck him for trying to picture her as a liar for wanting to get back to him. The more I read about this, more of an asshole he looks.
 

NameUser

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,038
Maybe she'll release something now since he's doing this. Even if she did do that, it still doesn't change anything. Some abused people try to go back to their abusers because they have no self worth left (because of the abuse).
 

Chumley

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
4,651
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them have different definitions of when the relationship officially ended, and that's where the inconsistency is coming in.

If Hardwick has evidence that she lied in her story, this whole thing is going to become incredibly fucking messy.
 

zychi

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,064
Chicago
There's an internet rumor that Hardwick hired a botfarm to post positive things and replies about him.

Thats super shady if true
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,920
If Hardwick has evidence that she lied in her story, this whole thing is going to become incredibly fucking messy.

It was always going to be incredibly messy, honestly. But yeah, now that Hardwick has let this stuff out (since it was obviously him), the chances of it getting really bad really FAST just went up to about 100%.
 

Goodstyle

Banned
Nov 1, 2017
1,661
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them have different definitions of when the relationship officially ended, and that's where the inconsistency is coming in.
The truth about abusive relationships is that victims often crave and desire the approval of the abuser. Even if she knew he was bad for her, there were definitely times where she wanted him back. I think that's an embarrassing thing for some people, and hard for them to admit. I believe this is a shitty ploy from Chris, and that he probably did abuse her emotionally, but I also don't think it's hard to believe she may have fibbed a bit with how the relationship ended.
 

Chumley

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
4,651
Maybe she'll release something now since he's doing this. Even if she did do that, it still doesn't change anything. Some abused people try to go back to their abusers because they have no self worth left (because of the abuse).

This is where I come down on it. She might have been so pissed off about it, and about not saying anything about it for as long as she did, that she painted the end of the relationship in a way that might not have been totally accurate. But the problem is that if Hardwick can now veritably dispute that part of the story, which is actually kind of irrelevant to the heart of it, it'll still muddy the waters because people are always looking for inconsistencies in every #metoo moment.

I'm friends with someone in an emotionally abusive relationship and she desperately wants to have the strength to end it, but she doesn't, because she loves the guy for some reason. Month after month she says "this is the final straw, I'm kicking him out" etc. etc. and it never happens. I'm completely sympathetic if Dykstra deeply wanted to end it but couldn't.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
It was always going to be incredibly messy, honestly. But yeah, now that Hardwick has let this stuff out (since it was obviously him), the chances of it getting really bad really FAST just went up to about 100%.

If she has proof, I don't see any way that it doesn't come out now. Whether it's an official release to shut people up, a leak or a "leak."

This is now going to be a war of words/evidence/TMZing.
 

ZattMurdock

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,333
Earth 616
If Hardwick has evidence that she lied in her story, this whole thing is going to become incredibly fucking messy.
I'd advise to all people to actually read the TMZ article. If anything, Hardwick comes out looking even worse with this leak, not better. Nothing there shows that she "lied" about anything. It's basically Hardwick playing the victim card and an ex-girlfriend wanting to get back to her ex-boyfriend. That doesn't invalidate her abuse claims NEITHER the evidence of blacklisting.

If she has proof, I don't see any way that it doesn't come out now. Whether it's an official release to shut people up, a leak or a "leak."

This is now going to be a war of words/evidence/TMZing.



Nah.
 

Volimar

volunteer forum janitor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,613
The truth about abusive relationships is that victims often crave and desire the approval of the abuser. Even if she knew he was bad for her, there were definitely times where she wanted him back. I think that's an embarrassing thing for some people, and hard for them to admit. I believe this is a shitty ploy from Chris, and that he probably did abuse her emotionally, but I also don't think it's hard to believe she may have fibbed a bit with how the relationship ended.


I think this might be close to the truth especially taking into account the age difference.
 

pirata

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,411
Just finding out about this. Liked @/Midnight on Comedy Central a lot, but damn does Chris sound like this secret control freak. People shouldn't treat each other like that.


EDIT: Really hard to write the name of that show on ResetEra.
 

ZattMurdock

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,333
Earth 616
That... doesn't change what I was trying to say.

Hence the "leak" portion of it. This kind of stuff happens all the time, Zatt. Something stays officially sealed for legal reasons but "leaks" to the public when they know it will help their cause.

Being a lawyer is my day job. I'm not saying that this doesn't happen all the time in cases involving celebrities. What I'm saying is: this is a piss poor attempt from Hardwick's party to sway public's opinion. And doing a pretty poor job mind you, since twitter clearly doesn't seem to be falling over this bullshit. The blacklisting already "leaked" when some parties confirmed the blacklisting of Chloe, it was even linked here on the thread. My point is that Chloe doesn't have any reason to "leak evidence". She has the receipts and it seems obvious by now since at least one reliable party has confirmed the blacklisting. Hardwick is going for the "emotional" side of the Twitter court opinion: she wanted him back, she's the crazy ex-gf. And it isn't sticking. She has no reason to leak anything.

Dykstra has been talking about this - to deaf ears - on her reddit account for some years now:



#MeToo is about abuse in the workplace. Clearly, the abuse has occurred, and Chole's post was never about she enduring sexual harassment by him even though there was elements of that. His abuse was much more insidious and with lasting effects. You can tell from his own post he "leaked" that he tries to guilt her for ending their relationship. His "leak" doesn't put him in a good light whatsoever.
 
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OnPorpoise

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
1,300
It was always going to be incredibly messy, honestly. But yeah, now that Hardwick has let this stuff out (since it was obviously him), the chances of it getting really bad really FAST just went up to about 100%.

That's the truth of it.

Hardwick is done for a good long while regardless of what he releases, but they were in a relationship for three years, Chloe by her own admission wasn't in a good place, who knows what she sent him and what he can use against her.
 
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ZattMurdock

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,333
Earth 616
the last tweet is funny. Harvey is on the local morning show every week here in LA and every time they talk about a story like this he does always seem like he nonchalantly defends the accused. maybe its because he is/was a lawyer but ive noticed that lately

Because of course. I'm so happy to see how social media is not having any of this bullshit. I mean, yeah there're the usual alt-right trolls and bots doing their shit, but in general, people are just not having it.
 

BUNTING1243

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,709
Reading those texts made me feel gross. If you were so convinced yoy were innocent I feel like you would express it through mediums other than leaking text messages to TMZ. Feels pathetic and desperate.
 

Rad Bandolar

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,036
SoCal
Because of course. I'm so happy to see how social media is not having any of this bullshit. I mean, yeah there're the usual alt-right trolls and bots doing their shit, but in general, people are just not having it.

Harvey Levin is a Trump supporter, so defending shitbags and giving them a platform is his passion. The fact that Hardwick couldn't even be arsed to issue even a bullshit apology, but instead doubled down on the crazy ex-girlfriend shit, then leaks texts to TMZ of all places pretty much confirms who and what he is.

A piece of shit. He's a fucking chucklefuck piece of shit. Fuck him.
 

Buckle

Member
Oct 27, 2017
41,166
I'm not sure what he thinks texts of her trying to get back together with him proves.

Her whole story revolved him having a deeply unhealthy psychological hold on Chloe that was destroying her as she was forced to make everything in her life about him.

That she was possibly still psychologically damaged months later and seeking his approval makes it look even worse to me now.
 
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NameUser

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,038
I'm not sure what he thinks texts of her trying to get back together with him proves.

Her whole story revolved him having a deeply unhealthy psychological hold on Chloe that was destroying her as she was forced to make everything in her life about him.

That she was still psychologically damaged months later and seeking his approval makes it look even worse to me now.
Pretty much. Those texts just kinda prove her point and his dumb ass is too old for this. He should've said sorry, coped to some of it, and moved on.
 

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
93,218
Folks still "leaking" texts, everybody knows where they came from and dude is trying to build the narrative that she was a crazy cheater.
 

Skelepuzzle

Member
Apr 17, 2018
6,119
Friendly reminder that this guy was in his fucking 40's and should have worked out any awkward tendencies in his youth. This isn't two teenagers and it doesn't matter how she acted or what she did, he was beyond a grown ass man dating a much younger woman that he wanted to control.

No excuses for this scum bag, this was predatory.
 

Belfast

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,888
We definitely should wait to find out more before passing judgement on either side. And someone being a sex offender does discredit them from commenting on the issue in my opinion.

I've said it before, in other threads, and I'll say it again: who in this thread may also be "discredited" from this discussion for having made unwanted sexual advances or saying inappropriate things to women, at the very least. Is it just because we're nobodies and therefore not worth investigating?

Most men have been brought up in this crucible and the only way out is to continue to self-reflect and ask better of ourselves and our peers. Most of us, wittingly or not, have probably done *something* that has made a woman uncomfortable. Maybe just a shitty joke, maybe more.

Rob may have done something bad in the past, but he was younger, more idiotic perhaps. Let's assume he has become wiser and more awake to the problems around and within him.

The next generation, we can educate and hope for a better future. Those of us living through this right now? I imagine few are truly innocent.
 

ryllix

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
279
I've said it before, in other threads, and I'll say it again: who in this thread may also be "discredited" from this discussion for having made unwanted sexual advances or saying inappropriate things to women, at the very least. Is it just because we're nobodies and therefore not worth investigating?

Most men have been brought up in this crucible and the only way out is to continue to self-reflect and ask better of ourselves and our peers. Most of us, wittingly or not, have probably done *something* that has made a woman uncomfortable. Maybe just a shitty joke, maybe more.

Rob may have done something bad in the past, but he was younger, more idiotic perhaps. Let's assume he has become wiser and more awake to the problems around and within him.

The next generation, we can educate and hope for a better future. Those of us living through this right now? I imagine few are truly innocent.
I would certainly hope most people have not done what her boyfriend did. Sending lude pictures and sexting someone who doesn't want it is pretty terrible. I think most people have done crap things in their life, but hopefully not to that level.

Also, you don't get excused for sexual harrasment because you were younger, and not as wise. Adults are responsible for their actions, and he was a grown man who chose to send pics and texts to someone who didn't want them.
 

New Fang

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,542
I'm not sure what he thinks texts of her trying to get back together with him proves.

Her whole story revolved him having a deeply unhealthy psychological hold on Chloe that was destroying her as she was forced to make everything in her life about him.

That she was possibly still psychologically damaged months later and seeking his approval makes it look even worse to me now.
At the very least I think his long ass text ending the relationship once and for all demonstrates him handling that moment in a graceful and mature way. If we are to believe he's this abusive monster who had sex with her while she cried, you'd expect to see some evidence of that callous person in that long message, but we don't.

I'm not saying we are to believe every word Chris Hardwick says, but it's interesting seeing comments like yours taking this reasonably written text as MORE evidence of him being a monster, despite his words giving no clear indication of that.

As I stated in this thread days ago, I'm inclined to believe women who come forward, but there were some red flags in Chloe's statement to me. This text exchange tracks with some of the thoughts I had reading her words.
 
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