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patapon

Banned
Dec 7, 2017
3,614
I feel Detroit is a pretty great example of why games have microtransactions and DLC these days.

Heavy Rain cost €16.7 million to make: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...n-to-make-and-made-sony-more-than-100-million

Detroit: Beyond Human cost €30 million to make: https://sonyreconsidered.com/detroit-become-human-carries-a-37-million-budget-3c39ceddf2b1

However, Detroit's sales are only 20% higher than Heavy Rain's debut.

Detroit did over 1 Million globally in two weeks.

Heavy Rain took 1.5 months to reach the same milestone.

Detroit is QD's fastest selling game by all accounts.

 

Raijinto

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Banned
Oct 28, 2017
10,091
Indeed. Detroit isn't actually doing as well as people here think. It is funny tbh, I saw some people in the Detroit thread saying how great the game was selling but then putting down SoT or SoD2 which are actually doing better.

As an aside, I'm also not expecting Sony to work with them on a 4th game.

Yeah that's what I would've concluded myself too.

Not too surprised or disappointed in this outcome personally.
 

ghostcrew

The Shrouded Ghost
Administrator
Oct 27, 2017
30,433
Weird that, for so many, the takeaway of State of Decay 2 topping the month's NPD chart is "wowow, Days Gone is gonna smash it!".
 

jakob ben-oni

Member
Oct 27, 2017
253
The sad thing is that Detroit is a fantastic game too. The mediocre reviews didnt help.

Hopefully it has legs.

Would be nicee. AAA niche games that dont involve hours and hours of killing are always welcome. The opportunity cost makes me think QD's future isn't as secure as some would think. However, Sony is flush with money, and having odd things like Detroit helps the brand, so I'd bet there will be more from them.
 

Saint-14

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Nov 2, 2017
14,477
I mean that's the question is it not? I have no idea if you're aiming that question at me, which is basically exactly the same one I posed myself to people smarter/more in touch with the market than me.

These sales in the US and the U.K. do not seem great to me, not really. So I do wonder where the greatness is coming from.

Japanese sales are very good IMO.
People are saying it's doing great because it's selling faster than their biggest selling title, it's really not hard to understand, UK result was meh.
But if you spent ten times as much money, assuredly you'd want more growth, right? At some point your costs will exceed your profits with those trends.
For Sony and a game like Detroit? I doubt they expected much from it other than hoping to break even, surely they weren't thinking about Horizon or GoW numbers, Shu even once said a few of their IPs turn out massively successful and pay for the others, it's different for third parties though.
 

lmcfigs

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
12,091
I feel Detroit is a pretty great example of why games have microtransactions and DLC these days.

Heavy Rain cost €16.7 million to make: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...n-to-make-and-made-sony-more-than-100-million

Detroit: Beyond Human cost €30 million to make: https://sonyreconsidered.com/detroit-become-human-carries-a-37-million-budget-3c39ceddf2b1

However, Detroit's sales are only 20% higher than Heavy Rain's debut.
Well Heavy Rain did have DLC didn't it? Maybe Detroit will too.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,154
Mat,
In previous months you've provided a list of best selling games for "dead" platforms; anything for this month? Or did I miss it?
 

AegonSnake

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,566
Weird that, for so many, the takeaway of State of Decay 2 topping the month's NPD chart is "wowow, Days Gone is gonna smash it!".
yep. lets not forget another zombie game flopped earlier this year. and MGS was actually a pretty good game despite the youtube haters and critics trashing it. it was very well received on era.
 

dragonbane

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,590
Germany
I feel Detroit is a pretty great example of why games have microtransactions and DLC these days.

Heavy Rain cost €16.7 million to make: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...n-to-make-and-made-sony-more-than-100-million

Detroit: Beyond Human cost €30 million to make: https://sonyreconsidered.com/detroit-become-human-carries-a-37-million-budget-3c39ceddf2b1

However, Detroit's sales are only 20% higher than Heavy Rain's debut.
Well, you are only looking at the US. Worldwide Detroit sold 1 million copies in 2 weeks where Heavy Rain needed 5 weeks. Digital sales mean those 1 million units also generated higher revenue, there was no digital copy for Heavy Rain. 2 weeks vs. 5 weeks seems like significant improvement no? That's reaching the milestone more than twice as fast + higher revenue, while its budget isn't twice as high as Heavy Rain's.
 
Oct 29, 2017
810
At this point nothing really surprises me any more . SOD2 being #1 was somewhat a shock but I can see some reasons behind that . The sales of these consoles isnt though
 

fiendcode

Member
Oct 26, 2017
24,973
Dark Souls being absent from the top 20 is a surprise. Yes it's a remaster but I see plenty of other remasters there and DS is a big mulimillion franchise now. I wonder how badly the Switch delay hurt it?
 

FlyStarJay

Member
Jan 7, 2018
429
Indeed. Detroit isn't actually doing as well as people here think. It is funny tbh, I saw some people in the Detroit thread saying how great the game was selling but then putting down SoT or SoD2 which are actually doing better.

As an aside, I'm also not expecting Sony to work with them on a 4th game.

But sony might work with them to create a 1st party diverse portfolio...might not be doing well but maybe sony had a lower expectation
 
Feb 26, 2018
2,753
Indeed. Detroit isn't actually doing as well as people here think. It is funny tbh, I saw some people in the Detroit thread saying how great the game was selling but then putting down SoT or SoD2 which are actually doing better.

As an aside, I'm also not expecting Sony to work with them on a 4th game.

You talking about NPD or WW?
In both cases I'm not surprised. Pretty niche genre, low scores and GoW just released
 

Alandring

Banned
Feb 2, 2018
1,841
Switzerland
Perhaps... FIFA is doing very well. If it really pops I expect it to show up in June data.
We'll see. Thank you !

It is funny tbh, I saw some people in the Detroit thread saying how great the game was selling but then putting down SoT or SoD2 which are actually doing better.
Better in the US or better worldwide ?

As an aside, I'm also not expecting Sony to work with them on a 4th game.
I don't think they will stop an old partnership just before the start of a new gen.
 

lmcfigs

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
12,091
Indeed. Detroit isn't actually doing as well as people here think. It is funny tbh, I saw some people in the Detroit thread saying how great the game was selling but then putting down SoT or SoD2 which are actually doing better.

As an aside, I'm also not expecting Sony to work with them on a 4th game.
Idk if it's putting it down. State of Decay outsold God of War, Detroit and Donkey Kong. It's pretty strange I think considering it's reception and the lack of buzz it's getting on here.
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
18,939
Indeed. Detroit isn't actually doing as well as people here think. It is funny tbh, I saw some people in the Detroit thread saying how great the game was selling but then putting down SoT or SoD2 which are actually doing better.

As an aside, I'm also not expecting Sony to work with them on a 4th game.
Never came across to me as if most people here think it took the world by storm and set fire to the charts. From what I saw a majority of people thought it would flop and it's clearly far from it. Might not be the breakout success Sony was hoping for, but it did still break 1 million in just two weeks, and it's still #3 on NPD so at the very least sounds as if it's off to a great start.
 

Raijinto

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Banned
Oct 28, 2017
10,091
Idk if it's putting it down. State of Decay outsold God of War, Detroit and Donkey Kong. It's pretty strange I think considering it's reception and the lack of buzz it's getting on here.

This is GoW's second month and DKCTF's first 2 days and digital sales are not included. Some pretty big asterisks are those.

And there's a lack of buzz for Detroit on ResetEra? Could've fooled me.
 

dragonbane

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,590
Germany
Indeed. Detroit isn't actually doing as well as people here think. It is funny tbh, I saw some people in the Detroit thread saying how great the game was selling but then putting down SoT or SoD2 which are actually doing better.

As an aside, I'm also not expecting Sony to work with them on a 4th game.
That would be odd considering it is outselling Heavy Rain at the moment selling 1 million units more than twice as fast. Not sure what expectations Sony had, but if they renewed their contract after Beyond which did way worse I don't see them stopping now
 

EBomb

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Oct 25, 2017
464
I am genuinely shocked SoD2 did that well considering how badly received it was.

I think it's possible that the things Game Critics like and dislike aren't reflective of what the market of gamers like and dislike. Technical problems at release and depth of content in a MP centric game still tend to be areas where Critics are out of touch with the market. People like Online Co Op experiences. Good to see game creators understanding this and creating more experiences to match gamers' interests versus critics' interests.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Never came across to me as if most people here think it took the world by storm and set fire to the charts. From what I saw a majority of people thought it would flop and it's clearly far from it. Might not be the breakout success Sony was hoping for, but it did still break 1 million in just two weeks, and it's still #3 on NPD so at the very least sounds as if it's off to a great start.

People are still also buying God of War as well which just came out a month prior.

That behemoth has some thicc legs.
 

severianb

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Nov 9, 2017
957
After the raging success of State of Decay 1 against all odds, (janky game, digital-only) I thought it was a no-brainer to buy Undead Labs and make the sequel AAA. I was very disappointed SoD 2 wasn't.

However, now that SoD 2 is a raging success and newly empowered Phil Spencer bought them, the future looks bright!!!

Now Phil, do the right thing and bring Kinect v4 and WMR to Xbox. It's what the people want.
 

jakob ben-oni

Member
Oct 27, 2017
253
You talking about NPD or WW?
In both cases I'm not surprised. Pretty niche genre, low scores and GoW just released

I wonder what the ceiling is on narrative adventure games. Like if the media didnt enjoy dunking Cage so much, and the game somehow got a 95 MC, would that be like +20% to sales? 100%? Maybe the sales of the first telltale The Walking Dead game would give a clue.

My gut tells me that single player narrative games are highly sensitive to review scores whereas multiplayer and coop kill games are not.
 

huH1678

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,029
Idk if it's putting it down. State of Decay outsold God of War, Detroit and Donkey Kong. It's pretty strange I think considering it's reception and the lack of buzz it's getting on here.

Well State of Decay 1 sold a ton so it already has its diehard fan base, people are really ignoring this point. There also aren't many games like it so this is the only place to get this experience. Its not surprising that people are sleeping on this game.

Also SoT sales are dropping hard, i thought XGP will help prolong game sales, so its only helpful for launch month sales with small trickles of sales? It's in #8 on xbox list, missing in the overall list, and not on the YTD list either.
 
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Deleted member 25128

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Oct 29, 2017
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Gamepass is going to change the industry. Sony slept on PSNow and let MS take the subscription reigns.

Nah, think MS have done well, but with the number of users on PS4, as long as Sony does something in the next 18 months before the next platform, they'll be quids in. Also they are killing it with PSN... thats subscription... so. all good for both as far as I can see.
 

Pariah

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Oct 29, 2017
3,950
Intentionally or not, Detroit became a side order the moment Sony decided to launch it so close after God of War. If they were looking for maximum return, they should have released at another time. Even then, provisional results are better than their previous titles...

It's of course a second line of thinking to the topic on whether they're profitable as a studio or if Sony should keep working with them. Whatever happens, they will find some publisher to work with. It also seems unfair (and hurried) to judge their results based on the first month. This is easily a game that's going to sell very well as soon as its price goes down: or isn't it true that the best seller for May was released at a budget price? The same could be said about other succesful stories throughout the last twelve months.
 

Derrick01

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Oct 25, 2017
7,289
I personally don't think Anthem and Day's Gone have the same target audience. Maybe for some, but not a large enough amount to make a difference.

Both are two totally different types of games.

I'm of the belief that when you have a game that's expected to sell many millions of copies then your audience is essentially "everyone". Sort of like if you're making a hollywood blockbuster you don't release your movie the same weekend that Avengers is releasing as it's going to crush everything. If you have a smaller indie movie then sure you can bet on a small but dedicated audience to make your money back but with a $100 mil+ movie? It'd be suicide. Anthem's going to have all the hype and EA's marketing behind it so if it doesn't get delayed then it'd be wise for Days Gone (and Metro) to find another date.
 

christocolus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Indeed. Detroit isn't actually doing as well as people here think. It is funny tbh, I saw some people in the Detroit thread saying how great the game was selling but then putting down SoT or SoD2 which are actually doing better.

As an aside, I'm also not expecting Sony to work with them on a 4th game.
Too bad. I might be in the minority but I actually enjoy David Cage games. I also happen to believe his games would be a good fit for Game Pass. Could be a bit smaller in scale but episodic.
 

dragonbane

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,590
Germany
In case it wasn't clear, this is a toy example to illustrate how simply selling more is not a sign of a great result, as opposed to being the literal example at hand.
Apparently Heavy Rain ended up generating over 100 million € in revenue (at 2-3 million copies sold), so if Detroit exceeds that it will easily compensate for its higher budget and pretty much fund the next game. Maybe not the kind of increase a major third party publisher would want to see, but it's not a bad result by any means.
 

grosbard

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
767
A couple of thoughts:

  • Game Pass is killing it in terms of helping sales.
  • SOD 2 beating GoW 4 shows me that cinematic single player AAA games are helpful but not a must
  • Game journalists and reviews are certainly not representative of the overall public