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Mar 10, 2018
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Meanwhile children have been kidnapped from their parents and locked in cages where they get injected with highly deadly drugs.

But muh STAR WARZ
 

MrBadger

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,552
I feel like I need to get into the pandering to angry nerds / men / racists industry. Seems like there is no easier group of people to persuade to give you money.

All I have to give up in return is my soul.

You don't even need a good product. All you have to do is tell them that giving you money would piss off SJW's.
 

SOLDIER

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
11,339
The Last Jedi-haters have really crossed beyond madness at this point. It's delusion. How, even on this forum, there is always someone spewing hatred over Rian Johnson or The Last Jedi at the mere mention of something even remotely connected. It's unhealthy.

That they're even launching a campaign like this is just mind-boggling. Accept that you can't like everything and move on. If anything treat it like a divorce. Don't be the guy who stalks your ex. Accept that things didn't work out and leave Star Wars-fandom. Try getting a more productive outlet.

Every time I try to find a legitimate criticism for the movie that doesn't sound like a lunatic scribbling the wall with their own feces, I fail miserably.

Seriously, it's been nothing but unrestrained hyperbole in the form of "the movie took my childhood to the back of the barn and flogged the skin off my genitals" and similarly brow-raising comments.
 

DarkLordMalik

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,626
It's so weird to me that it's like TLJ haters feel vindicated because Solo bombed when the two films could not have possibly been more different in tone. Did TLJ not make crazy money in spite of the mass hatred and outrage?
It made money but this doesn't mean it didn't had a disappointing run.

The opening of the movie showed it to have the potentail to hit 1.6B easily and it didn't even end up doing 1.4B despite such huge opening.

So it made a lot of money but most of it in the initial hype phase. Once word of mouth and reality set in, it faced some of the harshest drops for a Star Wars movie in history including prequel trilogy.
 

Meows

Member
Oct 28, 2017
6,399
Every time I try to find a legitimate criticism for the movie that doesn't sound like a lunatic scribbling the wall with their own feces, I fail miserably.

Seriously, it's been nothing but unrestrained hyperbole in the form of "the movie took my childhood to the back of the barn and flogged the skin off my genitals" and similarly brow-raising comments.
"Rian Johnson castrated Luke Skywalker!!!"
 

Fevaweva

Member
Oct 30, 2017
6,493
Where are the """"""""""""""""""""""""fans"""""""""""""""""""""""" going to find roughly 250 million dollars?
 

The Unsent

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,439
Luke kills Snoke, Rey is Liam Neeson's granddaughter. Kylo Ren turns Rey into Darth Mistress, Finn becomes Poe's lover, also gets married to Rey. Mecha Maul cameo. Benicio Del Toro is actually Khan in a post credits scene + set up expanded universe.
 

matrix-cat

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,284
I would honestly love to know what their plans are. Reading through the change lists of fan edits and rewrites was some of the best comedy going around back in the weeks after the movie's release. The "no female characters" cut, the one that was going to "remove all artsy shots", the one where Luke was going to kill enough guys to create a literal mountain of corpses that people would have to climb in order to "battle" him. Good times.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
It's so weird to me that it's like TLJ haters feel vindicated because Solo bombed when the two films could not have possibly been more different in tone. Did TLJ not make crazy money in spite of the mass hatred and outrage?

It made crazy money (though obviously down a lot from TFA -- that movie was an event that only happens once in a great while) and was acclaimed by critics.

It only makes sense to attribute a small portion of Solo's performance to The Last Jedi. Its divisiveness perhaps impacted it slightly but that is mainly with the hardcore fan base. General audiences don't think it was an abomination like some fans do.

The release timing is a bigger factor, in my opinion. I believe you can do one film a year but by that, I mean one every 12 months. 5 months is far too soon. Star Wars is not the MCU. Even though they're in the same universe, audiences look at different MCU franchises as their own things. Black Panther is not Spider-Man: Homecoming, which is not Guardians of the Galaxy. There are people who are fans of only Black Panther. There are people who are fans of only Spider-Man. And that is what helps give Avengers box office performance a giant boost.

There are no "fans of Han Solo." There are simply "fans of Star Wars." So you need to make sure that each Star Wars film has a hook that fans and general audiences care about. With Solo, they went with a hook that neither cared about -- a prequel move about Han Solo starring someone who isn't Harrison Ford. Add on top of that: a troubled production that fans where aware of, an out of control budget that made its poor performance even worse, a questionable release date around other summer blockbusters and poor marketing. We know why Solo failed and it's because of Solo.

Those using Solo to push their own anti-TLJ narrative simply aren't being honest.
 

Arkanim94

Member
Oct 27, 2017
14,140
The prequels will always be remembered better
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Oct 29, 2017
4,450
Australia
Hardcore Star Wars fans are so weird.

Star Wars isn't even worth saving. The sooner people realise that the original trilogy are the only decent movies while everything after them is disposable trash the better.
 

modoversus

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,677
México
Every time I try to find a legitimate criticism for the movie that doesn't sound like a lunatic scribbling the wall with their own feces, I fail miserably.

Seriously, it's been nothing but unrestrained hyperbole in the form of "the movie took my childhood to the back of the barn and flogged the skin off my genitals" and similarly brow-raising comments.

Bonus points if said criticism uses the word "respect". Such a red flag.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
The Last Jedi reminds me a lot of Star Trek: Into Darkness. They're both critically acclaimed films that were huge box office hits, but were greatly divisive with the fandom, with many hardcore fans calling them the worst installments in their franchises, and their divisiveness is at least partly blamed for the financial disappointment of the next films in their series (Star Trek: Beyond and Solo.

Interesting analogy but I honestly feel like TLJ is more divisive while fans always seem pretty solid with their dislike of Into Darkness. At least on GAF/Era, from what I've seen.

(I don't understand it myself. I understand it has problems but I thought Into Darkness was great.)
 

Deleted member 5666

user requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
14,753
Bonus points if said criticism uses the word "respect". Such a red flag.
Oh god yes. I havent encountered one single anti-TLJ comment that threw out the word respect that didnt come across like an alt right anti-SJW rant.

I have seen many reasonable anti TLJ views, but never once do that ones that barf out "TLJ didnt respect Luke" fall into that camp
 

Sephzilla

Herald of Stoptimus Crime
Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,493
I'd say the common thread between TLJ and Star Trek Into Darkness is that both movies get more hate than they really deserve. People who say Into Darkness is a Wrath of Khan remake are straight insane.
 

Arkanim94

Member
Oct 27, 2017
14,140
luke should have been a carboard figure of himself that only said phrases taken from the OG trilogy.

it would have been more RESPECTFUL that what we got.
 

SOLDIER

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
11,339
These fucks are literally ruining Star Wars for me.

The next episode is probably going to backpeddle significantly and will just feel like a safe but formulaic movie to "make it up" to the angry fans.

TLJ was literally the most excited I've ever been with a SW movie and the way it beautifully (and tragically) had us looking toward a new generation. It was the Death and Rebirth of the franchise and it had me anticipating what was to come.

And you stupid sacks of shit ruined it for everyone.
 

MrBadger

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,552
Oh god yes. I havent encountered one single anti-TLJ comment that threw out the word respect that didnt come across like an alt right anti-SJW rant.

When someone says TLJ didnt "respect" Luke that is a red flag that you are dealing with a crazy person.

It's so bizarre, like Luke Skywalker was a real guy or a religious figure or something, and this movie dared to have a more flawed version of the character. Also all that rage about unceremoniously killing off a background character from RoTJ who's only notable because he's a meme
 

Village

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,809
This is weird. Like on some level, people wanting to remake or do better versions of films is kind of the fuel for alot of artistic fires. But that tends to result in new peices of art being released. While i'm not aginst the idea of someone remaking something they liked, or didn't like for whatever reason. And I think too many people are focusing on that premise with their criticism. My issue with this whole thing isn't them wanting to remake it, not even the fucking gual to suggest that you even have enough money to try. My issue with this is that it doesn't seem like its coming from a genuine place, no artistic exploration no real reason for wanting to edit this film besides some bizarre fan base gate keeping. And fanbase gatekeeping is something i despise greatly

Hardcore Star Wars fans are so weird.

Star Wars isn't even worth saving. The sooner people realise that the original trilogy are the only decent movies while everything after them is disposable trash the better.

This kinda tbh.

I think super hero movies are the new star wars for a lot of young people, they even had their own space dramas. I don't think starwars is even worth all this, but that's just me
 

WadiumArcadium

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
5,238
UK
These fucks are literally ruining Star Wars for me.

The next episode is probably going to backpeddle significantly and will just feel like a safe but formulaic movie to "make it up" to the angry fans.

TLJ was literally the most excited I've ever been with a SW movie and the way it beautifully (and tragically) had us looking toward a new generation. It was the Death and Rebirth of the franchise and it had me anticipating what was to come.

And you stupid sacks of shit ruined it for everyone.
J.J loved TLJ's script when he first read it and Lucasfilm were really happy with the film, so I don't expect they'll backpeddle.
 

MrNelson

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,356
The movie was fine as it is.

Only thing I would have changed was replacing Vice Admiral Holdo with Ackbar, but that was because I thought it was weird that she was played up as having this long friendship with Leia, but had absolutely no mention in the Original Trilogy, and as far as I can tell was only introduced a few months prior in one of the new EU books.
 

Landy828

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,421
Clemson, SC

Chekhonte

User banned for use of an alt-account
Banned
Oct 31, 2017
1,886
Not really caring about star wars at all I'd love this abomination by committee to get made.
 

EN1GMA

Avenger
Nov 7, 2017
3,284
Let it go and get over it.

I can't wrap my head around TLJ keeping people awake at night.
 

MisterHero

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,934
It would be easier to write an alternative Episode IX instead of redoing an already released movie. I would actually be very interested in a fan movie with Star Wars budget, to be honest.

But okay